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Subject: Halo 4 Reveal Trailer. The Dissection.

Ok, I see your point there. But what about my second post?

  • 08.10.2011 12:13 PM PDT

"Jumping feet first into hell isn't your job,
making sure it's crowded when you get there is"


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Squal, I posted a little while ago about the "Onyx" theory and they tore me apart about it too, and posted some good reasons behind it that I now realize that the world isn't Onyx. But I am confident that it is a shield world, and if you read Onyx, it mentions that the remaining Spartans and Hasley were taken to a shield world through a portal. So could this be the shield world that they are in also? I believe so. John meeting up with the rest of the crew? That would make an epic story


No, Halsey and the others went through the antechamber portal into the Micro Dyson Sphere. It is a sphere at the core of Onyx encased in a slipspace field of compressed dimensionality, it exists simultaneously in slipspace and in normal space.

In the case of former, it has a surface area many times the size of Earth. In the case of the latter, it is a few meters in diameter.

What we saw John heading towards exceeds "a few meters in diameter".

Why would Mendicant Bias send John to the MDS anyway? He says he's sending John to the Forerunners, Halsey confirms that a scan of the MDS revealed that there were no Forerunners inside the MDS.



Forerunners could have developed some kind of cloaking tech. Or mabye that Mendicant Bias is a corrupted AI like Guilty Spark.

  • 08.10.2011 12:17 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Kyemicals
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Squal, I posted a little while ago about the "Onyx" theory and they tore me apart about it too, and posted some good reasons behind it that I now realize that the world isn't Onyx. But I am confident that it is a shield world, and if you read Onyx, it mentions that the remaining Spartans and Hasley were taken to a shield world through a portal. So could this be the shield world that they are in also? I believe so. John meeting up with the rest of the crew? That would make an epic story


No, Halsey and the others went through the antechamber portal into the Micro Dyson Sphere. It is a sphere at the core of Onyx encased in a slipspace field of compressed dimensionality, it exists simultaneously in slipspace and in normal space.

In the case of former, it has a surface area many times the size of Earth. In the case of the latter, it is a few meters in diameter.

What we saw John heading towards exceeds "a few meters in diameter".

Why would Mendicant Bias send John to the MDS anyway? He says he's sending John to the Forerunners, Halsey confirms that a scan of the MDS revealed that there were no Forerunners inside the MDS.



Forerunners could have developed some kind of cloaking tech. Or mabye that Mendicant Bias is a corrupted AI like Guilty Spark.


You clearly know little about the Halo universe... Mendicant Bias is a metastable AI, he defected to the Flood 100,000 years ago but now wants to atone and was the one keeping John alive on the Ark by leading him to discover the rebuilt Installation 04 and other things. He is working for good now.

What are you talking about with "cloaking tech"?

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ok, I see your point there. But what about my second post?


Your second post makes a lot more sense.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 12:20 PM PDT

"Jumping feet first into hell isn't your job,
making sure it's crowded when you get there is"


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Kyemicals
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Squal, I posted a little while ago about the "Onyx" theory and they tore me apart about it too, and posted some good reasons behind it that I now realize that the world isn't Onyx. But I am confident that it is a shield world, and if you read Onyx, it mentions that the remaining Spartans and Hasley were taken to a shield world through a portal. So could this be the shield world that they are in also? I believe so. John meeting up with the rest of the crew? That would make an epic story


No, Halsey and the others went through the antechamber portal into the Micro Dyson Sphere. It is a sphere at the core of Onyx encased in a slipspace field of compressed dimensionality, it exists simultaneously in slipspace and in normal space.

In the case of former, it has a surface area many times the size of Earth. In the case of the latter, it is a few meters in diameter.

What we saw John heading towards exceeds "a few meters in diameter".

Why would Mendicant Bias send John to the MDS anyway? He says he's sending John to the Forerunners, Halsey confirms that a scan of the MDS revealed that there were no Forerunners inside the MDS.



Forerunners could have developed some kind of cloaking tech. Or mabye that Mendicant Bias is a corrupted AI like Guilty Spark.


You clearly know little about the Halo universe... Mendicant Bias is a metastable AI, he defected to the Flood 100,000 years ago but now wants to atone and was the one keeping John alive on the Ark by leading him to discover the rebuilt Installation 04 and other things. He is working for good now.

What are you talking about with "cloaking tech"?


Ugh.. I'm suggesting he might be corrupted in 4. Thats what this topic is. and as for the cloaking tech, technology that could have prevented Halsey from detecting anything, y'know, like a false scan that replaced the actual one or just a simple device that prevents detection from radar, satellite or anything of the like, including actual searches done by personnel.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 12:27 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 12:26 PM PDT

Your second post makes a lot more sense.

Was that sarcasm?

  • 08.10.2011 12:28 PM PDT

"Jumping feet first into hell isn't your job,
making sure it's crowded when you get there is"

I am also aware that Mendicant Bias could have been destroyed with Installation 00.

  • 08.10.2011 12:30 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Kyemicals
Ugh.. I'm suggesting he might be corrupted in 4. Thats what this topic is.


That's absolutely retarded. So he spent 100,000 years becoming metastable and vowing to help John only to go rampant again? Oh yeah, what a great story that'd make!

/sarcasm

and as for the cloaking tech, technology that could have prevented Halsey from detecting anything, y'know, like a false scan that replaced the actual one or just a simple device that prevents detection from radar, satellite or anything of the like, including actual searches done by personnel.

Why would they do that though? Slipspace field pods are built to withstand nuclear detonations, there's no way anything could happen to the occupant and therefore no reason to have a Baffler/Dazzler to hide them. It's not like the Forerunners counted on the Flood breaching their Shield Worlds.

  • 08.10.2011 12:32 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Your second post makes a lot more sense.

Was that sarcasm?


No, it was not.

  • 08.10.2011 12:33 PM PDT

Well then thank you sir

  • 08.10.2011 12:34 PM PDT

"Jumping feet first into hell isn't your job,
making sure it's crowded when you get there is"


That's absolutely retarded. So he spent 100,000 years becoming metastable and vowing to help John only to go rampant again? Oh yeah, what a great story that'd make!

/sarcasm


Why would they do that though? Slipspace field pods are built to withstand nuclear detonations, there's no way anything could happen to the occupant and therefore no reason to have a Baffler/Dazzler to hide them. It's not like the Forerunners counted on the Flood breaching their Shield Worlds.


Yes, but that 100,000 years wasn't invested in the game, just in books and the like. And theres a likelyhood that he isn't completely metastable and revert back to being corrupted by some event.

Why would the forerunners want to be bothered? If they did survive then it would make sense for them to start rebuilding thier civilization. They wouldn't want any distractions until their full military prowess was achieved again.

[Edited on 08.10.2011 12:46 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 12:45 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Kyemicals
Yes, but that 100,000 years wasn't invested in the game, just in books and the like. And theres a likelyhood that he isn't completely metastable and revert back to being corrupted by some event.


Do you know what metastability is? It's when an AI passes through rampancy and can be said to be a true person. Bias attempted to destroy High Charity by launching the Dreadnaught in 2525 in order to escort humanity to the Ark, when he was on the Ark he told John himself he was going to help him in order to prove he wants to atone.

He will not rever back to rampancy because he has passed that stage. He knows he did wrong, he wants to do right. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around.

Why would the forerunners want to be bothered? If they did survive then it would make sense for them to start rebuilding thier civilization. They wouldn't want any distractions until their full military prowess was achieved again.

No. Once the Flood was dormant they left the Shield Worlds and they all departed from the Orion Arm.

I would also like to point out that they are not a race focused on military, they only used the Warrior-Servants against races who defied their Mantle.

  • 08.10.2011 12:55 PM PDT

"Jumping feet first into hell isn't your job,
making sure it's crowded when you get there is"


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Kyemicals
Yes, but that 100,000 years wasn't invested in the game, just in books and the like. And theres a likelyhood that he isn't completely metastable and revert back to being corrupted by some event.


Do you know what metastability is? It's when an AI passes through rampancy and can be said to be a true person. Bias attempted to destroy High Charity by launching the Dreadnaught in 2525 in order to escort humanity to the Ark, when he was on the Ark he told John himself he was going to help him in order to prove he wants to atone.

He will not rever back to rampancy because he has passed that stage. He knows he did wrong, he wants to do right. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around.

Why would the forerunners want to be bothered? If they did survive then it would make sense for them to start rebuilding thier civilization. They wouldn't want any distractions until their full military prowess was achieved again.

No. Once the Flood was dormant they left the Shield Worlds and they all departed from the Orion Arm.

I would also like to point out that they are not a race focused on military, they only used the Warrior-Servants against races who defied their Mantle.



ok, your AI argument has won over, I'll give you that. As for military, you'd think after the run-in with the Flood that they would be more prepared if an equally devastating attacker came along, i'm not suggesting actual military personnel but technology similar to that used against the Flood before they decided to smite everything with the Halos.

  • 08.10.2011 1:08 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Kyemicals
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Kyemicals
Yes, but that 100,000 years wasn't invested in the game, just in books and the like. And theres a likelyhood that he isn't completely metastable and revert back to being corrupted by some event.


Do you know what metastability is? It's when an AI passes through rampancy and can be said to be a true person. Bias attempted to destroy High Charity by launching the Dreadnaught in 2525 in order to escort humanity to the Ark, when he was on the Ark he told John himself he was going to help him in order to prove he wants to atone.

He will not rever back to rampancy because he has passed that stage. He knows he did wrong, he wants to do right. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around.

Why would the forerunners want to be bothered? If they did survive then it would make sense for them to start rebuilding thier civilization. They wouldn't want any distractions until their full military prowess was achieved again.

No. Once the Flood was dormant they left the Shield Worlds and they all departed from the Orion Arm.

I would also like to point out that they are not a race focused on military, they only used the Warrior-Servants against races who defied their Mantle.



ok, your AI argument has won over, I'll give you that. As for military, you'd think after the run-in with the Flood that they would be more prepared if an equally devastating attacker came along, i'm not suggesting actual military personnel but technology similar to that used against the Flood before they decided to smite everything with the Halos.


That is what they left behind for humanity after giving them "the Mantle" and making them Reclaimers. They may well have been preparing humanity for such a threat.

The Forerunners were concerned only in finding a place to rebuild where they wouldn't be found.

  • 08.10.2011 1:16 PM PDT

I'm like 20% sure that the artificial planet is obviously the Death Star, which is the only other artificial planet I can think of that we have alot of info on.

I don't want to speculate too much upon this though, but do care to share your own ideas.

  • 08.10.2011 1:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Etzudee
Posted by: OniLink147
The "ice" looks more like ash to me honestly. Unless 343 derped. Space isn't cold. it isn't hot either. There is no temperature in space. There isn't an atmosphere or enough material to sustain the energy or lack of energy required for temperature.
Space can have temperatures. It isn't total vacuum, you know. Also, why is the ash on the floor when there's no gravity? It probably is ice that has frozen in place.

There isn't enough material to create a consistent temperature. But it's a minor detail. It may possibly be ice cause by water condensation punching through the Ark's atmosphere.

  • 08.10.2011 1:17 PM PDT

"Jumping feet first into hell isn't your job,
making sure it's crowded when you get there is"


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Kyemicals
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Kyemicals
Yes, but that 100,000 years wasn't invested in the game, just in books and the like. And theres a likelyhood that he isn't completely metastable and revert back to being corrupted by some event.


Do you know what metastability is? It's when an AI passes through rampancy and can be said to be a true person. Bias attempted to destroy High Charity by launching the Dreadnaught in 2525 in order to escort humanity to the Ark, when he was on the Ark he told John himself he was going to help him in order to prove he wants to atone.

He will not rever back to rampancy because he has passed that stage. He knows he did wrong, he wants to do right. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around.

Why would the forerunners want to be bothered? If they did survive then it would make sense for them to start rebuilding thier civilization. They wouldn't want any distractions until their full military prowess was achieved again.

No. Once the Flood was dormant they left the Shield Worlds and they all departed from the Orion Arm.

I would also like to point out that they are not a race focused on military, they only used the Warrior-Servants against races who defied their Mantle.



ok, your AI argument has won over, I'll give you that. As for military, you'd think after the run-in with the Flood that they would be more prepared if an equally devastating attacker came along, i'm not suggesting actual military personnel but technology similar to that used against the Flood before they decided to smite everything with the Halos.


That is what they left behind for humanity after giving them "the Mantle" and making them Reclaimers. They may well have been preparing humanity for such a threat.

The Forerunners were concerned only in finding a place to rebuild where they wouldn't be found.


But humanity only figured out a handfull of the technology from the forerunners.


Wouldn't a Baffler/Dazzler type thing aid in hiding the Forerunners?

[Edited on 08.10.2011 1:29 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2011 1:29 PM PDT

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Why is everyone assuming that Forerunners are gonna be in Halo 4. It mentions an ancient evil but that doesn't imply Forerunners.

  • 08.10.2011 2:51 PM PDT

I think that the 'ancient evil' will be flood related. I wouldn't consider precursors to be 'ancient evil' since humanity are to be the reclaimers of their technology and I wouldn't consider forerunners to be ancient evil either since they always 'protected' humanity and the galaxy until they mistakenly wiped us out because they thought we were being aggressive, not realizing we were running from the flood.

  • 08.11.2011 7:13 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: About 9 Grunts
Why is everyone assuming that Forerunners are gonna be in Halo 4. It mentions an ancient evil but that doesn't imply Forerunners.


I wasn't saying the Forerunners were going to be the ancient evil, it's more than likely they're going to be allies - especially if the Precursors or the Flood turn up.

  • 08.11.2011 7:33 AM PDT

Do you think the Precursors are evil though? Why would we be inheritors of their technology if they were enemies?

  • 08.11.2011 7:42 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Do you think the Precursors are evil though? Why would we be inheritors of their technology if they were enemies?


We do not know the reason why the Forerunners rose up and defeated them yet, it's going to explained in Primordium so that should make things clearer as to what's going on in Halo 4.

  • 08.11.2011 7:46 AM PDT

Ah i see. I really need to read Cryptum... Ordering from Amazon.. Now.

  • 08.11.2011 7:58 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Posted by: About 9 Grunts
Why is everyone assuming that Forerunners are gonna be in Halo 4. It mentions an ancient evil but that doesn't imply Forerunners.


I couldn't even see how they can be in Halo 4 anyway. In Cryptum, they are described as being 2 - 5 metres tall. That is like Waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy up there. It will look really wierd.

  • 08.11.2011 8:03 AM PDT


I couldn't even see how they can be in Halo 4 anyway. In Cryptum, they are described as being 2 - 5 metres tall. That is like Waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy up there. It will look really wierd


15ft tall would be realllly high up there for a character lol

  • 08.11.2011 8:16 AM PDT

forunners!

  • 08.11.2011 9:36 AM PDT

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