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Subject: Forerunners

The forerunners sacrificed themselves to build the halos to stop the flood so therefore it can't be them. The only thing left of them are like sentinels and if halo 4 is based off that, then 343 sucks.

  • 08.12.2011 9:00 AM PDT

Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?

[Edited on 08.12.2011 9:03 AM PDT]

  • 08.12.2011 9:02 AM PDT

They still exist. Somewhere, elsewhere; but they live on.

Some references say they departed the area of space, or the galaxy where all the action is in the Halo universe. They may have gone on their Great Journey, be that litteral or a metaphorical ascension. I think it best if they never reappear, and always stay out of reach.

  • 08.12.2011 9:12 AM PDT


Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.

  • 08.12.2011 9:12 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.


Ok, got ya. I didn't realize they left that job to the Sentinels. But i knew they aren't extinct and I knew that they left at least the Orion Arm. I don't know about the whole galaxy.

  • 08.12.2011 9:14 AM PDT


Posted by: RavUKsoldier

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.


Ok, got ya. I didn't realize they left that job to the Sentinels. But i knew they aren't extinct and I knew that they left at least the Orion Arm. I don't know about the whole galaxy.


Well the thing is, the Encyclopedia does say the words "the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization left the galaxy. Their current status and whereabouts remain unknown."

But I've heard that the Encyclopedia also says they just left the Orion Arm. Now I've looked for this quote at least 6 times, even once reading the entire book in one go on a weekend and I still can't find it. When I ask for the quote, nobody seems capable of providing it. They just ignore my question.

I'm not at home right now and don't have the Encyclopedia with me. Perhaps you could give ne the quote?

  • 08.12.2011 9:22 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.


Ok, got ya. I didn't realize they left that job to the Sentinels. But i knew they aren't extinct and I knew that they left at least the Orion Arm. I don't know about the whole galaxy.


Well the thing is, the Encyclopedia does say the words "the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization left the galaxy. Their current status and whereabouts remain unknown."

But I've heard that the Encyclopedia also says they just left the Orion Arm. Now I've looked for this quote at least 6 times, even once reading the entire book in one go on a weekend and I still can't find it. When I ask for the quote, nobody seems capable of providing it. They just ignore my question.

I'm not at home right now and don't have the Encyclopedia with me. Perhaps you could give ne the quote?


From Halo Wikia:

"While the Didact began the activation sequence for the Array, the Flood fleet attacked, and the remnants of the Forerunner fleet as it formed a spherical defensive formation while the Array activated. Using feint tactics, the Forerunner fleet held off the Flood as the Halos activated, annihilating all sentient life in the Milky Way galaxy. Those saved were sheltered on the Ark. The Forerunners then left the Orion arm of the galaxy[5], and the Flood were halted, and the centralized Gravemind form eventually died.[6] Then, Keyships began escorting various alien life forms back to their homeworlds, so that life could finally return to normal, with no threat of the Flood."

[5]Halo Encyclopedia, pages 16, 28, 171, and 289.

[Edited on 08.12.2011 9:31 AM PDT]

  • 08.12.2011 9:31 AM PDT


Posted by: RavUKsoldier

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.


Ok, got ya. I didn't realize they left that job to the Sentinels. But i knew they aren't extinct and I knew that they left at least the Orion Arm. I don't know about the whole galaxy.


Well the thing is, the Encyclopedia does say the words "the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization left the galaxy. Their current status and whereabouts remain unknown."

But I've heard that the Encyclopedia also says they just left the Orion Arm. Now I've looked for this quote at least 6 times, even once reading the entire book in one go on a weekend and I still can't find it. When I ask for the quote, nobody seems capable of providing it. They just ignore my question.

I'm not at home right now and don't have the Encyclopedia with me. Perhaps you could give ne the quote?


From Halo Wikia:

"While the Didact began the activation sequence for the Array, the Flood fleet attacked, and the remnants of the Forerunner fleet as it formed a spherical defensive formation while the Array activated. Using feint tactics, the Forerunner fleet held off the Flood as the Halos activated, annihilating all sentient life in the Milky Way galaxy. Those saved were sheltered on the Ark. The Forerunners then left the Orion arm of the galaxy[5], and the Flood were halted, and the centralized Gravemind form eventually died.[6] Then, Keyships began escorting various alien life forms back to their homeworlds, so that life could finally return to normal, with no threat of the Flood."

[5]Halo Encyclopedia, pages 16, 28, 171, and 289.


Well, I'll look it up when I get back home, but I'm pretty sure that pg. 171 is the same page that says they left the galaxy, not the Orion Arm. Which leads me to believe Halopedia screwed up. Again.

I was hoping for a direct from-the-book quote too.

thanks though

[Edited on 08.12.2011 9:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.12.2011 9:35 AM PDT

Ya, I just read pg 171 and definitely states that they left the galaxy. Hmmm weird.

  • 08.12.2011 10:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.


I think it was only pictured in Origins that the Sentinels reseeded life because Cortana doesn't know that the Forerunners were alive.

  • 08.12.2011 10:34 AM PDT
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Rev.6-8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.


Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct?

Actually, 343 Guilty Spark said so

  • 08.12.2011 10:35 AM PDT


Posted by: DeadlyCracker

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct?

Actually, 343 Guilty Spark said so


All he says is this:

"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center, died, as planned."

It does NOT say they went extinct.

Yes, the ones that were out defending the rings from the flood died. But there were SHIELD WORLDS. What is hard to understand about that?

It is also stated in the Encyclopedia that the REMAINING Forerunners left the Orion Arm and quite possibly the Milky Way all together. Now how could their be remaining Forerunners if they went extinct?

  • 08.12.2011 10:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeadlyCracker

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct?

Actually, 343 Guilty Spark said so


You realise how stupid it would be to tell the Monitors that they're leaving the Orion Arm, right? 343 says the Forerunners compartmentalised his mind so he only knows specific things, if he were not compartmentalised and was to be captured by the Flood then they'd know the Forerunners were still alive.

  • 08.12.2011 10:45 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DeadlyCracker

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct?

Actually, 343 Guilty Spark said so


You realise how stupid it would be to tell the Monitors that they're leaving the Orion Arm, right? 343 says the Forerunners compartmentalised his mind so he only knows specific things, if he were not compartmentalised and was to be captured by the Flood then they'd know the Forerunners were still alive.


^^^^^
Thank you sir

  • 08.12.2011 10:47 AM PDT
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Rev.6-8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Then perhaps you can explain the ending of "Ghosts of Onyx" and why they found no traces of them either?

  • 08.12.2011 10:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeadlyCracker
Then perhaps you can explain the ending of "Ghosts of Onyx" and why they found no traces of them either?


Because they didn't stay in the Shield Worlds, they left the Orion Arm and left their constructs for humanity - the Reclaimers.

  • 08.12.2011 10:50 AM PDT
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Rev.6-8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys

  • 08.12.2011 10:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: DeadlyCracker
I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys


He's right. Everything you're all saying about the Forerunners being alive is speculation. Stop treating it like fact.

  • 08.12.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeadlyCracker
I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys


Er... the Halo Encyclopedia 343 released says they left the Orion Arm. The Didact says in the Terminals that the activation of Halo isn't the end of the Forerunners. None of it is "rumours and theories", Spark himself says his knowledge is subject to compartmentalisation in case he were ever captured by the Flood.

Look at Penitent Tangent, he was captured by the Gravemind. if he'd know that the Forerunners were still alive and the Gravemind found out then it wouldn't look too good for them.

No, you have been talking rubbish. The bottom line is that the Forerunners are not extinct, Mendicant Bias states in order to prove he has atoned he's going to send John to them.

When Bungie were planning Halo 4 before they did Reach, they came out with art for a Promethean - proving that the game was going to have Forerunners in it.

  • 08.12.2011 11:00 AM PDT


Posted by: DeadlyCracker
I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys


Please. Show me, in ANYTHING you sent me it says that they are EXTINCT?

343 Says the ones in the vicinity of the Halo Rings died. Fine, that is true. Now, I'm gonna say this again, slower and louder "THERE ARE SHIELD WORLDS MEANT FOR THE PURPOSE of SHIELDING the FORERUNNERS from THE RINGS." The ones that were killed by the ring blasts were killed defending and holding off the flood from the shield worlds and ring installations so they could fire them.

Secondly, You post Onyx. They said there were non ON ONYX. They LEFT the shield worlds a long time ago to leave the Orion Arm and Possibly the Galaxy. AS STATED by the ENCYCLOPEDIA made by 343 themselves.

We're not pulling this out of our ass. Go tell 343 they're wrong then too. Sorry, I didn't know you write the Halo Universe now.

  • 08.12.2011 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Posted by: DeadlyCracker
I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys


Please. Show me, in ANYTHING you sent me it says that they are EXTINCT?

343 Says the ones in the vicinity of the Halo Rings died. Fine, that is true. Now, I'm gonna say this again, slower and louder "THERE ARE SHIELD WORLDS MEANT FOR THE PURPOSE of SHIELDING the FORERUNNERS from THE RINGS." The ones that were killed by the ring blasts were killed defending and holding off the flood from the shield worlds and ring installations so they could fire them.

Secondly, You post Onyx. They said there were non ON ONYX. They LEFT the shield worlds a long time ago to leave the Orion Arm and Possibly the Galaxy. AS STATED by the ENCYCLOPEDIA made by 343 themselves.

We're not pulling this out of our ass. Go tell 343 they're wrong then too. Sorry, I didn't know you write the Halo Universe now.


This.

I'm getting sick of people being incapable of comprehending the simplest of things.

  • 08.12.2011 11:31 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Posted by: DeadlyCracker
I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys


Please. Show me, in ANYTHING you sent me it says that they are EXTINCT?

343 Says the ones in the vicinity of the Halo Rings died. Fine, that is true. Now, I'm gonna say this again, slower and louder "THERE ARE SHIELD WORLDS MEANT FOR THE PURPOSE of SHIELDING the FORERUNNERS from THE RINGS." The ones that were killed by the ring blasts were killed defending and holding off the flood from the shield worlds and ring installations so they could fire them.

Secondly, You post Onyx. They said there were non ON ONYX. They LEFT the shield worlds a long time ago to leave the Orion Arm and Possibly the Galaxy. AS STATED by the ENCYCLOPEDIA made by 343 themselves.

We're not pulling this out of our ass. Go tell 343 they're wrong then too. Sorry, I didn't know you write the Halo Universe now.


This.

I'm getting sick of people being incapable of comprehending the simplest of things.


Agreed.

  • 08.12.2011 11:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: RavUKsoldier

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Posted by: DeadlyCracker
I think your missing the main point, he asked where it says they were Extinct; i provided poof. then he said that dosent mean that they are extinct; so i provided proof again to support my clam.
im sorry but both of you are only implying rummors and theorys


Please. Show me, in ANYTHING you sent me it says that they are EXTINCT?

343 Says the ones in the vicinity of the Halo Rings died. Fine, that is true. Now, I'm gonna say this again, slower and louder "THERE ARE SHIELD WORLDS MEANT FOR THE PURPOSE of SHIELDING the FORERUNNERS from THE RINGS." The ones that were killed by the ring blasts were killed defending and holding off the flood from the shield worlds and ring installations so they could fire them.

Secondly, You post Onyx. They said there were non ON ONYX. They LEFT the shield worlds a long time ago to leave the Orion Arm and Possibly the Galaxy. AS STATED by the ENCYCLOPEDIA made by 343 themselves.

We're not pulling this out of our ass. Go tell 343 they're wrong then too. Sorry, I didn't know you write the Halo Universe now.


This.

I'm getting sick of people being incapable of comprehending the simplest of things.


Agreed.


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  • 08.12.2011 3:07 PM PDT
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We should know better, because we are better.

Huzza!
Looking at it from a gameplay point of view as well, playing several games fighting either sentinels, flood, and the mystery enemy would be boring. We need the Forerunners in the next game or else it won't work out.

  • 08.12.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: RavUKsoldier

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Posted by: RavUKsoldier
Ha, what?

Were does it say the Forerunners are extinct? Yes, great sacrifice was given indeed to build the rings, but it never says they died off completely. That's what the shield worlds were for. How do you think the Human race was re-seeded after the first activation of the rings?


Well, Sentinels did that, but it is explicitly stated in the Encyclopedia the Forerunners survived and left the galaxy, a well as ther sources like the Terminals.


Ok, got ya. I didn't realize they left that job to the Sentinels. But i knew they aren't extinct and I knew that they left at least the Orion Arm. I don't know about the whole galaxy.


Well the thing is, the Encyclopedia does say the words "the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization left the galaxy. Their current status and whereabouts remain unknown."

But I've heard that the Encyclopedia also says they just left the Orion Arm. Now I've looked for this quote at least 6 times, even once reading the entire book in one go on a weekend and I still can't find it. When I ask for the quote, nobody seems capable of providing it. They just ignore my question.

I'm not at home right now and don't have the Encyclopedia with me. Perhaps you could give ne the quote?
It's on page 28 of the encyclopedia.

  • 08.12.2011 3:31 PM PDT