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Subject: Reach forum: Have a different view and you'll be reported.

If your not breaking the rules you got nothing to worry about.

  • 08.05.2011 2:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Iggyhopper
You don't have to break the rules to be reported.

Then it is baseless and meaningless.

So why do it?

  • 08.05.2011 2:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: BxR Twister

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: BxR Twister
You had a stupid argument to begin with.

This thread isn't about the one I linked.


Okay, but still while Bungie releases an hour long ViDoc celebrating 20 years you have the audacity to go on the Reach forum to complain about how the game is broken and a failure. You should be ashamed.


But the game is broken and a failure. Bungie releasing a ViDoc in which they insist it's really "the best Halo ever" doesn't change that. It was cringeworthy, actually.

  • 08.05.2011 2:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: Iggyhopper
You don't have to break the rules to be reported.

Then it is baseless and meaningless.

So why do it?
Because this forum has a lot of users and a lot of posts. Users know what the normal posts are, and when someone steps over this imaginary boundary with certain words, phrases, or a style of writing, people can pick up on it (because they can read) and then they say, "Oh, it's one of these guys."

If you want to blame something, blame every other thread that has came up with the same exact scheme. Users get tired of it and then they report it just because of the numerous times they've been burned before. I have to say I can't blame them.

Maybe you should just practice on making these kinds of threads and do so in a way that doesn't makes users want to report you. Then, when you finally do, compare that one with this one. We obviously can't conclude that a user has reported your post after they read it. Maybe they read a couple more replies, then reported you.

[Edited on 08.05.2011 2:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.05.2011 2:31 AM PDT
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I think you bring up a good point in that there is a fundamental problem with the report button: how the user interprets what he's reporting. I'm sure some report simply because they disagree with your opinion. They're wrong. Others interpret your post as, well, a troll post.

I don't think any pinned thread will help. How can you teach someone to distinguish between good or bad intention, when the content produced has the possibility of being exactly the same either way?

In short, I agree with you. It would be nice for something to happen. Until that happens (and I hate to say it), I suggest trying to format posts to be less 'troll-like', if that's even possible. It's going to be hard to beat opening up the possibility of bias and acknowledging how opinion based the subject is like you did in your OP though.

  • 08.05.2011 4:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: BxR Twister

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: BxR Twister
You had a stupid argument to begin with.

This thread isn't about the one I linked.


Okay, but still while Bungie releases an hour long ViDoc celebrating 20 years you have the audacity to go on the Reach forum to complain about how the game is broken and a failure. You should be ashamed.

Okay, I'll bite.

I'm still allowed to have an opinion, regardless if there was a ViDoc or not. I didn't say specifically Reach was a bad game, I said it was a bad Halo game. I seriously doubt you read the thread but I illustrated that point in my replies.

I shouldn't be ashamed. If there weren't any people like me who actively criticize games, then we'd get the same stuff year after year.

I'm sure there is a quote about that, but I'm too lazy to find it.

:)


It's easy to mistake an opinion for mindless hate or trolling when you don't cite your reasoning, which your OP in that other thread did not; all you did was make a list of everything you think is broken.

Without any kind of supporting evidence for each item, yeah, I'd think it's a troll thread, too, trying to incite a flame war between the fans and the haters.

Think about it, what sounds more like a reasonable way to express an idea:

A) "I didn't like the multiplayer maps because [insert a reason that sounds at least halfway logical here]..."

or

B) "THESE MAPS SUCK!"

The OP in your original thread was much closer to B than you may want to admit.

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You looked like a troll. You went to the forum of a game you don't like to cry about how much you don't like it and how a few Bungie staff said it was good(Because it is)What did you expect?

  • 08.05.2011 4:35 AM PDT
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Don't worry. You didn't do anything wrong and that's all that matters. It's a shame though when people report a post that needs no reporting. You're entitled to your own opinion as long as it is in a mature, somewhat productive manor and not flaming and spamming like a 9 year old.

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Posted by: odmichael
Don't worry. You didn't do anything wrong and that's all that matters. It's a shame though when people report a post that needs no reporting. You're entitled to your own opinion as long as it is in a mature, somewhat productive manor and not flaming and spamming like a 9 year old.

  • 08.05.2011 5:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Predator Eagle
If you had elaborated, it would probably be more respected, it was more like a complaint, instead of an opinion.
This.

Go to your thread starting post, jross, click edit, make some quote boxesfor tidyness and explain each of these points:Broken respected canon numerous times.
Broken gameplay.
Broken story.
Broken maps.
Broken multiplayer.
Particuarly the first one. Tell me exactly where the canon has been broken. Don't bother doing them in future posts because I and anyone else won't manually search the thread to read them. Though linked posts may be read by some people.

[Edited on 08.05.2011 6:27 AM PDT]

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Your thread was reported because it was just you bashing the game. Don't tell me to read the rest of the thread to find your arguments, because they should have been in the OP. But no, all you did was say 'everything is broken, what is wrong with Bungie?'

If your account had been created just a few days ago, you would be labeled as a certifiable troll.

  • 08.05.2011 6:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Blue Jesse
Posted by: Predator Eagle
If you had elaborated, it would probably be more respected, it was more like a complaint, instead of an opinion.
This.

Go to your thread starting post, jross, click edit, make some quote boxesfor tidyness and explain each of these points:Broken respected canon numerous times.
Broken gameplay.
Broken story.
Broken maps.
Broken multiplayer.
Particuarly the first one. Tell me exactly where the canon has been broken. Don't bother doing them in future posts because I and anyone else won't manually search the thread to read them. Though linked posts may be read by some people.

It has already been reported. No real use to change it now.

Though I will address the Canon issues for you. :)

I really hoped that thread wouldn't be the basis of all the replies in this thread. There have been many posts in the past - Which unlike my OP, give specific reasons and evidence for what they're telling - that have been reported for the simple reason that people didn't like what they were reading.

  • 08.05.2011 6:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan999
Your thread was reported because it was just you bashing the game. Don't tell me to read the rest of the thread to find your arguments, because they should have been in the OP. But no, all you did was say 'everything is broken, what is wrong with Bungie?'

If your account had been created just a few days ago, you would be labeled as a certifiable troll.

Not really. I was stating my opinion and when people asked me to explain myself I did throughout the thread.

Leads to better discussion.

  • 08.05.2011 6:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
I really hoped that thread wouldn't be the basis of all the replies in this thread.
If that thread is not the topic of this thread, then there was no point linking to it. You could have just explained what you see happening in the Reach forum. I don't think anyone would have called you a liar.

But either way, your idea about the Reach forum is wrong. As much as I despise that place, posts don't just get reported because they express dislike for the game. If you pay any attention to that forum at all you know that it is mostly populated by people who are there to complain. But when you step into it and make such a bold statement in such a "you suck man!" sort of way, don't expect for people not to look at you like a troll who just wants to cause controversy.

  • 08.05.2011 6:54 AM PDT

Just to clarify, this has been going on since the days of Halo 3 and Halo 2. If you had a different opinion people would mindlessly report you because they didn't like your view of the game.

It also seems that you come off a bit strong with:

I don't get it. Halo Reach has:

Broken respected canon numerous times.
Broken gameplay.
Broken story.
Broken maps.
Broken multiplayer.

Need I go on?


I mean, yeah it's your personal opinion and whatnot, but after the release of the Vidoc it only seems that you're "bashing" them.

There are better ways to create a thread like yours. A more nicer, simpler approach that won't cause users to see you as a prick and they won't report you.

  • 08.05.2011 6:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
when people asked me to explain myself I did throughout the thread.
Doing so in the OP would have helped to avoid pissing people off, which is what leads them to see you as report-worthy.

Posted by: jross1993
Not really. I was stating my opinion
That is fine and good, but is all about the way you state your opinion. There was nothing in your OP that was discussion-worthy. It was just one big complaint about how everything is wrong with the game, and seemingly an accusation of a lack of a sense of reality on Bungie's part.

[Edited on 08.05.2011 7:00 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: jross1993
I really hoped that thread wouldn't be the basis of all the replies in this thread.
If that thread is not the topic of this thread, then there was no point linking to it. You could have just explained what you see happening in the Reach forum. I don't think anyone would have called you a liar.

But either way, your idea about the Reach forum is wrong. As much as I despise that place, posts don't just get reported because they express dislike for the game. If you pay any attention to that forum at all you know that it is mostly populated by people who are there to complain. But when you step into it and make such a bold statement in such a "you suck man!" sort of way, don't expect for people not to look at you like a troll who just wants to cause controversy.

Link was just to show that it happens.

But like I said. It does happen. I've seen threads about how the multiplayer maps in Reach aren't up to scratch with previous games get reported - Even though the OP explained why he felt that way.

I admit, I came off strong in the OP.. But is it not better to get your point out there straight away? I believe it is.

  • 08.05.2011 7:03 AM PDT

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  • 08.05.2011 7:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: jross1993
Not really. I was stating my opinion
That is fine and good, but is all about the way you state your opinion. There was nothing in your OP that was discussion-worthy. It was just one big complaint about how everything is wrong with the game, and seemingly an accusation of a lack of a sense of reality on Bungie's part.


"Maybe I'm just biased, but I consider Reach to be the worst game in the Halo series.

What is your opinion? Do you think that Reach is better than the other Halo games? "

The point of the thread was to see if others thought Reach was better than the other Halo games. Is that not discussion worthy?

  • 08.05.2011 7:05 AM PDT
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Yeah, you were pretty much trolling and deserved every report you got.

  • 08.05.2011 7:09 AM PDT
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They figure that they're their own island and anyone who isn't a conformist practices sedition.

I would not let it go to your head though, most of the kids on the Reach forums are of the Reach-era, and simply have not been here lung enough to understand the rules and other technicalities completely.

  • 08.05.2011 7:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: jross1993
Not really. I was stating my opinion
That is fine and good, but is all about the way you state your opinion. There was nothing in your OP that was discussion-worthy. It was just one big complaint about how everything is wrong with the game, and seemingly an accusation of a lack of a sense of reality on Bungie's part.


"Maybe I'm just biased, but I consider Reach to be the worst game in the Halo series.

What is your opinion? Do you think that Reach is better than the other Halo games? "

The point of the thread was to see if others thought Reach was better than the other Halo games. Is that not discussion worthy?


That's not what got you reported.

While it's a discussion-worthy item as to where people rank Reach compared to the other Halo games, the point is still your list of thing you claim to be broken without citing your reasoning.

That looks like trolling.

That's what gets you reported.

It doesn't matter if you address those points later in the thread; the initial reaction is going to be to look at the first post, see a bunch of mindless bashing for no apparent reason, and click "Report."

If you don't want that to happen, organize your thoughts clearly and state your full opinion, specifically the reasons why you think item-x is broken and item-y sucks.

Asking for discussion and other people's opinions won't get you reported by most users; bashing the game or segments of the game without a logical reason will.

Like someone else in this thread said, "It's not what you say, but how you say it."

  • 08.05.2011 7:33 AM PDT

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