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Subject: Alt / Inappropriate Link Prevention Discussion Thread

My ban history is unclean, but I've only been banned for making bad threads. Never spam.

  • 08.08.2011 11:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.


Posted by: ctjl96
My ban history is unclean, but I've only been banned for making bad threads. Never spam.


I have been marked as spamming because of the carpet ban.

It sucks so bad.

The only title I'll probably ever get is an "Age" title, which, unless I'm mistaken, you get regardless of your post history.

[Edited on 08.08.2011 11:24 PM PDT]

  • 08.08.2011 11:22 PM PDT

I'll only get a post-related title, such as Intrepid.

  • 08.08.2011 11:25 PM PDT

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I'm still a strong supported of an IQ test an the time of creation.

  • 08.08.2011 11:25 PM PDT

Lolyeahright. If it had to meet the average IQ margin, BNet would have around 50 members.
Posted by: spartakus14
I'm still a strong supported of an IQ test an the time of creation.

  • 08.08.2011 11:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.


Posted by: spartakus14
I'm still a strong supported of an IQ test an the time of creation.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh my gosh, I would PAY for their reaction, like, "What? The -blam!- is this?"

XD

  • 08.08.2011 11:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
Lolyeahright. If it had to meet the average IQ margin, BNet would have around 50 members.
Posted by: spartakus14
I'm still a strong supported of an IQ test an the time of creation.


And how many of those 50 people do you think would be trolling and spamming to the degree that the Flood has seen in recent weeks?

  • 08.08.2011 11:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.


Posted by: spartakus14

Posted by: ctjl96
Lolyeahright. If it had to meet the average IQ margin, BNet would have around 50 members.
Posted by: spartakus14
I'm still a strong supported of an IQ test an the time of creation.


And how many of those 50 people do you think would be trolling and spamming to the degree that the Flood has seen in recent weeks?


All of them. Why? Because the could, and who's gonna complain?

  • 08.08.2011 11:39 PM PDT

This is hardly getting out of control, people. I view these threads to be more inane and out of control than any shock site troll, or so called spammers. Sure, making an alt is easy, but not everyone wants to take the time to do it. So take solace in that thought alone, and have fun. Stop trying to get attention with your ridiculous threads and shouting at one other with "your idea is stupid waaah" and take a chill pill.

There's no reason to restrict new accounts, and there haven't been any real problems on this site. I myself have had a 'cannot be unseen' moment, but I'm still here, and you don't see me complaining. And I sure as heck wouldn't have stayed long if I had to work my way up to being a full user.

You can choose what threads you click on, the threads you post in, the forums you visit, the posts you ignore, and the people you interact with. Most people don't know this, it seems.


Just do what you came here to do, which I assume is to talk about Bungie games, and trust that the current system in place will do it's best to keep eyesores from popping up too frequently, and staying there.

  • 08.08.2011 11:39 PM PDT

Oho.
None.
Posted by: spartakus14

Posted by: ctjl96
Lolyeahright. If it had to meet the average IQ margin, BNet would have around 50 members.
Posted by: spartakus14
I'm still a strong supported of an IQ test an the time of creation.


And how many of those 50 people do you think would be trolling and spamming to the degree that the Flood has seen in recent weeks?

  • 08.08.2011 11:39 PM PDT

No. The spamming is getting to the point where interaction is complicated in the forums (mainly the Flood, other forums aren't as affected).
Thanks for your two sense, but it was rather arrogant.
Posted by: thebrutenextdoor
This is hardly getting out of control, people. I view these threads to be more inane and out of control than any shock site troll, or so called spammers. Sure, making an alt is easy, but not everyone wants to take the time to do it. So take solace in that thought alone, and have fun. Stop trying to get attention with your ridiculous threads and shouting at one other with "your idea is stupid waaah" and take a chill pill.

There's no reason to restrict new accounts, and there haven't been any real problems on this site. I myself have had a 'cannot be unseen' moment, but I'm still here, and you don't see me complaining. And I sure as heck wouldn't have stayed long if I had to work my way up to being a full user.

You can choose what threads you click on, the threads you post in, the forums you visit, the posts you ignore, and the people you interact with. Most people don't know this, it seems.


Just do what you came here to do, which I assume is to talk about Bungie games, and trust that the current system in place will do it's best to keep eyesores from popping up too frequently, and staying there.

  • 08.08.2011 11:41 PM PDT

He'd have instantly stopped and knelt down, one fist on the ground, hoping to be impervious to the officer's attacks. When this would have failed and he's in the back of the police car, he'd blame his predicament on his friends for not being team players.
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Posted by: ctjl96
No. The spamming is getting to the point where interaction is complicated in the forums (mainly the Flood, other forums aren't as affected).
Thanks for your two sense, but it was rather arrogant.
Posted by: thebrutenextdoor
This is hardly getting out of control, people. I view these threads to be more inane and out of control than any shock site troll, or so called spammers. Sure, making an alt is easy, but not everyone wants to take the time to do it. So take solace in that thought alone, and have fun. Stop trying to get attention with your ridiculous threads and shouting at one other with "your idea is stupid waaah" and take a chill pill.

There's no reason to restrict new accounts, and there haven't been any real problems on this site. I myself have had a 'cannot be unseen' moment, but I'm still here, and you don't see me complaining. And I sure as heck wouldn't have stayed long if I had to work my way up to being a full user.

You can choose what threads you click on, the threads you post in, the forums you visit, the posts you ignore, and the people you interact with. Most people don't know this, it seems.


Just do what you came here to do, which I assume is to talk about Bungie games, and trust that the current system in place will do it's best to keep eyesores from popping up too frequently, and staying there.

I saw no arrogance, only truth. I was on the flood for hours earlier, and out of all the threads I clicked on, I only saw two link spammers, and that was when he got on and started spamming all threads. It's not at the level we need to put restrictions on everything.

  • 08.08.2011 11:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.


Posted by: Boss of OWNAGE
I saw no arrogance, only truth.


Haha! I'll let you figure out why that's funny.

  • 08.08.2011 11:50 PM PDT

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thebrutenextdoor is right though. This is the 3rd or 4th thread about this issue that I've seen, which doe snot include ones I skipped over or didn't see at all, this week. That's more than I've seen shock site links posted in the Flood in the past few days.

All us regular forum users can do is use the system that is in place to help us, as well as ninjas. It hides the post and notifies the ninjas when they are online next. If people choose to look at the hidden post, and then continue to click the link, which in most cases has spammed into the entire post, they should not expect much sympathy.

As much as I hate to admit that an IQ test as a prerequisite is a bad idea, it is. There really isn't a whole lot that can be done about people creating alts. The best thing we can do, other then unplugging our internet, is the be internet smart. We should be expecting things like this on larger forums. Much like being street smart, don't go into the areas that see a lot of this "crime".

Some people say that if we ignore them they will go away. This is wrong. The spammers have created alt accounts already. People need to realize they are going to use these regardless of what happens. They are here to do what they want, ignoring them does nothing.

This topic has been talked about, thought over, improved upon, and it all comes back to using the tools that are in place. Whether it be the tool in your head or the ones integrated into this website.

  • 08.09.2011 12:00 AM PDT

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PSN: Sonic_343

A suggestion of mine would be to prohibit new members from hyperlinking to a website for their first month, and creating named hyperlinks for their first two.

My second suggestion is to block websites such as tinyurl.

/Suggestions.

  • 08.09.2011 12:00 AM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

There's one thing I've noticed that most of these ideas and suggestions have in common, a huge inconvenience on new users. Punishing those who never even have a chance. Hell, some ideas even would punish existing users (anything based on titles). And that's the problem with any discussion like this, most of the time the suggestions are just simply unreasonable.

With that in mind I once created a thread that well that discussed an alternate take on controlling the spam, bad links, trolling, and flaming. It was to actually give you, everyone, the power to control what you saw.

It would incorporate the already existing report system and add an ignore/block list and personal content filtering.

For example once you reported an offended post it would automatically be minimized and hidden from your own personal view like it would be if it was reported multiple times as the system stands now. This would lead to an immediate case of personal satisfaction for the user, seeing that post get hidden.

To expand on these, the system would log the user of the post you reported. Keeping tabs on this user's posting habits. If the system determines this user has become a problem that user's name is submitted to a separate queue for "User Reviews" where the account would be look into with more depth by a moderator who will determine if the user is fit to continue to be a part of the community or not. This would also work along side the existing report queue and ban system, working as a way to catch those little trolls and flamers who always claim are "missed" as it is now.

As for the ignore/block list, it's pretty self explanatory. However I pictured both manual and "automatic" input. Manual is of course where you personally add a name you'd rather not see content from. While the automatic system would be keeping track of those who've you've personally reported, once the number of reports hits a preset thresh hold (set by the system, not the user) that name is then automatically placed in your ignore list.

However, rather than out-right removing the post from view (because I'm against removing content and one for second chances) all posts from these users are just hidden rather than removed, appearing minimized like when they're currently reported enough times.

As for the content filter system, next to each post would simply be a little icon you can click that straight up hides the post without the need to report it. This is is for those kinds of posts you don't want to see while you're on the site, but since they aren't breaking the rules, you can't report them. Literally giving you control of what you do and do not want to see. The system would also track the number of times you've hidden an individual's post and once the that thresh hold is met a popup would occur and ask you if you would like to place the user on your ignore list.

The overall idea what be that the user has direct control over the content they see and the forums wouldn't be as reliant on a moderator always being here. All parts of the system would also work coherently with one another as well, to provide hopefully an enriched experience for the end user.

As before when I posted this, there are probably going to be mixed feelings towards a system like this. As before this is only thought put into text and criticism is welcome. I've heard praise and I've heard people who believe a system like this would hurt discussion here on the site by abuse, in the long run I believe the only one that would be hurt by this system is the end user. As the rest of the forums would be completely unaware of how you use your own power to control your content.

In conclusion I hope my thoughts aren't too jumbled, I'm trying to get this out while the topic is still reliant, so I may have made some mistakes in trying to explain my self. I just hope that I at least have shown there's a way to deal with the problems this thread is about without punishing new, existing, and innocent users.

  • 08.09.2011 12:05 AM PDT
Subject: Making Alts Shouldn't Be So Easy

Yes, I AM just that awesome.


Posted by: spartain ken 15
In other forums I go on, a moderator has to approve your account before it can be used.

It is worth the wait becuase it is like 99.99999999999% troll free.
Actually, this'd probably work, the Pfhorums has this, and I've never seen spam in there.

  • 08.09.2011 12:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: BouncedMr happy

Posted by: spartain ken 15
In other forums I go on, a moderator has to approve your account before it can be used.

It is worth the wait becuase it is like 99.99999999999% troll free.
Actually, this'd probably work, the Pfhorums has this, and I've never seen spam in there.


There has been over 11 million accounts created on this website. Compared to the number of moderators that have been on this site over the years, you're looking at a huge ratio difference. Far to much work for a small team to do. Also, how would this stop people making alts? The only difference is it may delay, but not stop, them from spamming as the moderators have no way of really knowing which ones are alts. Also, this idea doesn't take into account game launch days and the massive influx of new accounts it brings.

  • 08.09.2011 12:11 AM PDT

He'd have instantly stopped and knelt down, one fist on the ground, hoping to be impervious to the officer's attacks. When this would have failed and he's in the back of the police car, he'd blame his predicament on his friends for not being team players.
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Posted by: BouncedMr happy

Posted by: spartain ken 15
In other forums I go on, a moderator has to approve your account before it can be used.

It is worth the wait becuase it is like 99.99999999999% troll free.
Actually, this'd probably work, the Pfhorums has this, and I've never seen spam in there.

We have over 11,000,000 user ID's. With over a thousand being added daily. It's just not practical.

  • 08.09.2011 12:14 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: BLAIR223
Posted by: talon2000
What if you don't have any friends on B.net? How would you join?


Maybe you could request a membership if you have a clean Xbox Live account, i.e. no bans, good service record or something?


LOL I would never be able to get into that.

My ban history is very unclean.
Just like your mother.

  • 08.09.2011 1:00 AM PDT

O-blam!-
Posted by: BadBall3r47
Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: BLAIR223
Posted by: talon2000
What if you don't have any friends on B.net? How would you join?


Maybe you could request a membership if you have a clean Xbox Live account, i.e. no bans, good service record or something?


LOL I would never be able to get into that.

My ban history is very unclean.
Just like your mother.

  • 08.09.2011 1:05 AM PDT
Subject: Alt / Inappropriate Link Prevention Discussion Thread

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
It's just a random thought, being put into the crucible of the forums for examination, criticism, testing, challenging, being taken apart and put back together.

But think about the title whores we have. Imagine a new level/type of accomplishment. Recruiting, orienting and training new members who comply with rules and even renew the cycle of sponsorship. Imagine a scoreboard or tally page listing your "trainees" and their trainees. A vast pyramid of your effect on growing and improving the community.

I like it. A pyramid scheme, except we aren't preying on people's greed, we're preying on their obsession with titles and fancy nicknames.

EDIT: I'm being serious. Recon I think you ought to post these thoughts as a separate thread and see what kind of feedback you get.

[Edited on 08.09.2011 2:14 AM PDT]

  • 08.09.2011 2:13 AM PDT
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Just remove everyone who joined after 2004 and don't allow any new members.

  • 08.09.2011 3:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Skibur
Just remove everyone who joined after 2004 and don't allow any new members.
Worst idea, ever.

  • 08.09.2011 3:54 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: Skibur
Just remove everyone who joined after 2004 and don't allow any new members.
Who would you act elitist to then?

  • 08.09.2011 4:25 AM PDT