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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Why is it that the team that is suppose to be equivalent of a spartan II squad suck so bad? I mean surely they can't be all that bad. WRONG!!
I would like to first start off by saying not all of them are completely useless. For example Carter.
Lets break down the last cutscene in the level Winter contingency. Kat is looking around the machine while Six searches the body, while Jorge is trying to be human and comfort a women (a so called killing machine trying to be human how ironic), OMG elites jump down. This is where Carter first shines he instantly yelled to his squadmates they were engaged by covenant. Lets see what the rest of Noble does in this situation.
Noble in no way "sucks" they are of the same exact caliber as the SIIs.
Jorge is not trying to comfort her in the part with the Elites, he is trying to calm her down before she hurts herself or does something stupid. And what makes you think that just because someone has no qualms about killing their enemies that they are completely incapable of all human emotion? Contrary to what you asininely believe the Spartans are not inhuman machines devoid of emotion.
Jorge the spartan II who has seen 30 years of action against the covenant and is a killing machine, his first reaction to the threat is to try to protect the civilian. What?! You are a damn killing machine who eats covy for breakfast and you decide to protect the little girl. You could of wrestled at least one of the elites down and killed it with your bear-like hands.
Again you show your lack of understanding of the Spartans, that is exactly what any other Spartan, whether II or III, would have done. And just because Jorge was shielding Sara does not mean he was defenseless and helpless. I'm no expert in combat, but it looked to me from the little glimpse we saw of him as the Elites jumped down that he was in a position where he could easily lash out at the Elites if they had attacked him.
The next part of the cutscene is the first elite running up to try to slash Kat. Her reaction is "I think I will stand here HURR DURR".
Carter's reaction is to quickly save Kat by making her duck away from the Field Marshall's energy sword.
Kat isn't just standing there, she's standing a combat position with her pistol out, we don't know what would have happened because yes, Carter did push her out of the way, I think it's just stupid to assume that she would have remained standing there and gotten slashed up. For all we know she may have been standing her ground and planning to grapple the Elite and try to take him out that way. This is not a case of stupidity on her part, not in fact anyway it might have been, or she had some other response planned than just diving out of the way, in which case Carter would have messed the plan up by shoving her :P
Seeing that the elite has to get out of there because it is outnumbered it makes a break for it. As it does it shoves Noble 6 down. The so called "hyper-lethal vector" gets shoved down by an elite who has weak shields and might I add it does this with one arm. How does a spartan on par with the Master Chief get shoved down by a fleeing elite. Noble 6 don't you weigh half a ton in armor and have the best training in the UNSC? Why would you let the elite shove you aside with ease.
As the field Marshall is fleeing its shields are broken by non other than carter.
The Next Elite picks up Noble Six and attempts to stab the spartan in the face. Six's first reaction is block it. His second reaction to punch it in the face. Six how do you let yourself be picked up by an elite like your some pathetic marine and the best you can do is punch it in the face? You have a damn knife for forerunner's sake!! Both of the elite's arms are occupied leaving you enough time to reach for your knife with your right arm and stab it in the face.
Do you have any idea how strong the Elites actually are and how hard it is to stop a very quickly moving foe in close quarters once they've gotten going? Obviously you don't. There is nothing at all odd about an Elite, a Zealot no less, one of the very best the Elites can be, knocking Six to the ground. Plus it's also all about how you're shoving someone, if you have momentum (like the Elite did) and come at someone from a lower position it's actually rather simple to knock them off their feet. And contrary to what you seem to think Elites are all just as if not a bit stronger than Spartans are.
Ok, first off, the Elite is not picking Six up, maybe pulling her forward, IE pulling her up to something similar to a sitting position, but the Zealot is not picking her all the way up.
What's easier to do when faced with a homicidal alien that's about to punch your face in with a bladed weapon? Swat the arm with the wrist dagger aside and then punch it? Or swat the arm aside and then take a couple more precious seconds and pull your knife out potentially giving your foe, who might I add is on top of you and has the better positioning, time to bring his weapon back around on you? Obviously you're going to go with the first one because then your enemy is stunned for even longer giving you the chance to either push him off of you, or give you time to go for your knife or some other handy weapon.
Here is where Emile fails. The field marshal with no shields whatsoever turns the corner and guess what it does. It flies by Emile who has a shotgun and is facing an elite with no shields at a close distance. Emile how the hell do you not kill the elite?! It was almost dead! Even one shot from your shotgun would have been enough to severely cripple it if not kill it.
And how, pray tell, do you know that the Field Marshal's shields had not recharged by the time he reached Emile? Given the amount of time it took for the shields to return to the Zealot that had attacked Six, there is plenty of time for the Field Marshal's shields to have come back. Not to mention it is not the easiest thing to hit an enemy charging straight at you with a sword, even for a Spartan. And we're not talking gameplay charging here, this Elite would be running at top speed around a tight corner, most likely as Emile is also coming around it to try and come to help out the rest of Noble or head off the enemy Carter said was coming out.
Carter comes in to save the day and kick the elite off of Six and Kat shoots the elites shields down. Carter decides to let the zealot crawl away while he still has ammo in his assault rifle. Why y no kill zealot Carter?!
Six gets his assault rifle thanks to Carter again and the two zealots grab the injured marine and hold him hostage. Only one of the Zealots is armed and the other has no shields left (they just start to charge as The spartans stand there).
If I was that Marine and my last moments of life were me being held hostage as a full team of spartans just stand there and not lift a finger to help I would have rage quiet life right there. I could of done a better job myself by just pulling a pin on my frag grenade and taking the squid faces with me to hell!!
Tl;DR: Noble team you are just terrible. I am glad you all died save for Jun. That cutscene said everything I needed to know. How you couldn't even handle 3 zealots, even while two of them you broke shields on and could of finished in a heart beat but didn't is beyond me.
Ok, you can clearly see Carter running forward to deal with the two Zealots after kicking the one off of Six, he can't start firing immediately after getting Six back in fight because she's in his line of fire, so he has to go forward and around her. By that time of course the two Elites are hiding behind their hostage. And what makes you think only one of the Zealots is armed? I never saw anything to indicate that. And not to mention that it would be the height of foolishness on the Zealot's part to not have a weapon on hand other than the energy daggers he has in the wrists of his armor.