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Subject: Why is Noble team so horrible?

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Blo0dRag3

Third: WHERE THE HELL WERE THE MOTION SENSORS? Oh no, the hud was hidden during the cutscene, he must have turned it off. WHY THE HELL WOULD THERE BE A FUNCTION LIKE THAT? Herpaderp I'm a lower my battlefield awareness.
The Sangheili were crouching. That nullifies the Motion Sensor.

Besides they were not really moving, they just dropped in when they thought it was most effective.

Posted By:F Blo0dRage3

Fourth: Emile was not inside. THE MAN WITH THE MOST EFFECTIVE CQC WEAPON WAS NOT IN CLOSE COMBAT.

There, /rant.


Yeah, that part is a bit sketchy as well.


Emile was guarding the door, ensuring that no Covenant would get inside.

  • 08.09.2011 1:24 PM PDT

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The three zealots ran away, Six could haver handled on on his own, Kat and Carter could have handled the other one and Emile would have taken out the leader. The Zealots had the element of surprise, thats how they got away, plus they did take a prisoner.

Anyway, I like Noble Team, and I don't think that their horrible, there not the only Spartans that died on Reach, nor the only Spartans to suffer tragic deaths.

  • 08.09.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wrong actually... Jorge is large for a Spartan 2. The S3's of Noble team were of similar height to Master Chief.



Actually according to the canon, most Spartan IIs were pretty tall, on par with Jorge's height. This was mainly due to the numerous genetic and biological modifications made during the Spartan II program (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_augmentation_procedure s) one of the modifications specifically boosting human growth hormones.

The Spartan III's however (as far as I can remember) did not undergo the same process and so would have remained around normal human heights.
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Spartan IIIs did indeed go through a bio-augmentation process, but their process did not involve human growth hormones:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Project_CHRYSANTHEMUM

[Edited on 08.09.2011 2:45 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 2:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Why is it that the team that is suppose to be equivalent of a spartan II squad suck so bad?


Since Staten needed to write a 'gritty' story using action-movie stereotypes. Stick with spiked space potatoes Joe. At least when we laugh at them, you can try to pass it off as an attempt at humor.

  • 08.09.2011 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Why is it that the team that is suppose to be equivalent of a spartan II squad suck so bad?


Since Staten needed to write a 'gritty' story using action-movie stereotypes. Stick with spiked space potatoes Joe. At least when we laugh at them, you can try to pass it off as an attempt at humor.


Placid obviously doesn't see the intricacy and detail in the solid Halo story. A true modern masterpiece, really.

  • 08.09.2011 2:34 PM PDT

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Why is it that the team that is suppose to be equivalent of a spartan II squad suck so bad? I mean surely they can't be all that bad. WRONG!!

I would like to first start off by saying not all of them are completely useless. For example Carter.

Lets break down the last cutscene in the level Winter contingency. Kat is looking around the machine while Six searches the body, while Jorge is trying to be human and comfort a women (a so called killing machine trying to be human how ironic), OMG elites jump down. This is where Carter first shines he instantly yelled to his squadmates they were engaged by covenant. Lets see what the rest of Noble does in this situation.


Noble in no way "sucks" they are of the same exact caliber as the SIIs.

Jorge is not trying to comfort her in the part with the Elites, he is trying to calm her down before she hurts herself or does something stupid. And what makes you think that just because someone has no qualms about killing their enemies that they are completely incapable of all human emotion? Contrary to what you asininely believe the Spartans are not inhuman machines devoid of emotion.

Jorge the spartan II who has seen 30 years of action against the covenant and is a killing machine, his first reaction to the threat is to try to protect the civilian. What?! You are a damn killing machine who eats covy for breakfast and you decide to protect the little girl. You could of wrestled at least one of the elites down and killed it with your bear-like hands.

Again you show your lack of understanding of the Spartans, that is exactly what any other Spartan, whether II or III, would have done. And just because Jorge was shielding Sara does not mean he was defenseless and helpless. I'm no expert in combat, but it looked to me from the little glimpse we saw of him as the Elites jumped down that he was in a position where he could easily lash out at the Elites if they had attacked him.

The next part of the cutscene is the first elite running up to try to slash Kat. Her reaction is "I think I will stand here HURR DURR".

Carter's reaction is to quickly save Kat by making her duck away from the Field Marshall's energy sword.


Kat isn't just standing there, she's standing a combat position with her pistol out, we don't know what would have happened because yes, Carter did push her out of the way, I think it's just stupid to assume that she would have remained standing there and gotten slashed up. For all we know she may have been standing her ground and planning to grapple the Elite and try to take him out that way. This is not a case of stupidity on her part, not in fact anyway it might have been, or she had some other response planned than just diving out of the way, in which case Carter would have messed the plan up by shoving her :P

Seeing that the elite has to get out of there because it is outnumbered it makes a break for it. As it does it shoves Noble 6 down. The so called "hyper-lethal vector" gets shoved down by an elite who has weak shields and might I add it does this with one arm. How does a spartan on par with the Master Chief get shoved down by a fleeing elite. Noble 6 don't you weigh half a ton in armor and have the best training in the UNSC? Why would you let the elite shove you aside with ease.

As the field Marshall is fleeing its shields are broken by non other than carter.

The Next Elite picks up Noble Six and attempts to stab the spartan in the face. Six's first reaction is block it. His second reaction to punch it in the face. Six how do you let yourself be picked up by an elite like your some pathetic marine and the best you can do is punch it in the face? You have a damn knife for forerunner's sake!! Both of the elite's arms are occupied leaving you enough time to reach for your knife with your right arm and stab it in the face.


Do you have any idea how strong the Elites actually are and how hard it is to stop a very quickly moving foe in close quarters once they've gotten going? Obviously you don't. There is nothing at all odd about an Elite, a Zealot no less, one of the very best the Elites can be, knocking Six to the ground. Plus it's also all about how you're shoving someone, if you have momentum (like the Elite did) and come at someone from a lower position it's actually rather simple to knock them off their feet. And contrary to what you seem to think Elites are all just as if not a bit stronger than Spartans are.

Ok, first off, the Elite is not picking Six up, maybe pulling her forward, IE pulling her up to something similar to a sitting position, but the Zealot is not picking her all the way up.

What's easier to do when faced with a homicidal alien that's about to punch your face in with a bladed weapon? Swat the arm with the wrist dagger aside and then punch it? Or swat the arm aside and then take a couple more precious seconds and pull your knife out potentially giving your foe, who might I add is on top of you and has the better positioning, time to bring his weapon back around on you? Obviously you're going to go with the first one because then your enemy is stunned for even longer giving you the chance to either push him off of you, or give you time to go for your knife or some other handy weapon.

Here is where Emile fails. The field marshal with no shields whatsoever turns the corner and guess what it does. It flies by Emile who has a shotgun and is facing an elite with no shields at a close distance. Emile how the hell do you not kill the elite?! It was almost dead! Even one shot from your shotgun would have been enough to severely cripple it if not kill it.

And how, pray tell, do you know that the Field Marshal's shields had not recharged by the time he reached Emile? Given the amount of time it took for the shields to return to the Zealot that had attacked Six, there is plenty of time for the Field Marshal's shields to have come back. Not to mention it is not the easiest thing to hit an enemy charging straight at you with a sword, even for a Spartan. And we're not talking gameplay charging here, this Elite would be running at top speed around a tight corner, most likely as Emile is also coming around it to try and come to help out the rest of Noble or head off the enemy Carter said was coming out.

Carter comes in to save the day and kick the elite off of Six and Kat shoots the elites shields down. Carter decides to let the zealot crawl away while he still has ammo in his assault rifle. Why y no kill zealot Carter?!

Six gets his assault rifle thanks to Carter again and the two zealots grab the injured marine and hold him hostage. Only one of the Zealots is armed and the other has no shields left (they just start to charge as The spartans stand there).

If I was that Marine and my last moments of life were me being held hostage as a full team of spartans just stand there and not lift a finger to help I would have rage quiet life right there. I could of done a better job myself by just pulling a pin on my frag grenade and taking the squid faces with me to hell!!

Tl;DR: Noble team you are just terrible. I am glad you all died save for Jun. That cutscene said everything I needed to know. How you couldn't even handle 3 zealots, even while two of them you broke shields on and could of finished in a heart beat but didn't is beyond me.


Ok, you can clearly see Carter running forward to deal with the two Zealots after kicking the one off of Six, he can't start firing immediately after getting Six back in fight because she's in his line of fire, so he has to go forward and around her. By that time of course the two Elites are hiding behind their hostage. And what makes you think only one of the Zealots is armed? I never saw anything to indicate that. And not to mention that it would be the height of foolishness on the Zealot's part to not have a weapon on hand other than the energy daggers he has in the wrists of his armor.

  • 08.09.2011 3:07 PM PDT

Jorge realized that a Human life is worth dying for. He rationalized that the Spartans' lives weren't true Human lives.

He risked himself, and his team, to save a single human girl. The emotion of this cutscene was far greater than any other in the game. Jorge was a TRUE character, one with a bit of backstory, with personality.

Jorge is a Human under all that armor, he is NOT a mindless killing machine with no emotion, story, or personality *cough*Emile*cough* He [Jorge] is mt personal favorite character in reach.

The overall story of Jorge was amazing. It really is a pity that the story was so short. Noble team died too quickly I think. There weren't enough missions to really convey the whole story. Jorge sacrificed himself for his planet -his home- he died thinking he saved the entire planet and won the (planetary) war. while not 30 seconds after he died, an enitre Covenant fleet came. This cutscene [Jorge's death scene] was my favorite in the game.



When I read your post, all I saw was

"there wusnt enuff acshun in reech and jorge is dum cuz he only saves peeple not kill peeple and kat is dum and emile is cool cuz he has a skull and cartur is cool cuz he is shoot gun at aleens"

[Edited on 08.09.2011 4:07 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 4:04 PM PDT

You sir, are a troll. You are also a poor excuse for a Halo fan.

  • 08.09.2011 4:16 PM PDT

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  • 08.09.2011 4:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Blo0dRag3

Third: WHERE THE HELL WERE THE MOTION SENSORS? Oh no, the hud was hidden during the cutscene, he must have turned it off. WHY THE HELL WOULD THERE BE A FUNCTION LIKE THAT? Herpaderp I'm a lower my battlefield awareness.
The Sangheili were crouching. That nullifies the Motion Sensor.

Besides they were not really moving, they just dropped in when they thought it was most effective.

Posted By:F Blo0dRage3

Fourth: Emile was not inside. THE MAN WITH THE MOST EFFECTIVE CQC WEAPON WAS NOT IN CLOSE COMBAT.

There, /rant.


Yeah, that part is a bit sketchy as well.


Emile was guarding the door, ensuring that no Covenant would get inside.


Post Jorge up there. Anything that tries to bust it's way in gets mowed down by that 70 caliber light machine gun Jorge carries around.

  • 08.09.2011 4:38 PM PDT
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Everyone keeps talking about SIII's compared to SII's. And a very popular poll is MC vs Noble Team. I didn't think there was a whole lot of difference between the two, but I do know that SII's may be genetically a little bigger, more agile...etc and possibly better trained? Wouldn't a better poll be just MC vs N6? Or are SII's really that much better?

  • 08.09.2011 6:52 PM PDT


Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER
Everyone keeps talking about SIII's compared to SII's. And a very popular poll is MC vs Noble Team. I didn't think there was a whole lot of difference between the two, but I do know that SII's may be genetically a little bigger, more agile...etc and possibly better trained? Wouldn't a better poll be just MC vs N6? Or are SII's really that much better?


S3's are actually better trained of the pair. S2's just have more experience.

  • 08.09.2011 7:16 PM PDT

S-IIs were genetically superior. Given how much larger the sample size for Halsey to choose from is in 2550, she got the top like... .0005% of all humans in the galaxy.

Take the top 5 athletes on the planet, and those would be the guys that would be spartan-IIs. Some people work hard to achieve great things. Some people are naturally gifted and just do it by nature. Some people have both, those are spartan-IIs.

And greg bear is hinting the the genetic makeup of the S-IIs is even more special than we already thought. He hinted that one of the genetic traits that Halsey found in the spartan-IIs (if you read the data pads then it implies that Halsey had a little assistance with choosing her candidates...though she was not aware of it) traces all the way back to Chakas and/or Riser. It would certainly explain why John magically knew what buttons to press on Halo.

So it's not quite as simple as "they got the same augmentations", they did, but S-IIIs are a bunch of random orphans. S-IIs were physically, genetically, everysinglewayally the best of the best even before they were born.

[Edited on 08.09.2011 7:58 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 7:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER
Everyone keeps talking about SIII's compared to SII's. And a very popular poll is MC vs Noble Team. I didn't think there was a whole lot of difference between the two, but I do know that SII's may be genetically a little bigger, more agile...etc and possibly better trained? Wouldn't a better poll be just MC vs N6? Or are SII's really that much better?


S3's are actually better trained of the pair. S2's just have more experience.

  • 08.09.2011 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wazooty
S-IIs were genetically superior. Given how much larger the sample size for Halsey to choose from is in 2550, she got the top like... .0005% of all humans in the galaxy.

Take the top 5 athletes on the planet, and those would be the guys that would be spartan-IIs. Some people work hard to achieve great things. Some people are naturally gifted and just do it by nature. Some people have both, those are spartan-IIs.

And greg bear is hinting the the genetic makeup of the S-IIs is even more special than we already thought. He hinted that one of the genetic traits that Halsey found in the spartan-IIs (if you read the data pads then it implies that Halsey had a little assistance with choosing her candidates...though she was not aware of it) traces all the way back to Chakas and/or Riser. It would certainly explain why John magically knew what buttons to press on Halo.

So it's not quite as simple as "they got the same augmentations", they did, but S-IIIs are a bunch of random orphans. S-IIs were physically, genetically, everysinglewayally the best of the best even before they were born.


Spartan III's still had genetic parameters, that was the reason they could only train and augment 300-330 at a time, besides, Noble Team were said to have matched the genetic parameters set for the Spartan II program, Kurt himself said so.

  • 08.09.2011 8:00 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wazooty
S-IIs were genetically superior. Given how much larger the sample size for Halsey to choose from is in 2550, she got the top like... .0005% of all humans in the galaxy.

Take the top 5 athletes on the planet, and those would be the guys that would be spartan-IIs. Some people work hard to achieve great things. Some people are naturally gifted and just do it by nature. Some people have both, those are spartan-IIs.

And greg bear is hinting the the genetic makeup of the S-IIs is even more special than we already thought. He hinted that one of the genetic traits that Halsey found in the spartan-IIs (if you read the data pads then it implies that Halsey had a little assistance with choosing her candidates...though she was not aware of it) traces all the way back to Chakas and/or Riser. It would certainly explain why John magically knew what buttons to press on Halo.

So it's not quite as simple as "they got the same augmentations", they did, but S-IIIs are a bunch of random orphans. S-IIs were physically, genetically, everysinglewayally the best of the best even before they were born.


Spartan III's still had genetic parameters, that was the reason they could only train and augment 300-330 at a time, besides, Noble Team were said to have matched the genetic parameters set for the Spartan II program, Kurt himself said so.


Even with the whole "Genetic limits", it doesn't mean Spartan III's suck/are weaker automatically.

People seem to have this idea that the Spartan II's were the *only* humans who matched those limits. Simple truth is, The Spartan III's started with those matching the S2 limits, then expanded until the numbers were filled. Even then, the kids were 'genetically' better then everybody else. They weren't random street orphans plucked from the side of the road.

  • 08.09.2011 8:03 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Wazooty
S-IIs were genetically superior. Given how much larger the sample size for Halsey to choose from is in 2550, she got the top like... .0005% of all humans in the galaxy.

Take the top 5 athletes on the planet, and those would be the guys that would be spartan-IIs. Some people work hard to achieve great things. Some people are naturally gifted and just do it by nature. Some people have both, those are spartan-IIs.

And greg bear is hinting the the genetic makeup of the S-IIs is even more special than we already thought. He hinted that one of the genetic traits that Halsey found in the spartan-IIs (if you read the data pads then it implies that Halsey had a little assistance with choosing her candidates...though she was not aware of it) traces all the way back to Chakas and/or Riser. It would certainly explain why John magically knew what buttons to press on Halo.

So it's not quite as simple as "they got the same augmentations", they did, but S-IIIs are a bunch of random orphans. S-IIs were physically, genetically, everysinglewayally the best of the best even before they were born.


Spartan III's still had genetic parameters, that was the reason they could only train and augment 300-330 at a time, besides, Noble Team were said to have matched the genetic parameters set for the Spartan II program, Kurt himself said so.


I think the 300 was budget mostly. But yes to the noble team thing. Kurt chose to give noble team real mjolnir armor and use them like an S-II team because "even she would have chosen them".

  • 08.09.2011 8:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

They weren't random street orphans plucked from the side of the road.


Uh, pretty much yes they were.

  • 08.09.2011 8:13 PM PDT

Walk by faith. Dude. Not by sight.

Noble Team is fine.

  • 08.09.2011 8:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

They weren't random street orphans plucked from the side of the road.


Uh, pretty much yes they were.


Beta was projected to produce 1000 soldiers. However, even using expanded selection criteria the number of candidates found with suitable genetic characteristics made this impossible.

Um, no they weren't.

Edit: Yes they were Orphans, but there was still selection factor and careful choosing. They didn't just walk down the street and at a whim pick kids.

[Edited on 08.09.2011 8:23 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 8:21 PM PDT

Im about to make you look like a fool
1. Jorge
Yes Spartans are supposed to destroy covenant in the blink of an eye, but they are human, as said in Ghost of Onyx they decided "(NOT)" to make Spartans mindless brutes. This argument about Jorge is stupid because your taking a human and taking a humans key feature away. I hope you don't have a girl friend, if you were a spartan, sounds like you would protect her (SIKE)

2. Carter
He saves Kat big whoop. He is using what Jorge did, he "(CARES)" about his team and values others lives

3. Kat
another stupid argument, couldnt move fast enough (ANSWERED)

4. Noble 6
cant really tell how he was pinned down, his knife could have been covered for all we know. If you were pinned down would you punch that elite in the face or sit their looking at him

5. Emile
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS, COULD HAVE BEEN INVISIBLE OR KNOCKED EMILE DOWN TOO, you cant assume that Emile looked at him and said bye

6. The Marine
he was in a pinned hostage shield hovering above ground, no grenades or weapons, he tried struggling but elites are to damn strong. that's next

7. The Elites
well first to say elites, believe it or not, are still stronger then Spartans so it is believable for them to hold noble 6 and the marine in pinned positions, oh need i mention faster, so he could have ran passed Emile and knocked him down, like stated earlier, but no one knows.

well it seems to me you don't value human life and clearly don't know the enemy, go back to boot camp and try to learn the basics again

  • 08.09.2011 8:53 PM PDT

Ignoring all the obvious flaws in AI programming in actual gameplay and focusing on the characters themselves, I think Noble team is great. Jorge is a killing machine, but he obviously wants to retain some of his human characteristics. He's slightly ashamed of what he's become as shown by his defensiveness in his exchange with Emile after the fight. Elites are just as strong as spartans, so one pushing over noble six is not that big of a deal. Also drawing the knife takes time and when facing a zealot class, you want to act as quickly as possible. If i were in his position, I would have punched him too. The elite probably used his active camo to slip by Emile, and even if he didn't, he's a zealot and he's damn good. And the fact that you value killing the enemy over saving civilians is quite disturbing, and I hope you never get a job in the military for the sake of all the innocent people you'd be willing to sacrifice. Oh and for Kat just standing there, I think that was just something the writers used to demonstrate Carter's care for his team by giving him a chance to save her. She was preoccupied with technical stuff anyways, and even spartans hesitate sometimes when ambushed. As demonstrated by Jorge, they are killing machines, but they are still human. Except maybe Emile. That's why I think it's fitting that they never show his face. If you asked the question, "why is noble team so awesome?" this would be your answer.

  • 08.09.2011 8:58 PM PDT

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The OP actually makes some very good points.

The only two somewhat competent members in that cutscene were Jorge and Carter. Jorge displayed his uber Spartan like reflexes by dodging a quick strike by an energy sword and protecting the civilian, whereas Carter quickly relayed information and saved Noble Six's life.

Six should have been able to take care of that zealot. There is no excuse of Spartan II vs Spartan III, Noble Team consists of equally trained members as a Spartan II, and probably just as constricted gene pool wise.

  • 08.09.2011 9:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
The next part of the cutscene is the first elite running up to try to slash Kat. Her reaction is "I think I will stand here HURR DURR".

Lmfao!!!!

  • 08.09.2011 10:11 PM PDT