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Subject: I could easily see Bungie's new game being a different genre

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Posted by: Specter Wolf
I don't think he's saying that they'd all be part of the same universe. I could be as simple as one group working on the new game and the mobile division cranking out an Android OS Bungie app. The teams' sizes and resources would differ pending on priority and such.

This discussion has taken an odd turn into business management.


But they said they were creating a brand new universe. Not new universeS. So one could only assume that, if they were working on multiple games at once,that they would be universally codependent.

All I'm saying is that even with the help of Activision, I think that splitting up your resources like that to make several products is a mistake.

JMHO.

  • 08.07.2011 11:18 PM PDT

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That's why in my own take on the purposed theory would have the different teams just separate departments in the game rather than working on completely different projects. Except for any sort of mobile team. Most likely they would be their own entity and work side by side with other teams as needed.

Still, without really knowing any details at all everything is speculation and probably will be for sometime.

  • 08.07.2011 11:32 PM PDT

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Still, unless it turns out to be a much bigger deal in the long run, i don't see why the need to go out and trademark the names and logos if its just production teams. seems a bit excessive. they could have just as easily called them team Alpha, Beta, etc...

Once again,JMHO.

  • 08.07.2011 11:35 PM PDT

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I was just building on what MURDUR presented, what I do know is that businesses have trademarked things for sillier reasons. If we're going the in-game factions route, there's quite a few. Unless this universe is going to be massive I'd say what they have now may be a bit crowded. Whatever they have in store, it's definitely interesting.

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Still, unless it turns out to be a much bigger deal in the long run, i don't see why the need to go out and trademark the names and logos if its just production teams. seems a bit excessive. they could have just as easily called them team Alpha, Beta, etc...

Once again,JMHO.

Not that unbelieveable, I mean they made a whole other company just for a seperate team.

Not to mention the stuff other companies do.
Rockstar Games
Rockstar North
Rockstar Leeds
Rockstar Japan
Rockstar London
Rockstar Vancouver
Rockstar San Diego
Rockstar Toronto
Rockstar Lincoln
Rockstar New England
Take-Two Licensing
2K Games
Firaxis Games
Irrational Games
2K China
2K Czech
2K Marin
2K Play

All those are just subsidiaries of Take-Two Interactive.

  • 08.07.2011 11:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Specter Wolf
I was just building on what MURDUR presented, what I do know is that businesses have trademarked things for sillier reasons. If we're going the in-game factions route, there's quite a few. Unless this universe is going to be massive I'd say what they have now may be a bit crowded. Whatever they have in store, it's definitely interesting.


I agree it's crowded, and would be silly to have 5 (3 would be refreshing, 4'd be pushing it) factions but I'm just trying to see the pros and cons to each argument and i just happened to see negatives in this situation and realized you were presenting positives. A little friendly opposition is all.

  • 08.07.2011 11:50 PM PDT

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Bungie is MUCH MUCH smaller than Take 2. Let alone some of those subsidiaries.

  • 08.07.2011 11:51 PM PDT

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Ah, Take2. Now there's a company I wish Bungie would partner with. Or that Activison would acquire to fulfill my selfish needs for a new Bungie developed Oni game. Hell, maybe Bungie could purchase back that little piece of them.

Anyway, Bungie is probably merely the size of just one of those subsidiaries. And Bungie West was created back when they were even smaller, so I don't think they're going to split like that. I do think it's an interesting thought though.

  • 08.08.2011 12:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Bungie is MUCH MUCH smaller than Take 2. Let alone some of those subsidiaries.

Well Bungie is rougly 1/10th of Take Two, and Take Two has eighteen companies, so assuming that Take Two has hit the "Top Barrier", the maximum group of people for one team without losing efficiency, then Bungie should at least be splitting up into two different teams at this stage.

Given that Take Two sets the barrier at roughly one hundred and Bungie are slowly going towards the three hundred barrier and assuming that after one hundred people the efficiency of any given team begins to drop then wouldn't it not be likely that Bungie have seperated into four or five different teams?

[Edited on 08.08.2011 12:15 AM PDT]

  • 08.08.2011 12:10 AM PDT

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Okay so I was wrong about the subsidiaries being bigger than bungie but if they have 5 separate groups then thats 60 people a game. If one of them IS an MMO... um... that would be difficult to say the least. If not, well, its still separating the few into fewer. I mean, 300 people is by no means a few but when you compare it to Take Two, it certainly is.

  • 08.08.2011 12:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay so I was wrong about the subsidiaries being bigger than bungie but if they have 5 separate groups then thats 60 people a game. If one of them IS an MMO... um... that would be difficult to say the least. If not, well, its still separating the few into fewer. I mean, 300 people is by no means a few but when you compare it to Take Two, it certainly is.

But Take Two isn't collaboratively working on a single project, that's the point.

Dev teams probably average out to about 60 people, that's all you need to make a game and they don't all need to be working on seperate projects, they're just seperated into teams.

Like take WoW for example, Blizzard probably has different groups of people working on different things, they probably have a team balancing the game, a team working on security, a team working on fixing bugs, a team working on the new expansion, you know a seperated effort working towards a common goal.

Granted most of could just be seen as different divisions of the same team (Well, except for the expansion team), but you get what I'm jabbing at right?


(Also, I just noticed, Blizzard is bloody huge. 4,600 people? Whaaaaa?)

  • 08.08.2011 12:31 AM PDT

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I believe that includes GMs, Billing, and various other customer service departments too.

Almost makes me hope more for Bungie creating an MMO, I'd love to get in hired in their account security department since I have a big background in that.

And if I remember right, Blizzards WoW dev team is huge on it's own.
Posted by: MURDUR 587
(Also, I just noticed, Blizzard is bloody huge. 4,600 people? Whaaaaa?)

  • 08.08.2011 12:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay so I was wrong about the subsidiaries being bigger than bungie but if they have 5 separate groups then thats 60 people a game. If one of them IS an MMO... um... that would be difficult to say the least. If not, well, its still separating the few into fewer. I mean, 300 people is by no means a few but when you compare it to Take Two, it certainly is.

But Take Two isn't collaboratively working on a single project, that's the point.

Dev teams probably average out to about 60 people, that's all you need to make a game and they don't all need to be working on seperate projects, they're just seperated into teams.

Like take WoW for example, Blizzard probably has different groups of people working on different things, they probably have a team balancing the game, a team working on security, a team working on fixing bugs, a team working on the new expansion, you know a seperated effort working towards a common goal.

Granted most of could just be seen as different divisions of the same team (Well, except for the expansion team), but you get what I'm jabbing at right?


(Also, I just noticed, Blizzard is bloody huge. 4,600 people? Whaaaaa?)


Yeah I get it. It just seemed a little ridiculous at first but now that I think about it, 60 people is plenty of people to make a good game. Plus the added help from Activision.

But still, i think it HAS to be more than just dev teams. Another reason I think they're either A) the same game or B) in the same universe is the so called "Destiny Logo" on the left shoulder.

  • 08.08.2011 12:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
But still, i think it HAS to be more than just dev teams. Another reason I think they're either A) the same game or B) in the same universe is the so called "Destiny Logo" on the left shoulder.
They are probably working on the same game/universe yeah, either that or Bungie is renaming themselves/creating a new logo and all those different factions are different subsidaries.
But that's unlikely.

Of course all this theoretical "different dev teams" idea is after all just speculation, even if it does make it's own brand of whacky sense it could turn out to be as far from the reality as possible, at this point though nothing is set in stone, no one can say for sure if the theory is right or if Bungie is making a MMOFPS or really anything that hasn't been officially announced.

It's like SonicJohn's Aerospace thread, it made sense and everything tied together well, we all believed and/or wanted it to be something like what he was suggesting, but it turns out Aerospace was nothing like his theory, no big deal of course, it was a good theory and everything, but it just wasn't right.

The same way SonicJohn's theory wasn't absolute people shouldn't treat the MMOFPS theory as absolute, or any theory as absolute, treat them as what they are, theories.

You can hope it's what is being theorised, even amount significant logical reasoning for that theory, but at the end of the day it's just a theory, and you should take it with a pinch of salt.


And why am I so "speechy" as of recently?

  • 08.08.2011 1:12 AM PDT

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I'm gonna respond a paragraph at a time, sounds easier.

1. I agree, i doubt it has anything to do with a major structural change inside Bungie as a company, but rather a common theme between the teams.

2. I agree nothing is set in stone, but I personally would LIKE an MMOFPS and not an RTS or any other genre (someone suggested a flight simulator... ugh) and so that is the one I'm going to talk about the most. I think some people's tones get misinterpreted from "I like this so I'm going to discuss it" to "I think this is fact so I'm going to discuss it as fact". Follow?

3/4/5. I don't know what SJ's Aerospace thread was on, (only started in the BNet: Comm. thread when the ViDoc was released [sidenote: much cleaner and nicer than the reach forums])but you're absolutely correct, until Bungie says anything specifically pertaining to their game or hints in such a way that it's almost obnoxiously blatantly obviously pointing or suggesting a specific direction or feature or detail, nothing should be considered to be true other than the fact that they are, in fact, making a video game. (that was the longest grammatically sound sentence I think I've ever written)

6. I tend to do that to people... I don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing...

  • 08.08.2011 1:27 AM PDT

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I hope it's an MMO.

  • 08.08.2011 1:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: OMARRCHR
Same here. I want something new, but I don't want it to be too new.


Exactly this.

  • 08.08.2011 1:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: BLAIR223
Posted by: OMARRCHR
Same here. I want something new, but I don't want it to be too new.


Exactly this.


So I'm assuming you would not be a fan of Pimps at Sea: In Space: The RTS or Gnop 2: The Quest for Gnip ?

  • 08.08.2011 1:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
2. I agree nothing is set in stone, but I personally would LIKE an MMOFPS and not an RTS or any other genre (someone suggested a flight simulator... ugh) and so that is the one I'm going to talk about the most. I think some people's tones get misinterpreted from "I like this so I'm going to discuss it" to "I think this is fact so I'm going to discuss it as fact". Follow?

Well it was more the phrasing that irked me,
Posted by: XBL Powrhous
MMOFPS =)

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
MMOFPS.........................

These are the only two comments in the whole thread that just said a genre and nothing else, almost as if it was certain, every other comment said either "I would like" or "It's probably" or "I'm hoping", but not the two comments saying MMOFPS, like it wasn't hopeful thinking but fact.
Of course that's reading too much into a issue of semantics but you get what I'm saying.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
6. I tend to do that to people... I don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing...

I don't think it's you ... I was being a little "Speechy" before our little sidebar.

  • 08.08.2011 1:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587

Once again, I get you. I was kind of just putting forth an option for discussion but I can see how, with the mindset you have coming in, you could misinterpret it as me telling people exactly what it will be as if it was a fact.

But honestly, this does happen a lot on BNet. People start speculating about a Bungie project or something of the sort and then people come in and say things like "why does this topic exist we don't know anything yet you guys are all dumb!". Speculation threads are simply that and are sometimes misconstrued as "I'm predicting this to be [insert project detail here] because I have facts and bla! blah! blah!"

You get my point? I'm not particularly pointing any of this at you just attempting to show you my personal stance on the debate of discussing things without proof or warrant.

  • 08.08.2011 1:46 AM PDT

"Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave." -Shishka

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So I'm assuming you would not be a fan of Pimps at Sea: In Space: The RTS or Gnop 2: The Quest for Gnip ?


Posted by: BLAIR223
Exactly this.

  • 08.08.2011 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: BLAIR223
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So I'm assuming you would not be a fan of Pimps at Sea: In Space: The RTS or Gnop 2: The Quest for Gnip ?


Posted by: BLAIR223
Exactly this.


Awwwh, what kind of Bungie fan are you if you don't want to play Gnop 2: The Quest for Gnip?

  • 08.08.2011 1:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Of course, speculation should always be welcomed, as long as it is still treated as such.

I mean currently the most accepted theory is that it's a multi-platform MMOFPS, and I would be fine with that if people aren't treating it as if it was truth, were concocting other theories instead of following a rumour that was officially denied that is suggesting something that would be very difficult indeed to pull off.

*leaves for a significant period of time to eat*

[Edited on 08.08.2011 2:06 AM PDT]

  • 08.08.2011 2:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDER 587

Yeah I gotcha. And cheers for now.

[Edited on 08.08.2011 2:08 AM PDT]

  • 08.08.2011 2:08 AM PDT

"Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave." -Shishka

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Awwwh, what kind of Bungie fan are you if you don't want to play Gnop 2: The Quest for Gnip?


I happen to be a big Bungie fan. I just don't have any interest in the game.

  • 08.08.2011 2:16 AM PDT