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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
That's one way of looking at it, but you have to take in mind that bungie needs to moderate the Halo Forums so they can cipher through the rubbage to find the valuable suggestions they need to make the game better.

You seem to know that is why the game forums are there. However, I happen to disagree. The game forums (IMO) were never about soliciting feedback or suggestions (perhaps Optimatch was), but rather to allow people to interact with other members of the community and share their views/opinions/wishes/desires. I would not consider the game forums to be part of Bungie's business model or development process at all. In essence, each of the game forums is "a Flood" with a dedicated topic.


Posted by: Dagny Taggart
Bungie needs The Flood to make this job easier but they don't need to moderate The Flood it's self.

Bungie doesn't "need" any of these forums. Bungie provides these forums to the fan community as a service and because they like their fans. The Flood is simply the forum that doesn't have a dedicated topic/purpose. The Flood is the bottom drawer on the system of file cabinets for things that don't automatically fit into the organized folder and filing system. Nothing more and certainly nothing less than that.

As to moderating The Flood, they most certainly do. By providing this place for the community, they are hosting this site and its content. If (for example) some members were to disregard and break their membership agreements and start posting wares, pr0nz, or other prohibited material, Bungie would be responsible for making that content available on its domain. That is why we have a membership agreement and put time and effort into enforcing it.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
Yet it is still a bad idea to leave The Flood in an anarchic state so it would be better to allow The Flood to be governed by it's own set of rules that coninside (yes, that is the incorrect spelling I know) with the values it has as a community.

The idea that "The Flood" is a community is (again, my opinion) is a misnomer. It is a forum for members of this site's community. No one is restricted from posting there. It has no borders or limits other than those of the site. You can't say that there is a "mall community" that consists of the kids who hang out there in the summer and that they have the right to set policies for the private property that is the mall. That is nonsense.

This entire site is private property. We are invited and welcomed to visit and use the site as long as we agree to the conditions set by our hosts. To presume that some self-defined social group (who recognizes who are "us" and who are "they") has the ability to "self-govern" something that they neither own, maintain or build.... is ridiculous, egocentric, and childish.

My opinion. But I believe that I am explaining the reasoning behind my opinion.

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Posted by: Kyle Knight
I see you have put a lot of thought into this.

Very legit.

Honestly, I believe a totally independent Flood Forum would be very chaotic. If you are asking for a forum independent from moderators and Bungie members, you are also setting up a target for hackers and "John cena" posters.

How so? If we had rules that target the source of the chaos as I have suggested (video game comparison threads, pony and porch threads etc.)then it should result in a more stable forum.


The mods, as I have noticed, tend to leave some of the Food's more "inappropriate" threads unlocked, yet lock other threads containing minor offenses, and blacklisting the Ops. Although this is annoying to people like me, it still shows order and function. As for the mods, they are not required to be on the b.net 24/7, so for them to lock one thread with a minor offense, and leave one with a major offense unlocked is understandable. One might have popped up while most of the mods were offline.

This is the exact reason why the "you have no rights" doctrine, while catchy, is not only unfair but also inefficient. The rules should be replaced with specific laws that have a punishment predefined.

My point is this. If the Flood had no moderators, and was totally independent, there would be A LOT more of those perverted/-blam!-/rule-breaker threads. At the least, while the mods might seem harsh at times, they do show that some order will always be available in this forum. Their actions, whether or not seem too strict or bothersome to posters, keep the forum stable. If the trolls and perverts knew Bungie and the mods were no longer moderating the Flood, there would probably be hacks left and right, "John cena" links everywhere, and more.

I am not arguing for anarchy, of course we need mods. I only suggest mods that are directly accountable to those who they moderate.

If you are looking for a place to discuss Halo/non-Halo stuff, you could always make your own website. It could be a purely disscussion site where users post threads much like the Flood allows. It would be independent, and you would hold the keys to your own kingdom.

There is the New Flood website, which is prospering last time I checked, and the Flood V2 site, which is a horrible failure. Yet is that a reason why we shouldn't strive to improve our community here?


Your ideas are interesting, but I believe the Flood is far better off as a dependent forum. Have a nice day. :D

Well we can agree to disagree. I hope that you change your viewpoint with the proper reasoning.

  • 08.13.2011 4:12 PM PDT

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In addition to the post I made above, almost every Floodian is not exclusively a Floodian.

Some are Reach-tards. A lot are BNet Comm. Posters. 2 or 3 are ODSTeabaggers. I could go on and on but the point is, that the Flood is a forum that is directly co-dependent on the rest of the Bungie.net community.

To have OT:TF govern themselves would be equivalent to having Pennsylvania govern itself (bad example, I know its a commonwealth and so its closer to that than most states but roll with it) and yet still legally, technically, and legitimately reside within the United States. You can't do that.

You cannot have a group govern itself while being part of a bigger group and yet not be able to be moderated by said bigger group simply because of the fact that they also belong to the smaller group. Logic like that is what makes people go to the Loony Bin.

You're not a Floodian ambassador. You have formed no council. You do not have a simple majority or even a very complex majority of the Flood in favor of your proposal. Before any action can be taken in favor of your suggestion of succession and self governing until you have achieved the following:

1. Rank of Floodian Ambassador in the Bungie.net Community.

2. You form a council elected by the members of the flood, of which you are a part, that are all in favor of a common goal, as outlined in your proposal above.

3. You get the majority of people who spend most of their time in the flood to agree to this proposal. This is of course after you track them all down. (SPOILER ALERT: You won't.)

  • 08.13.2011 4:13 PM PDT

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We should hold up in the flood and fight bungie. Alamo style.

I lol'd


...you do know what happened there, right?


Legands where born. And John Wayne became a god... duh!



That.... and everyone died. Even Davy Crockett. Davy. -blam!-ing. Crockett. God damn Spanish. WHY DO YOU KILL EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD IN THE WORLD?!

  • 08.13.2011 4:16 PM PDT

I am the dark shadow haunting and lunking in the corner of your basement visiting B.net and asking for chocolate.

This sounds like a terrible idea. The Flood may be it's own community and no one owns that community, but Bungie owns the website and the "nation" that created that community. If members of the Flood really wanted to elect their own moderators, they should go to on off-site website such as the New Flood or the Flood v2 to seek what they desire. If the Flood were to elect their moderators, they would need the Bungie webteam to organize elections and make sure that nothing corrupt happened during the election and that moderators wouldn't simply flip flop their stances once they became elected. As amazing as a Flood moderation election would (I have to say that's a really cool idea), it isn't feasible since the webteam would have to spend more time making sure nothing bad happens during and after the elections. That is simply too much work and is easily remedied by Bungie selecting their own moderators for the website!

But I hope I don't sound too discouraging. It's always great to get ideas on how to further improve this website, but I don't think this would go through.

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I have edited this post before replying to it so it may be a little easier to read with my additions, if I removed a vital point then I apologize for it and I'd be glad to reply to it in a separate post.
Posted by: Recon Number 54

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
Bungie needs The Flood to make this job easier but they don't need to moderate The Flood it's self.

Bungie doesn't "need" any of these forums. Bungie provides these forums to the fan community as a service and because they like their fans. The Flood is simply the forum that doesn't have a dedicated topic/purpose. The Flood is the bottom drawer on the system of file cabinets for things that don't automatically fit into the organized folder and filing system. Nothing more and certainly nothing less than that.

You seem to be stating this without replying to the arguments within my original post, which I can not blame you for as it is quite long. I suggest that you reread what I think was in the second/third paragraph but for your convenience I'll sum up what I meant to say. People who post on the Halo Forums often have only this account to post with and they'll often get bored of talking about Halo so without a venue to vent their boredom it would result in a massive decrease in the quality of the Halo Forums.

As to moderating The Flood, they most certainly do. By providing this place for the community, they are hosting this site and its content. If (for example) some members were to disregard and break their membership agreements and start posting wares, pr0nz, or other prohibited material, Bungie would be responsible for making that content available on its domain. That is why we have a membership agreement and put time and effort into enforcing it.

I'll agree that illegal content should be prohibited, but that can be done in an autonomous flood.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
Yet it is still a bad idea to leave The Flood in an anarchic state so it would be better to allow The Flood to be governed by it's own set of rules that coninside (yes, that is the incorrect spelling I know) with the values it has as a community.

The idea that "The Flood" is a community is (again, my opinion) is a misnomer.

Yes, it is not like it was in the old days. But the very fact that the word "Floodian" exists shows that there is a community. A moderation designed to promote this though promoting community events and the culture of the community would only increase this feeling and thereby improve the overall quality of the flood.

My opinion. But I believe that I am explaining the reasoning behind my opinion.

And I respect that, though I would like if you did not indirectly imply that my opinion was "childish". Though I am sure that I may have said something that was offensive and I apologize.
I am going to leave for my father's house soon so I may be unable to reply for a little while. However I am still here for the time being.

[Edited on 08.13.2011 4:32 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2011 4:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

B-b-b-b-Breakdown!
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
While Bungie may own this website and thereby the flood, it has no ownership of the floodian nation.

Actually Bungie has the right to do whatever they want with your account, so yes they own your account, but not the person behind it.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
For a "foreign" entity such as the Bungie Moderation to enforce rules without the consent of the governed will naturally create tensions between the two groups that will only lead to unstable as seen in past with events such as porch day and the infamous "yellow scare".

This is where I think you lost seriousness. You really think the Flood is like not a part of b.net or something? The moderators are moderators of bungie.net, the whole bungie.net. To say that the mods shouldn't enforce the rules there because you don't like it is childish.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
Additionally, bungie gains no benefit from the moderation of the flood.

What the -potato!- are you serious? Bungie gains the relief of trolls and spammers by having the moderators ban and warn them.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The existence of the flood gives would-be flamers an incentive to avoid trouble. Without a venue to discuss what they want to discuss, why shouldn't the flamer simply spam the halo forum for his amusement? The Flood gives him a reason to contribute to the community, by giving him a community to contribute to.

How does it give them an incentive to avoid trouble? Moderators do that, but in your opinion that's not what moderators do, moderators rule with an iron fist and make you all miserable. Also did you just state that The Flood gives flamers a community?

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
While bungie benefits from the existence of the flood, it gains nothing from moderating it. The moderation of the flood overburdens the Moderation staff, distracting it from higher priorities such as the reach forum.

If people used the Report button, we wouldn't have any problem with the moderators not being in a single forum 24/7. The Flood needs to learn how and when to use the Report button.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The rules forbade political threads when these threads serve only to enhance the quality of the thread...

Political threads can't be discussed in the Flood maturely, I believe that will be the situation regardless of moderation change or not, if you want to discuss politics maturely go to a site made for it or a private group.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
However, the Flood can not exist in a state of Anarchy, rather the "state" and the "flood" must become one organic unit, with the values of The Flood being the same as the Rules of the Flood. Floodians ought to elect their moderators who in turn draft the rules. The Rules ought to set a higher standard of quality while liberalizing the range of topics that may be discussed. The individuals who debunk a topic will be punished rather than the topic it's self.

Worse statement of this "essay" IMO, why do you believe that the Flood is a being of its own self? Especially what makes you think that the Flood will be trusted to choose its own moderators? Threads will still slip by, and people will continue to complain about it, nothing will change.

tl;dr
I completely disagree with every statement made by the OP, and the Flood is not its own "sovereign."

  • 08.13.2011 4:31 PM PDT

I'm still stuck on what makes the Flood a better forum than any other forum on this website...

  • 08.13.2011 4:42 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

My use of the term childish is based on my observation of;

I/we want something.
I/we don't have control over it.
I/we didn't make it.
I/we don't pay for it.
I/we still think that I/we should be in charge.
Because I/we want it.

Sorry, but IMO if I see those sorts of statements together, I call it childish. I could sugar coat it and use terms like "idealistic", "youthful exuberance", "naivete" or "charmingly unaware of the reality", but I'm not really that subtle a guy.

  • 08.13.2011 4:43 PM PDT

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"True Honor lies in the heart of the sword; not the heart of the man"

Look at it this way... The Forums on this site are like the states of a Republic. A republic is basically what the US is but smaller and better, states have their own government but ultimately answer to the central gov't. Put that to all the Forums on this site and view them as states, the central Government are the Moderators and the Bungie employees. They ultimately control everything. I hope this helped you see things differently.

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Posted by: Xplode441
B-b-b-b-Breakdown!
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
While Bungie may own this website and thereby the flood, it has no ownership of the floodian nation.


Actually Bungie has the right to do whatever they want with your account, so yes they own your account, but not the person behind it.

And the collective of those unowned people form a community that is unowned in it's self, even when the means of their existance may be owned.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
For a "foreign" entity such as the Bungie Moderation to enforce rules without the consent of the governed will naturally create tensions between the two groups that will only lead to unstable as seen in past with events such as porch day and the infamous "yellow scare".


This is where I think you lost seriousness. You really think the Flood is like not a part of b.net or something? The moderators are moderators of bungie.net, the whole bungie.net. To say that the mods shouldn't enforce the rules there because you don't like it is childish.

Before I reply, I just want to say that I have no problem with the moderators enforcing the rules. I simply disagree with the rules themselves.

And the Flood is unique in that while it is a necessary component, it is unrelated to Halo. Obviously the rules that benefit Bungie should be enforced such as the probation of attacks and illegal content. But there are so many rules that are completely unrelated to that. As I said earlier when I was replying to Recon, bungie needs to regulate the Halo forums to find suggestions made by the community, it has no such need from the flood.



Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The existence of the flood gives would-be flamers an incentive to avoid trouble. Without a venue to discuss what they want to discuss, why shouldn't the flamer simply spam the halo forum for his amusement? The Flood gives him a reason to contribute to the community, by giving him a community to contribute to.

How does it give them an incentive to avoid trouble? Moderators do that, but in your opinion that's not what moderators do, moderators rule with an iron fist and make you all miserable. Also did you just state that The Flood gives flamers a community?

Yes moderation does give an incentive, but is that enough? Lets be honest, if you got tired of discussing halo you'd either leave the site or troll it. The Flood gives it's members a reason to stay and become active members of the community.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
While bungie benefits from the existence of the flood, it gains nothing from moderating it. The moderation of the flood overburdens the Moderation staff, distracting it from higher priorities such as the reach forum.


If people used the Report button, we wouldn't have any problem with the moderators not being in a single forum 24/7. The Flood needs to learn how and when to use the Report button.

If you spent anytime on the flood you'd know that they do know how to use the report button. Almost every inappropriate thread is reported but that doesn't mean the mods respond to it.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The rules forbade political threads when these threads serve only to enhance the quality of the thread...


Political threads can't be discussed in the Flood maturely, I believe that will be the situation regardless of moderation change or not, if you want to discuss politics maturely go to a site made for it or a private group.

First, yes they can be discussed maturely and they can also become flame wars, you just made an assumption. As I said, Control the user Liberalize the topic. If someone flames then ban him, don't lock the topic. Too often the opposite happens.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
However, the Flood can not exist in a state of Anarchy, rather the "state" and the "flood" must become one organic unit, with the values of The Flood being the same as the Rules of the Flood. Floodians ought to elect their moderators who in turn draft the rules. The Rules ought to set a higher standard of quality while liberalizing the range of topics that may be discussed. The individuals who debunk a topic will be punished rather than the topic it's self.

Worse statement of this "essay" IMO, why do you believe that the Flood is a being of its own self? Especially what makes you think that the Flood will be trusted to choose its own moderators? Threads will still slip by, and people will continue to complain about it, nothing will change.

The current moderators have to moderate the entire website, A floodian moderator would only have to moderate the flood thereby making it less likely that threads would slip by.

  • 08.13.2011 4:47 PM PDT

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haha what

The Flood is a forum on Bungie.net.

Not to mention you agreed to their terms of service. And since you agreed to the ToS, Bungie can make any rules they want. And because one of the rules is "you have no rights, play nice" you're kind of out of luck there. If you don't like it, then don't come to the site.

  • 08.13.2011 4:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
My use of the term childish is based on my observation of;

I/we want something.
I/we don't have control over it.
I/we didn't make it.
I/we don't pay for it.
I/we still think that I/we should be in charge.
Because I/we want it.

Sorry, but IMO if I see those sorts of statements together, I call it childish. I could sugar coat it and use terms like "idealistic", "youthful exuberance", "naivete" or "charmingly unaware of the reality", but I'm not really that subtle a guy.


I call it immaturity. That shot closer to the bullseye than childish. Just saying, everyone will mature one way or by force.

  • 08.13.2011 4:48 PM PDT

Key

BTW, when a Master Forum Ninja disagrees with you're proposition to break free of the Bungie.net Community, all the while counteracting each of your points with logic and reason, your proposal is almost guaranteed to fail and not be approved into internet law.

Giving up is the only viable option.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
My use of the term childish is based on my observation of;

I/we want something.
I/we don't have control over it.
I/we didn't make it.
I/we don't pay for it.
I/we still think that I/we should be in charge.
Because I/we want it.

Sorry, but IMO if I see those sorts of statements together, I call it childish. I could sugar coat it and use terms like "idealistic", "youthful exuberance", "naivete" or "charmingly unaware of the reality", but I'm not really that subtle a guy.
You could say the same thing about when the Optimatch forum wanted pistols as a side weapon. You could argue they paid for halo, but don't forget that this is a fan site. We paid for it by purchasing a commodity we enjoy so we have every right to suggest a change in a civilized manner which I believe I have.

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55


1. Rank of Floodian Ambassador in the Bungie.net Community.

2. You form a council elected by the members of the flood, of which you are a part, that are all in favor of a common goal, as outlined in your proposal above.

3. You get the majority of people who spend most of their time in the flood to agree to this proposal. This is of course after you track them all down. (SPOILER ALERT: You won't.)
As my native people would say, Challenge Accepted.


While I won't get the literal majority of members due to the fact that most of them are inactive, if a poll is posted for long enough then it should accurately measure the opinion of the flood.

With a moderator's permission I would like to attempt what this person has suggested. I ask permission as technically that would be discussing a community topic on the off topic forum.

  • 08.13.2011 4:54 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Dagny Taggart

Posted by: Recon Number 54
My use of the term childish is based on my observation of;

I/we want something.
I/we don't have control over it.
I/we didn't make it.
I/we don't pay for it.
I/we still think that I/we should be in charge.
Because I/we want it.

Sorry, but IMO if I see those sorts of statements together, I call it childish. I could sugar coat it and use terms like "idealistic", "youthful exuberance", "naivete" or "charmingly unaware of the reality", but I'm not really that subtle a guy.
You could say the same thing about when the Optimatch forum wanted pistols as a side weapon. You could argue they paid for halo, but don't forget that this is a fan site. We paid for it by purchasing a commodity we enjoy so we have every right to suggest a change in a civilized manner which I believe I have.


You did not pay for this game. Someone could come on this forum without ever purchasing a Bungie/Halo product and so the purchase of a Bungie/Halo product is not directly or indirectly relative to your membership on this website.

Also, this is not a fan site. It is a site about a company run by the company and hence is not a fan site, but an official company sponsored website.

All that taken into consideration, you have no right to change any facet of the website at all unless you are a forum ninja/admin/bungie employee which you are not kthxbai.

  • 08.13.2011 4:54 PM PDT

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Been here since 09.13.2008 Old Account.
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It's an internet fourm. Have you ever posted on another forum?

But besides that, The Flood is the first forum I have ever posted on, and in a way I feel as if it is my home, or 'starter point' per say. I see what you guys are trying to do.

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Dagny Taggart

Posted by: Recon Number 54
My use of the term childish is based on my observation of;

I/we want something.
I/we don't have control over it.
I/we didn't make it.
I/we don't pay for it.
I/we still think that I/we should be in charge.
Because I/we want it.

Sorry, but IMO if I see those sorts of statements together, I call it childish. I could sugar coat it and use terms like "idealistic", "youthful exuberance", "naivete" or "charmingly unaware of the reality", but I'm not really that subtle a guy.
You could say the same thing about when the Optimatch forum wanted pistols as a side weapon. You could argue they paid for halo, but don't forget that this is a fan site. We paid for it by purchasing a commodity we enjoy so we have every right to suggest a change in a civilized manner which I believe I have.


You did not pay for this game. Someone could come on this forum without ever purchasing a Bungie/Halo product and so the purchase of a Bungie/Halo product is not directly or indirectly relative to your membership on this website.

Hypothetically they could, but it would be irrational to use hypotheticals. Hypothetically any of the moderation staff could be hacked and therefore we shouldn't have moderators, but that arguement is foolish as it is unlikely.

Also, this is not a fan site. It is a site about a company run by the company and hence is not a fan site, but an official company sponsored website.

You are correct in the strict sense of the term. however to a large extent this website is used to discuss Halo and therefore acts similarly to one.

All that taken into consideration, you have no right to change any facet of the website at all unless you are a forum ninja/admin/bungie employee which you are not kthxbai.

I am not changing the forum, no one is forcing bungie to agree with me, I am merely suggesting a change.
I am going to go to my fathers house so I may not respond for while but I will return to this discussion as soon as I can. I hope that I have made my opinion very clear.

[Edited on 08.13.2011 5:03 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2011 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dagny Taggart
Posted by: KoO 101
While there may be some merit to having forum-specific Ninjas, what you're suggesting is highly impractical.
Just the opposite, the moderators would be able to moderate the Halo Forums better if the task of moderating The Flood was left to The Flood.


I mean the idea of having forum-specific Ninjas for only The Flood where there would be elections to choose them is impractical. If The Flood has to have its own Ninjas, why not The Universe? Why not every other forum? And there's no way that having the community elect their own Ninjas is going to produce better Ninjas than Bungie's web-team ever-so-carefully choosing them.

And what of the Bungie web-team? Now they have more Ninjas to monitor and the elected Flood Ninjas would surely be more of a hassle than the ones they choose. Unless you're actually suggesting that the Bungie web-team ignore The Flood entirely, in which case why not create your own forums?

Like I said, it's just impractical.

(FYI: The tone of what I said seems very harsh, but I don't mean it to be. It's the just the way I come across.)

  • 08.13.2011 5:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
If you spent anytime on the flood you'd know that they do know how to use the report button. Almost every inappropriate thread is reported but that doesn't mean the mods respond to it.

Ha, you are yourself making assumptions, just because I'm on the Community forum right now doesn't mean I've never been on the Flood or that I hate the Flood. I used to be an active member on the Flood at the same time being one on the Community, however, I just grew to generally dislike most of the content of the Flood, and I usually just lurk there now, posting when I feel my opinion is necessary.

You're furthering your statement that you think the Flood is a separate community, and that statement is demolished by the fact that almost no one on this website stays exclusively to one forum.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart
First, yes they can be discussed maturely and they can also become flame wars, you just made an assumption. As I said, Control the user Liberalize the topic. If someone flames then ban him, don't lock the topic. Too often the opposite happens.

Oh, I'm sorry, could you provide me a link to a political thread that didn't spiral to chaos?
Also the mods can't just ban the offenders, if the topic gets too out of hand it has to be dealt with. Even if a user is banned, their quotes still stand, or did you forget that?
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The current moderators have to moderate the entire website, A floodian moderator would only have to moderate the flood thereby making it less likely that threads would slip by.

Even if this idea came into consideration, you would have to find trustworthy users, people who are unbiased and have good knowledge of the rules, and I'm sorry, but that's not a trait of the "Floodians".

I agree with Recon, these suggestions are quite childish, this is not our website, and if you don't like the rules or the members then make your own or find a new one.

  • 08.13.2011 5:06 PM PDT

Key

Hypothetically they could, but it would be irrational to use hypotheticals. Hypothetically any of the moderation staff could be hacked and therefore we shouldn't have moderators, but that arguement is foolish as it is unlikely.

Sentence 1: Its not a hypothetical. There are people on this website without linked GT's and who don't play halo.

Sentence 2: They aren't, or they would contact Bungie and have their account deactivated, and you're correct it is foolish. It grants you nothing in favor of your argument and if anything makes you look even more ignorant.

You are correct in the strict sense of the term. however to a large extent this website is used to discuss Halo and therefore acts similarly to one.

Google the following phrase in the quotation marks: "define: fan site"

You will get this: A fansite, fan site, or fanpage is a website created and maintained by a fan or devotee interested in a celebrity, thing, or a particular cultural phenomenon.

This site is not maintained by a fan or devotee, it is maintained by the company. It is, by definition, not a fan site. It is, in no way, a fan site.

I am not changing the forum, no one is forcing bungie to agree with me, I am merely suggesting a change.

You are attempting to put forth a motion that would alter the site in a major way. You are attempting to start a revolution, one that is quite obviously unpopular with the Bungie community, and so attempting to be the metaphorical flag around which your supporters you hope to gain will rally around. You are attempting to be the catalyst of a major change in the site.

You are trying to change the site.



  • 08.13.2011 5:09 PM PDT

The Flood members can make their own site and be their own community if they don't want to be under the moderators' jurisdiction. Problem solved?

  • 08.13.2011 5:10 PM PDT
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What you're wanting is an off-site. Create one.

  • 08.13.2011 5:11 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Duardo
What you're wanting is an off-site. Create one.


The OP knows if they create an off-site, they will not have near the success that the Flood has now.

OP wants to have their cake and eat it too

  • 08.13.2011 5:12 PM PDT

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