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Subject: Why is Noble team so horrible?

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N


Six gets his assault rifle thanks to Carter again and the two zealots grab the injured marine and hold him hostage. Only one of the Zealots is armed and the other has no shields left (they just start to charge as The spartans stand there).




Actually the spartans didnt stand there. If any of them fired, they would have shot the marine. The Elite with energy shields down was holding the marine, therefore it would have been stupid to fire. Besides, if the elites all died the story wouldnt have been complete.

And why does everyone like Jorge? Hes my 2nd least fav spartan.

  • 08.09.2011 10:14 PM PDT

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Because Master Chief was'nt there to help them. So they all faild but at the same time died for Reach :)

[Edited on 08.09.2011 10:14 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 10:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Agreed. Noble Team is easily one of the worst things about Reach.

  • 08.09.2011 11:08 PM PDT


Posted by: BLASROYD
Because Master Chief was'nt there to help them. So they all faild but at the same time died for Reach :)


Well there were 22 other master chiefs running around...and most of them died as well.

  • 08.09.2011 11:47 PM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

They can't even kill 3 Zealots as a 6 Spartan team, but Noble six can kill 4 zealots by himself, WTF.

  • 08.10.2011 12:03 AM PDT


Posted by: SteroidKloud
They can't even kill 3 Zealots as a 6 Spartan team, but Noble six can kill 4 zealots by himself, WTF.


Six wasnt exactly ambushed in close quarters.

Also, what we're all forgetting, is that master chief, is master chief. Noble team, clearly isnt. Master chief himself is just a badass. He would have survived that slipspace bomb if he had done it. a testament to his badassery

  • 08.10.2011 4:43 AM PDT

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John 117 had a strong desire to win and succeed at anything he did. Like Cortana says "i DO know how to pick em" He and his team were one of the best groups of Spartan IIs to walk the battlefield.

Noble team was not made up of your average Spartan IIIs that were sent to die on a suicide mission. Noble was handpicked from Alpha and Beta company Spartan IIIs and were given much better armor and equipment than the average disposable Spartan III. Also, Noble did not have the help of a ship-board AI riding shotgun in their suits during the fall of Reach. Cortana helps out John quite a bit through out the series, including increasing his response times.

  • 08.10.2011 6:55 AM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

It's more like Reach is horrible, Noble team is just part of it.

  • 08.10.2011 8:32 AM PDT


Posted by: SteroidKloud
They can't even kill 3 Zealots as a 6 Spartan team, but Noble six can kill 4 zealots by himself, WTF.


Let's see you get ambushed by three Zealots, some of the very best from amongst the Sangheili, and then see how you do. Not to mention they were in close quarters and the Elites had swords.

  • 08.10.2011 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Six isn't on par with the Chief, physically or training wise, she is smaller and presumably lighter for starters. The Chief is of similar stature to Jorge. The Elite is simply much bigger and heavier, mass has it's advantages, there is little Six could do -any martial arts throws would need both hands which are full of assault rifle at the time.

Wrong actually... Jorge is large for a Spartan 2. The S3's of Noble team were of similar height to Master Chief.

To the OP:

A: Jorge ducked because the Elite drew and energy sword, if he had stayed up he would have been cut down.
B: Carter didn't give Kat the chance to dodge, he dive/shoved her as she was drawing her weapon.
C: The zealot did not pick up Six. Where the hell did you get this image of the zealot holding up Six? It grabs him yes, and the simple fact Six stopped a zealot's stab with a SINGLE hand is pretty good. Six then attacks the Elite with the main thing available, punching.
D: Based on shield recharge time from the zealot getting to his feet behind his pal from when it popped... I'd have to say the field marshall's shields were back up when it went past Emile.


actually, the spartans III's of noble team were confirmed as being "not as big" as spartans II's during one of many interviews before reach came out (please don't ask for a link, it might take a while to find it, i think it was marcus lehto who stated it). Jorge is stated at being 7'4'' in armor, in fact every spartan's height given is in armor with the exception of master chief, who is the only spartan to have both his height without armor and in armor given.

Emile and carter in armor are both 6'10'', which makes perfect sense in-game, as they are about a head shorter than jorge who is slightly bigger than master chief. Master chief is stated at being about 6'10''.5 inches without his armor, and 7'2'' in his armor, (the life-size wax-statue of him is 7'2'').

  • 08.10.2011 8:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Stitch0131
John 117 had a strong desire to win and succeed at anything he did. Like Cortana says "i DO know how to pick em" He and his team were one of the best groups of Spartan IIs to walk the battlefield.

Noble team was not made up of your average Spartan IIIs that were sent to die on a suicide mission. Noble was handpicked from Alpha and Beta company Spartan IIIs and were given much better armor and equipment than the average disposable Spartan III. Also, Noble did not have the help of a ship-board AI riding shotgun in their suits during the fall of Reach. Cortana helps out John quite a bit through out the series, including increasing his response times.


This.

  • 08.11.2011 2:01 AM PDT


Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Noble Team sucked!!! Where the -blam!- is my ruthless efficient killers?!


SPARTANS were said to have the best qualities of humanity distilled into them. I highly doubt one of those would be 'ruthless'.

  • 08.11.2011 4:10 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Noble Team sucked!!! Where the -blam!- is my ruthless efficient killers?!


SPARTANS were said to have the best qualities of humanity distilled into them. I highly doubt one of those would be 'ruthless'.


It all depends on their personality and how they developed mentally during training really :/ No Spartan is some ruthless, heartless, merciless killing machine, but I don't think it's impossible that some of the SIIs could have turned out more ruthless than others.

  • 08.11.2011 10:40 AM PDT


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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Noble Team sucked!!! Where the -blam!- is my ruthless efficient killers?!


SPARTANS were said to have the best qualities of humanity distilled into them. I highly doubt one of those would be 'ruthless'.


It all depends on their personality and how they developed mentally during training really :/ No Spartan is some ruthless, heartless, merciless killing machine, but I don't think it's impossible that some of the SIIs could have turned out more ruthless than others.


They should introduce a renegade, straight up @$$hole SPARTAN in one of the future Halo games me thinks, since we haven't seen one in any of the games or read of one in any of the books (unless you count Soren, but he was more or less just angry because of his deformities.), and he could act as an anti hero of sorts.

  • 08.11.2011 8:46 PM PDT

Don't say -blam!- about Jorge, because he has a heart. A girl no older than 20 just lost her father, who was murdered by the covenant. Seeing an elite would most likely put her in shock; turning her into a danger for herself and the team. Do you have any idea how -blam!- big an elite is? Jorge is huge but an elite is still probably taller. Not to mention ARMED. Tacking it would probably end in his death. Kat was surprised and sadly still comprehending the situation when the elite came at her. Which is surprising considering she's the smart one, but she still is very useful throughout the rest of the campaign. When the Elite knocks 6 down there is no time to grab his knife. The best he could do was knock it away for a little. The spartans didn't have a clear shot on the elite dragging the marine away. If was either kill the marine or give him a chance however so small. So the Noble team reacted completely fine to the situation, probably better than you would in their position.

  • 08.11.2011 9:34 PM PDT
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Most cutscenes in this game looked good but made little sense.

The cutscene in question however was one of the worst i have ever seen.

Sure, those zealots were some of the sangheili's finest warriors, but 5 spartans should have dispatched them.

1. If you watch the cutscene you will notice Jorge's head flick up slightly even before the zealots appeared, showing that he knew they were there. He ducked and protected the girl which was about the only thing he could do. But even after the 3 zealots had passed by him, we do not see him until the fight is over, which is rubbish writing. What was he doing, comforting the civilian while his squad mate gets bowled over and almost stabbed through the visor? He could have easily been more involved.

2. Kat's reaction was pathetic. In the 3-5 seconds it took for the elite to swing at jorge and charge her and carter, she only just managed to turn and begin to draw her weapon. Anyone who has read the books knows that spartan reaction time cant even be charted, along with years of training. She should have already been firing on that zealot along with carter and six.

3. Carter reacted well, but id like to know what he was doing when six was on the ground and what the remaining zealot did, because it managed to get over ot the marine. Probably means it blew past him, which is pretty poor again for a spartan, even a 3.

4. noble six and his hyper lethal vector didn't exactly stand out in this performance. I understand him being floored, because by watching that video he had not time to reposition and that zealot was much larger. However, the next zealot who pounced on him he should have killed. He did well in grabbing its wrist, but he could have crushed the zealots bones with his grip right there and didn't. The punch he threw should have also given that sangheili some heavy brain damage and a crushed facial plate/skull. Spartans strength is unprecedented, even a 3. Even a sangheili shouldnt be able to shake that off as if it was a fly on his cheek.

5. Emile should have nuetralised the threat and carters orders made no sense. First of all, why would you position an obvious close quarters specialist at the entrance and not inside at CLOSE QUARTERS. Carters order not to pursue also made zero sense because the facility was already breached and that zealot was a high value target. Emile could not have done anything at the entrance.

Also for the argument about forge killing ripa, the tackle is not as unbelievable as it sounds. Forge was easily 6'5 or more judging by his height comparedf to the spartan 2's who usually average 7'+. Assuming this, he is easily 220+ lbs, muscular etc. That, along with the fight or flight reflex (hugely enhanced strength from adrenaline) makes it believable that e coudl tackle him and pin his arm down with both of his.

  • 08.12.2011 5:33 AM PDT
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Noble Team is a killing machine!

  • 08.12.2011 7:16 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Noble Team sucked!!! Where the -blam!- is my ruthless efficient killers?!


SPARTANS were said to have the best qualities of humanity distilled into them. I highly doubt one of those would be 'ruthless'.


It all depends on their personality and how they developed mentally during training really :/ No Spartan is some ruthless, heartless, merciless killing machine, but I don't think it's impossible that some of the SIIs could have turned out more ruthless than others.


They should introduce a renegade, straight up @$$hole SPARTAN in one of the future Halo games me thinks, since we haven't seen one in any of the games or read of one in any of the books (unless you count Soren, but he was more or less just angry because of his deformities.), and he could act as an anti hero of sorts.


Emile kind of seems to tread that line, at least imo. But yeah, it would definitely be interesting to see. I'm kind of doing that with one of the Spartans in my fanfic, he's the same mold of character as Emile, I guess you could say he's Emile with (hopefully) more and better character development.

  • 08.12.2011 8:32 AM PDT

"killing machine"? if spartams are anything like soilders, their first duty would be to protect

  • 08.12.2011 8:33 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Lord Slade
Agreed. Noble Team is easily one of the worst things about Reach.


Took you quite some time to join in the hate, I was starting to worry.

  • 08.12.2011 10:29 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
*Shrug* The only, and strong only thing would be the pikes. However, those looked like a normal pike and not the honor guard one (would have to look it up).

Oh, definitely. If Ripa hadn't toyed with him, Forge would have died fighting alone. However, I've seen people go "Realistically, Ripa would kill Forge every time!" and I reply with "Um, not true, every time Forge would outsmart Ripa and play to his arrogance, which is why Forge won."
You are correct that Ripa's arrogrance was what got him killed. However, don't you think that it's a little farfetched that Forge would be able to tackle him like that, and then be able to keep fighting after that vicious punch to the stomach? I would think that a blow like that from an Arbiter would be like getting hit by a car.

I could be overestimating Ripa's strength though, and I'd just like your opinion on it.


you are right about the punch, that could have dented a car door.



The only ways he could have surived that punch were:


A: Rippa was toying with him, pulling his punches to prolong the fight and assert his dominace.

B: Perhaps Forge's chest piece was not just loose on the body like normal clothing, instead of being like a vest maybe it was more rigid, so it conducted the punch into the ground. Example

If any thing else had happened, Forge would have been coughing up his lungs while the Arbiter casually strolled off.



As for the tackling... I have no god damn idea how that was possible. I blame the Halo Wars team and their lack of cannonical knowledge.


The Arbiter was withdrawing his energy sword so that he could slash again. (The energy is designed to use these wider, deadlier but harder to recover from swings.) This meant he had his weight was already going backwards and forge just had to apply the right amount of force to tip him over.
Its also helps that forge seems to be a large, fit male with the weight of his friends in his hands.

My friend (Very large) found himself in a similar position to the Arbiter when dueling me the other day, He over committed with his swing and had to withdraw. Instead of wasting my strength by letting my steal blade meet his body, I simply tripped him and held my sword to his throat.... (Although, since he had forgotten to bring chain mail or a plate body to that training session... Giving him a possible cracked rib would have been a good lesson :P)

[Edited on 08.12.2011 1:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2011 1:15 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Lord Slade
Agreed. Noble Team is easily one of the worst things about Reach.


Took you quite some time to join in the hate, I was starting to worry.


I guess he just recovered from being proven wrong about the Arbiter in Legends.

Anyway...


Posted by: Stitch0131
John 117 had a strong desire to win and succeed at anything he did. Like Cortana says "i DO know how to pick em" He and his team were one of the best groups of Spartan IIs to walk the battlefield.


I'll just leave this here. What does a strong desire of win cause?

How does that ONE thing mean the Master Chief will never lose? It's like trying to apply science to luck, it doesn't work.

  • 08.12.2011 1:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Lord Slade
Agreed. Noble Team is easily one of the worst things about Reach.


Took you quite some time to join in the hate, I was starting to worry.


I guess he just recovered from being proven wrong about the Arbiter in Legends.

Anyway...


Posted by: Stitch0131
John 117 had a strong desire to win and succeed at anything he did. Like Cortana says "i DO know how to pick em" He and his team were one of the best groups of Spartan IIs to walk the battlefield.


I'll just leave this here. What does a strong desire of win cause?

How does that ONE thing mean the Master Chief will never lose? It's like trying to apply science to luck, it doesn't work.


If you have two people who are almost identical competing in an event, the one who wants it more will push himself harder and win.

If you see everything as win or lose and refuse to lose, you will push yourself harder than anyone without that attitude. John took that win or nothing attitude to unmeasured amounts and pushed himself harder than any person, even a spartan should.

  • 08.12.2011 1:48 PM PDT

How can you measure that his 'will to win' was greater then EVERYBODY Else's?

Even then, it doesn't make him auto-win as people sound like to me.

  • 08.12.2011 3:22 PM PDT