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Subject: What is Cheating? (in the right place now)
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I have the same article in the Septagon. Psyched informed me that it was in the wrong forum so now it is also here. Thank you Psyched.

Anyways.................

I'm sure everyone here has played multiplayer for Halo by now. What I want to know is what defines cheating? i.e. looking at other screens, double punching, using that bug that allows multiple active camos, etc. Shouldn't their be some guidelines for these? I want to hear what you think.

  • 09.06.2004 4:07 PM PDT
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it's like ediquite. if you are a screen looker EVERYONE you play whith will hate you. as far as camping and gliches go. it's in the eye of the beholder. some maches i've seen is who ever can ceat the best. some times i've seen one guy "cheat" one time. and he was the bullet holder for the rest of the game. so it's all up to you. but the moast offencive of all gaming crimes is screen looking.

  • 09.06.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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yes...screen watching is -blam!-...my friend does it everytime hes over and i still beat him....he says "its just by habit" or its "periphial vision" but i dont have those problems...hmm...oh well i always beat him anyways cause hes not quite as good as me :) but yes screen watchers...if you play me you will die

  • 09.06.2004 7:05 PM PDT

I have to agree with forstngman, despite his spelling (no offense intended, I need to keep a dictionary next to my computer when I'm posting). Halo is a game that is really pretty absent of "cheats". It is much more like gaming etiquette. The best way to avoid things that someone would personally consider cheating is to discuss and agree to certain rules before the match starts.
The problem with screen watching is that it is highly addictive. Especially for snipers who camp. I spent the first 2 years playing Halo with two screen watchers, so I adopted the habit out of frustration. Through concentration, I have basically cured myself of it.
The truth about it is that you can't see everywhere at once. If you are screen watching, you aren't looking though your own screen and will inevitably die for it.
The best thing to do is to try to think of a different strategy or style of play that people won't expect and keep playing to improve your own skill. Or just don't play with that person any more.

  • 09.06.2004 7:37 PM PDT
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When I am playing with a screen watcher and i kno they r looking and i am trying to go hide somewhere to camp, then i just look at the ground and walk towards the area i want. Either that or we play a system link game, and the good thing is that we have those a lot around here .

  • 09.06.2004 7:44 PM PDT
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Yes i've used the look at the floor tactic on screen watchers too. Also you can walk backwards or look near to them but so they aren't on your screen. Then you can get close and beat their arse in for it.

  • 09.07.2004 8:33 AM PDT
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Yeah. Screen watchers are a real pain in the arse. A good tactic in Oddball is to look at the ground when you have the skull so that nobody can see where you are.

  • 09.07.2004 8:45 AM PDT
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...bullet holder for the rest of the game...
LMAO, never heard that term before, but you can be sure I'm going to use it for now on...I have a friend who sucks really bad...he will now be dubbed Bullet-Holder forevermore. Muahaha. Thanks for the funny term!

[Edited on 9/7/2004 9:40:28 AM]

  • 09.07.2004 9:39 AM PDT

bah

Get system link, stop playing on the same screen. My friends always used to accuse me of screen-watching, then we got system link, and I still horribly pwned them, so they knew I wasn't.

As for the other glitches, it's up to your circle, but since it's almost impossible to tell if someone's using them, the only fair thing to do is make them fair game. That way no one can accuse anyone of cheating.

Basic rule, if someone can cheat and get away with it, it probably shouldn't be cheating. Unless it's outright cheating like using a hack.

  • 09.07.2004 10:00 AM PDT
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In my opinion, screen checking is the only cheating.

But also it's kinda hard not to see your bright armor showing up in your periferhal vision when your friend is sneaking up behind you.

I guess that's what system link is for.

  • 09.07.2004 8:17 PM PDT
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Screen watching isn't cheating, it's just natural. If you play system link regularly and play on teams, you should watch every screen on your tv to know where your teammates are, it's good strategy. Now when you're playing split screen it's natural to let your eyes wonder, if you're playing split screen you deserve it! Buy another XBox, play system link, and if not quit whining about someone 'screen watching'. Play 4 way ffa on small maps is what we do, like prisoner, no powerups.. it's nice pistol practice. Screen watching is only wrong if you're on seperate TVs.

Now about glitches, if someone knows something you don't then you need to learn it, plain and simple. Backpack reload, quick invis, return invis, double invis, double melee.. just to name a few are simple but effective things that make good players better. Because your buddy can reload his weapon faster and never be unarmed, and also can master smacking you in the face twice before you can so much as hit him once doesn't mean he's cheating, it means you need to ask him how to do this and practice. Websites have all of these tricks for ppl to lean, even videos of more things most of you don't know probably. It's not cheating, if everyone is using it then it's completely fair, and if not then the people who aren't need to learn how to.

What is cheating exactly? In Halo I consider cheating using cheap tactics, such as parking a ghost on top of a base at Crap Gulch and proceeding to spawn -blam!- your enemy over and over by doing nothing but driving forward. I don't consider using glitches everyone can learn cheating, I don't consider screen watching cheating if you're playing on the same screen. If you don't like the glitches learn em, if you don't like screen watchers, learn to watch yourself. But when you get to where you spawn -blam!- with a vehicle, you've went beyond cheating into noob-ing, and that's much much worse. :) Cheating is doing anything that gives you an advantage over EVERYONE and takes the skill out of the game.

[Edited on 9/7/2004 8:36:05 PM]

  • 09.07.2004 8:33 PM PDT
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I think it's a game of war and all's fair in love and war. If you can see -plain as day in the other half of the TV- that a sniper rifle is tracking your head, duck! Buddy sitting next to you can see your screen too, if s/he chooses not to acknowledge what's seen that's their loss. And as pointed out above: if you watch everyone else's screens too much then you're not watching your own and will pay for it.

Base camping in a vehicle is lame, though. It doesn't give the victims a chance to actually play the game. I have played games where the odd 'accidental' base-camping would occur. Someone re-spawns right in front of you... smack him in the back of the head, it's a freebie. With the people I play with it's just a given that you'll peg someone that re-spawns in front of you, if you don't then he'll kill you. But it only happens in passing, as a courtesy/caution no one hangs out at an enemy re-spawn point. If someone does it's not long until half the opposing team comes after him and they'll hold a grudge.

I'd like to see a multiplayer game where base camping is the objective. At the start of the game everyone is their own team. But if you can kill someone, then get closer to his re-spawn base, kill him again... until he respawns with you in his base and then you own him and he becomes part of your team. You work together to get more people, can steal people from other teams in the same manner... Keep going until one player is at the top of one team. He's the winner.

  • 09.08.2004 9:11 AM PDT
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If you cant be somone without cheating you suck at halo thats all there is too it.

  • 09.08.2004 9:15 AM PDT
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to start in the first place why the hell are you playing with one xbox anyways? a real cheat is on sidewinder when people set up the warthog so the guy with the flag adn jump through the bars and save half the time getting the flag back to base, another cheat would be hiding in a rock in blood gulch, the one close to red's base, or taking a ghost and getting up on the ledge above where you are actually supposed to be, or another cheat, jumping down on assault on control room on the first bridge you come across, and yes this can be done, i've done it numerous ammounts of time

  • 09.08.2004 10:06 AM PDT
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On cooprative when two of my bros play, on stays behind whil the other goes till he dies than is just respawned. That might be ok sometimes, but they do it throughout the level.

  • 09.08.2004 11:06 AM PDT
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Remember this thread Gaara?

  • 09.08.2004 11:33 AM PDT
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Ok... I've had this kind of thread before and nobody has yet been able to convince me why problems in the game are "fair" to use against other people. The arguments so far used are "everybody does it so I have to to make it fair" closely followed by a great quote from Rip saying "But I'm so good they don't work on me" So why does he use them anyway?
Another good one is "Everyone knows how to do them" which is also incorrect... I don't, nobody I play does, and half the people who have entered similar therads to this didn't know them either.

But I think the best quote to date is... "I can and will use any means to win..." once again from Rip Saw. Now how much like an excuse to cheat does that sound? Furthermore that also implies that he screenlooks, despite what he may say.

Following on to a point made about rules for games defining what you can use... likewise that will never work, because there are far too many paranoid gamers out there (An example of which is right here, but I won't bother with the name cos you know who I'm talking about) he stated "Whether they say I can use them or not, I will. Because I can, and I can't trust them" Despite the fact that they set the rules for a fair fight and everybody swears on pain of death that they won't use these 'glitches' somebody still does. It is people like this who CAUSE the problems. because despite what they say you can't trust them. If people were to be slightly less paranoid about their games and play fairly and by the rules, everybody would be happy.

NOTE: Playing fairly and by the rules is playing the way the game was intended to be done. No "glitches", no hacks, no going off the map. Simply using the guns, the basic controls and pure talent to win. Anybody breaking this code in my opinion is a cheat.
Tristan

PS thanks must go to Josher for the link ;-)

  • 09.08.2004 11:46 PM PDT