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Subject: What defines a political thread?

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It's a lot easier to see how it is political if you break the word down and look at it's roots. The base word is politics. Poly, a Latin root meaning many and tic, meaning a blood sucking bug. Oh wait. . .Posted by: All of humanity
Why, how is it political?
Posted by: dfisch5
I agree completely they are hardly different at all. The 1st topic should definitely be locked

  • 08.08.2011 8:24 PM PDT
Subject: What defines a political thread? Two Standards?

We need a madness to the method!

I don't like topics which beg for flaming.

And I'm pretty sure that's the basis of the "no religion/political" rule. Maybe that's what the moderators should be saying instead of banning broad topics. The Flood is capable of holding a decent discussion, and we should try to encourage that. But they should smack down deliberate attempts to cause a spitstorm of anger.

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  • 08.08.2011 8:34 PM PDT

It's not camping, it's holding the designated location.

The first link is definitely political, but for some reason it doesn't get locked and if a thread against it pops up then they get locked, not VII Toast for some reason. Lately something has been off about the mods. The first one is political, but the mods leave it and some post in it, but I get warned for answering the community's questions about CEA in the Community forum.

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  • 08.09.2011 8:21 AM PDT

I think the real question is... why would you make a political thread in the first place on these forums? It isn't like you aren't going to get flamed and locked. There are websites you know that actually allow that kind of stuff!

  • 08.09.2011 8:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: AquaBlader
Posted by: Boss of OWNAGE
Political threads are more like "Liberals/Conservatives are wrong!"

This is true, but at the same time, this thread is on the same level as "911 was planned by our government."

If you are talking about the thread i think you are, I saw it and saw (at the time) no reason to lock it. The topic was actually about the documentary/Fiction Loose Change (and conspiracy theories in general). Discussion went fine for most parts. I saw little difference between that and the many "did we actually land on the moon?" threads.

  • 08.09.2011 8:33 AM PDT

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  • 08.09.2011 8:36 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I confess, it is tricky.

Current events, discussions about law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history... on their face, they aren't necessarily political, but since they involve government the claim can be made (and supported) that the discussion is political in nature.

As a follower of current events (usually focused on the illogical, odd, or events that can incite some self-examination) I would have to agree that even topics I create could be seen (by some) as political. But I do make every effort to not let my own slants and bias (I have them, we all do) become the subject of the conversation. I also sometimes have to lock them if my choice of news story is too close for comfort and the members are unable to keep their discussion focused on the apolitical aspects that I was hoping for.

  • 08.09.2011 8:39 AM PDT
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That's why you should stick to making threads about cows.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
I would have to agree that even topics I create could be seen (by some) as political. But I do make every effort to not let my own slants and bias (I have them, we all do) become the subject of the conversation. I also sometimes have to lock them if my choice of news story is too close for comfort and the members are unable to keep their discussion focused on the apolitical aspects that I was hoping for.

  • 08.09.2011 8:43 AM PDT

Whether or not a thread is locked depends on the mod that's viewing it.
It wouldn't hurt to have that rule be a little more specific, though.

  • 08.09.2011 8:44 AM PDT
Subject: What defines a political thread?

Yeah, that whole abortion thread. Not too cool.

  • 08.09.2011 8:48 AM PDT
Subject: What defines a political thread? Two Standards?


Posted by: Recon Number 54
I confess, it is tricky.

Current events, discussions about law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history... on their face, they aren't necessarily political, but since they involve government the claim can be made (and supported) that the discussion is political in nature.


I make threads on news stories about "law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history" all the time, and they're rarely locked. I don't think I've ever been warned or banned because of a news thread I've made.

  • 08.09.2011 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: Recon Number 54
I confess, it is tricky.

Current events, discussions about law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history... on their face, they aren't necessarily political, but since they involve government the claim can be made (and supported) that the discussion is political in nature.


I make threads on news stories about "law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history" all the time, and they're rarely locked. I don't think I've ever been warned or banned because of a news thread I've made.


^^One of the lucky ones.

  • 08.09.2011 8:57 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: Recon Number 54
I confess, it is tricky.

Current events, discussions about law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history... on their face, they aren't necessarily political, but since they involve government the claim can be made (and supported) that the discussion is political in nature.
I make threads on news stories about "law enforcement, about the military, about court cases, even history" all the time, and they're rarely locked. I don't think I've ever been warned or banned because of a news thread I've made.

I make them too, and I frequently get the "You should set a better example" PM's all of the time.

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Whoo.

All the rules are open to interpretation by the moderators, if all the rules were strictly enforced to the letter then every post that's shorter than a paragraph would be banned for spam, I mean what could you say in one sentence that really contributes to the thread?

If I said that I was 5' 3 and turns out I was 5' 4, lying ban.
If I said "I think that happened on a thursday" and it happened on a friday, misleading information ban.
If I said "That's stupid" in reply to someone's post, flaming ban.

The thing with Religious/Political threads, it's all up to the moderators on duty, if they think the thread is ok then they can leave it alone.

The decision to lock a Political/Religious thread isn't "Is this political or religious enough?", it's "How likely is this topic to start a religious/political flame war?" and "How is the conversation proceeding so far?" if the thread had already gotten going.

I mean if I start a thread discussing evolution should it be locked? It's just discussing a scientific theory, it's not really directly religious, there's nothing really wrong with it's existance. But lets say I made the same thread with something along the lines of "I don't think there's a logical person who wouldn't believe in evolution, ha they'd probably believe in a little man in the sky that makes everything magically appear", that would be a thread that needed locking, even though it's on exactly the same issue.

Everything could be considered against the rules if you interpret them in a certain way and everything could be considered religious/political if you put it in a certain context.

Not everything that can fall under a violation of a certain rule should get acted upon, moderators should use their better judgement when it is and when it isn't appropriate to lock a thread, ban someone.


I'm not saying that that thread shouldn't be locked, just that not every rule breaking should be met with immediate action and that not every rule is as black and white as "Political/Not Political".

And thinking about it, if it was you should be banned right now, I mean you're discussing what defines a political thread are you not? So you're essentially discussing politics.

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  • 08.09.2011 9:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587

All the rules are open to interpretation by the moderators, if all the rules were strictly enforced to the letter then every post that's shorter than a paragraph would be banned for spam, I mean what could you say in one sentence that really contributes to the thread?

If I said that I was 5' 3 and turns out I was 5' 4, lying ban.
If I said "I think that happened on a thursday" and it happened on a friday, misleading information ban.
If I said "That's stupid" in reply to someone's post, flaming ban.


That's a lot different from the religious/political threads. I don't think anyone was insinuating we should begin banning for lying, misinforming, or having an opinion.

Posted by: MURDUR 587

The decision to lock a Political/Religious thread isn't "Is this political or religious enough?", it's "How likely is this topic to start a religious/political flame war?" and "How is the conversation proceeding so far?" if the thread had already gotten going.


And if an OP can't look at Toast's thread and not see it would cause a religious/political flamer war even if they don't believe the OP is necessarily political/religious, then...... wow.

Posted by: MURDUR 587

Everything could be considered against the rules if you interpret them in a certain way and everything could be considered religious/political if you put it in a certain context.


Crust is made with yeast. <-- Put that in a political/religious context. :P

Posted by: MURDER 587
Not everything that can fall under a violation of a certain rule should get acted upon, moderators should use their better judgement when it is and when it isn't appropriate to lock a thread, ban someone.


Agreed, wholeheartedly.








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  • 08.09.2011 9:31 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
That's a lot different from the religious/political threads. I don't think anyone was insinuating we should begin banning for lying, misinforming, or having an opinion.
It was insinuating that any thread that could be connected to politics should be locked, no exceptions.

That is like saying people should get banned for lying within the context of that rule.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
And if an OP can't look at Toast's thread and not see it would cause a religious/political flamer war even if they don't believe the OP is necessarily political/religious, then...... wow.
I'm not saying that it couldn't start a flame war, simply that if Yoozel looked through the first twelve pages and didn't see a flame war (I saw his posts roughly at page 13), then political and controversial or not then there really wouldn't be a reason to lock it.

The whole reason for the prohibition of the subjects is that they start flame wars, if a thread could discuss the subject in a at least partially civil manner for twelve pages then there isn't really a reason to lock it, even if it was seen by the moderator as a political discussion.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Crust is made with yeast. <-- Put that in a political/religious context. :P
Challenge Accepted.

You see in that post you was using yeast as a metaphor for god's ability to create life and crust as all living things within this universe. *BAN*

[Edited on 08.09.2011 10:08 AM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 10:03 AM PDT
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"The cradle rocks above an abyss, and common sense tells us that our existence is but a brief crack of light between two eternities of darkness."
-Vladimir Nabokov

You're entirely welcome to report threads which you believe to be violating forum rules. The ninjas aren't perfect and are bound to make occasional mistakes or overlook some rules, so you can help them out a little bit by shedding light on inappropriate threads.

  • 08.09.2011 10:09 AM PDT
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Whoo.

A good example is that rioting thread in the flood forum that's getting traction, that could be seen as a political topic, but does anyone here really think that that thread needs/deserves to be locked?

  • 08.09.2011 10:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Crust is made with yeast. <-- Put that in a political/religious context. :P

Challenge Accepted.

You see in that post you was using yeast as a metaphor for god's ability to create life and crust as all living things within this universe. *BAN*


Okay, here's another one:

That pen is blue.

  • 08.09.2011 10:20 AM PDT
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Whoo.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: MURDUR 587

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Crust is made with yeast. <-- Put that in a political/religious context. :P

Challenge Accepted.

You see in that post you was using yeast as a metaphor for god's ability to create life and crust as all living things within this universe. *BAN*


Okay, here's another one:

That pen is blue.
Blue like the logo of [insert political party who uses primarily the color blue within their logo].

Could have done it better if you picked green ...

[Edited on 08.09.2011 10:25 AM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 10:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: MURDUR 587

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Crust is made with yeast. <-- Put that in a political/religious context. :P

Challenge Accepted.

You see in that post you was using yeast as a metaphor for god's ability to create life and crust as all living things within this universe. *BAN*


Okay, here's another one:

That pen is blue.
Blue like the logo of [insert political party who uses primarily the color blue within their logo].


You... bastard! I even avoided the red because of ties to communism. You're good....

  • 08.09.2011 10:25 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
You... bastard! I even avoided the red because of ties to communism. You're good....
I was actually thinking that if you picked red I would have said the -blam!- party.

  • 08.09.2011 10:27 AM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
It completely sickens me that Yoozel actually commented in the first thread and didn't lock it. -_-"
lol you get sick from a website? Man, you REALLY need thicker skin.

Is this really that difficult a distinction to make?

  • 08.09.2011 10:28 AM PDT

Dating Age

For those looking to vent, get proper advice, or give it to those in need.

It is a rule in need of serious clarification. Obviously if you have a thread along the lines of "Republicans/Democrats are dumb!" or "Obama is a Kenyan socialist!" it should be locked.

Locking threads to do with current affairs is a joke. When the threads about the 2012 election start popping up next year there's no reason to lock them. If there's an idiotic member in that thread trolling away then ban that member.

  • 08.09.2011 1:49 PM PDT

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