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Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: SIMAN166

Posted by: HeyBlade789
Tha Fall of Reach is one of the pivotal moments of the Halo universe, it makes sense Bungie would want to explore it.
If I want to explore a jungle, I'm not going to burn the trees down to make it easier to get around.

This. Couldn't have said it any better.

  • 08.09.2011 5:06 PM PDT
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Halo 2, truly a flawed diamond.

Sure it didn't have the saved films (despite the plan), forge, and all that fancy stuff, plus there were frustrating glitches and it was plagued with a minority intent on ruining matchmaking.

Sure the campaign also failed to deliver on Master Chief's side. I still remember that 2003 E3 trailer and being mesmerised, playing through the game and thinking "wait, where's that level?" As for the cliffhanger I simply stared at my TV when the credits appeared, mouth slightly open thinking "that's it?"

But from a gameplay perspective Halo 2 was nearly perfect.(thinking about the PP overcharge amongst a few others)

It nailed that perfection between having a large enough skill gap to make it fun from a competitive point of view, but easy enough to pick up and play for new players. There's a reason Halo is now 2nd best to CoD now. The gameplay has gone downhill. The gameplay is the core of your game. Not "technical innovations" no matter how cool to your buyers, or how amazing to fellow developers.

It could of had the lifespan that CS has, or that TF2 will have if MS wasn't so short-sighted and money orientated in their approach to running Xbox Live. The MP wasn't simply a game during Halo 2's time, it was an experience.

  • 08.09.2011 6:02 PM PDT

"At least I'm grateful Bungie's trying!"
-Silas


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: RabidNutCase45
The fans might not agree, but that's not the important part. Bungie brought together what THEY believed made Halo great and put that into one game. A lot of people would disagree (can't please everyone), but that's life.

I still disagreed with the Halo 2 "failing" thing, though. I know that A LOT of cool stuff got cut from Halo 2 and that game was hell to make, but I'd still say it was a success. It was the best title on Xbox Live for THREE YEARS until Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4 came out and it has some of the BEST LEVELS IN VIDEO GAME HISTORY in my opinion (Terminal, Headlong, Turf, Relic, Containment, Delta Halo, and Regret).


I agree 100% with your secound paragraph.
Son I second that notion.

  • 08.09.2011 8:58 PM PDT

It only takes a simple question to change everything.

They were saying that Halo 2 was awful for development, and Halo Reach was great for development.

  • 08.09.2011 9:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Boberson1234
They were saying that Halo 2 was awful for development, and Halo Reach was great for development.


No pain, No gain

  • 08.09.2011 9:07 PM PDT
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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly

bungie has talked before about the infamous halo2 development cycle specifically the crunch which had some dire IRL implications for some employees

  • 08.09.2011 11:18 PM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, what about the one-dimensional characters with no character development? I'd consider that a pretty big flaw. ODST did a perfect job with this. Reach is quite the opposite. Not to mention gameplay flaws like Armor Lock and Bloom...
You don't like the campaign?
Fine, but that's not a flaw, that's a opinion.
You don't like game mechanic A and game mechanic B?
Fine, but again, opinion, not flaw.

Like someone said earlier, this is just a glorified "lolreach" thread.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 12:36 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 12:33 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, what about the one-dimensional characters with no character development? I'd consider that a pretty big flaw. ODST did a perfect job with this. Reach is quite the opposite. Not to mention gameplay flaws like Armor Lock and Bloom...
You don't like the campaign?
Fine, but that's not a flaw, that's a opinion.
You don't like game mechanic A and game mechanic B?
Fine, but again, opinion, not flaw.

Like someone said earlier, this is just a glorified "lolreach" thread.

*rolls eyes*

You're like a broken record. No, no, no. Opinion, opinion, opinion. Not a flaw, not a flaw, not a flaw. Reach is a poor excuse for a Halo game. I already linked you to valid reasons why. I hope you have fun wasting your time playing that piece of s**t of a game. But, if you ever call yourself a true Halo fan, that's laughable. They actually care about their games.

Also, I already said this, I didn't want this to be a "lolreach" thread. YOU, along with many others, turned it into that.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 8:06 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 8:04 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, I already said this, I didn't want this to be a "lolreach" thread.
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I hope you have fun wasting your time playing that piece of s**t of a game.
Of course you didn't ... also, contradicting yourself in the same post, quite impressive.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 8:09 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 8:08 AM PDT
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24 years old.
BA in Politics. MSc in Business Management.
Buyer in Medical Technology Industry.
Music: Ambient, Folk, Alternative.
Interests outside of Halo - Soccer, Philosophy, Movies, Politics, Natural Science, Space, Animation, Gym Freak.

Hopefully in a few years we can hear exactly what Bungie thought of Reach.

  • 08.10.2011 8:27 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Also, I already said this, I didn't want this to be a "lolreach" thread.
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I hope you have fun wasting your time playing that piece of s**t of a game.
Of course you didn't ... also, contradicting yourself in the same post, quite impressive.

Not contradicting myself at all. I said I didn't want this to be a "lolreach" thread, but you and others turned it into that. Wow, being a complete idiot in the same post, yet again...quite impressive.

  • 08.10.2011 8:29 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Not contradicting myself at all. I said I didn't want this to be a "lolreach" thread, but you and others turned it into that. Wow, being a complete idiot in the same post, yet again...quite impressive.
>You say you don't want to make this a lolreach thread
>You make a post essencially saying lolreach because your "flaws" are obviously opinions
>You say it's my fault and apparently I'm the complete idiot

Wut.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 8:36 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 8:33 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

LOL. I have to say things how many times for you to get them? I just said it. I DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE A LOLREACH THREAD. But, YOU AND OTHERS TURNED IT INTO ONE. Do you get it now? So, why don't you kindly shut the hell up and get the fawk off. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Thank you. :)

  • 08.10.2011 8:37 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: dm8ns
Hopefully in a few years we can hear exactly what Bungie thought of Reach.

There's going to be a lot of butthurt Reach fans who don't know a good game if it hit them in the face.

  • 08.10.2011 8:38 AM PDT

I agree with MURDUR 587, most, or if not all, of what you say about reach is your opinion. plus I love reach and think it is a great game.
And what you think is a good game I may not.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 8:40 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 8:39 AM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Halo 2 was the most important game I've ever played. It made gaming endlessly more fun.

It was weird to hear folks from Bungie displeased with aspect of H2. I know their disappointment was limited in scope, but it still surprised me a bit.

  • 08.10.2011 8:52 AM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

sigh.

This forum, -____-

  • 08.10.2011 8:57 AM PDT

AL is legitimately not an opinion. It is just a huge crutch in close combat situations, power weapons, grenades or everything in the entire game (except of course falling off the edge).The character creation was quite poor. You didn't learn much about any of the characters before they had died off and it was difficult to really cry for any of their deaths.

I actually haven't read the thread and just am replying to this last ragy page.

Ah Halo 2. I actually just got the game this year. I only had a chance to play it at a friends house rarely when I was younger. They introduced a back story to how the Arbiter was created, brought in a new entity in the form of the Gravemind who was the backbone to actually stopping the rings from firing. They showed two sides of the story and merged them both into one.

I found it quite brilliant. Yes that last part was opinion.

But anyways to each their own.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 9:01 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 8:57 AM PDT

I once heard an old man say " Years ago, i sold my trumpet for something to eat, and know i know it would be better to die of hunger."

I upload a ton of Halo clips on my YouTube channel, feel free to subscribe.

They said that developing Halo 2 was a fail, probably because they were rushed while doing. They got to make Reach exactly how they wanted to.

  • 08.10.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Reported because it's true. ;)

  • 08.10.2011 9:33 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: Big Vokes
Reported because it's true. ;)

I'm used to my post's being reported because they're true. I never go to the Reach forum, but I decided to have a little fun. I posted a thread opposing Reach. Needless to say, I got the report button spammed by Reach fanboys. After 5 pages, it got locked and I got a warning for "not encouraging discussion." (Even though there was five pages.) But...I digress.

  • 08.10.2011 9:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: pwnageincarnat

Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
They set goals for Halo 2 and didn't reach them. Although the game turned out great and was amazing, to them, it was a failure.

Reach was their biggest game, and they accomplished big things with it. Just because you think Halo: Reach is a total fail, doesn't mean that it is.

You are welcome to your opinion, just so long as you know it's just that. An opinion.

Well even objectively reach is bad. The story was filled with one dimensional undeveloped characters, who went through little to no character development throughout the game. A lack of character development is the signature of a poor story, never mind the inconsistancies reach created with the already established canon from The Fall of Reach book.

They achieved what they wanted to make so i'd say objectivly it was pretty succesful.

  • 08.10.2011 9:38 AM PDT


Posted by: killingfrenzy11

Posted by: pwnageincarnat

Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
They set goals for Halo 2 and didn't reach them. Although the game turned out great and was amazing, to them, it was a failure.

Reach was their biggest game, and they accomplished big things with it. Just because you think Halo: Reach is a total fail, doesn't mean that it is.

You are welcome to your opinion, just so long as you know it's just that. An opinion.

Well even objectively reach is bad. The story was filled with one dimensional undeveloped characters, who went through little to no character development throughout the game. A lack of character development is the signature of a poor story, never mind the inconsistancies reach created with the already established canon from The Fall of Reach book.

They achieved what they wanted to make so i'd say objectivly it was pretty succesful.


So they wanted to release a halo game that suffers from abundant framerate issues? I highly doubt that.

  • 08.10.2011 10:37 AM PDT

Oly Oly Oxen Free

I've never understood why people hate on halo 2... i liked it.

  • 08.10.2011 11:19 AM PDT