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Posted by: Xplode441
B-b-b-b-Breakdown!
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
While Bungie may own this website and thereby the flood, it has no ownership of the floodian nation.
Actually Bungie has the right to do whatever they want with your account, so yes they own your account, but not the person behind it.
And the collective of those unowned people form a community that is unowned in it's self, even when the means of their existance may be owned.
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
For a "foreign" entity such as the Bungie Moderation to enforce rules without the consent of the governed will naturally create tensions between the two groups that will only lead to unstable as seen in past with events such as porch day and the infamous "yellow scare".
This is where I think you lost seriousness. You really think the Flood is like not a part of b.net or something? The moderators are moderators of bungie.net, the whole bungie.net. To say that the mods shouldn't enforce the rules there because you don't like it is childish.
Before I reply, I just want to say that I have no problem with the moderators enforcing the rules. I simply disagree with the rules themselves.
And the Flood is unique in that while it is a necessary component, it is unrelated to Halo. Obviously the rules that benefit Bungie should be enforced such as the probation of attacks and illegal content. But there are so many rules that are completely unrelated to that. As I said earlier when I was replying to Recon, bungie needs to regulate the Halo forums to find suggestions made by the community, it has no such need from the flood.
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The existence of the flood gives would-be flamers an incentive to avoid trouble. Without a venue to discuss what they want to discuss, why shouldn't the flamer simply spam the halo forum for his amusement? The Flood gives him a reason to contribute to the community, by giving him a community to contribute to.
How does it give them an incentive to avoid trouble? Moderators do that, but in your opinion that's not what moderators do, moderators rule with an iron fist and make you all miserable. Also did you just state that The Flood gives flamers a community?
Yes moderation does give an incentive, but is that enough? Lets be honest, if you got tired of discussing halo you'd either leave the site or troll it. The Flood gives it's members a reason to stay and become active members of the community.
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
While bungie benefits from the existence of the flood, it gains nothing from moderating it. The moderation of the flood overburdens the Moderation staff, distracting it from higher priorities such as the reach forum.
If people used the Report button, we wouldn't have any problem with the moderators not being in a single forum 24/7. The Flood needs to learn how and when to use the Report button.
If you spent anytime on the flood you'd know that they do know how to use the report button. Almost every inappropriate thread is reported but that doesn't mean the mods respond to it.
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
The rules forbade political threads when these threads serve only to enhance the quality of the thread...
Political threads can't be discussed in the Flood maturely, I believe that will be the situation regardless of moderation change or not, if you want to discuss politics maturely go to a site made for it or a private group.
First, yes they can be discussed maturely and they can also become flame wars, you just made an assumption. As I said, Control the user Liberalize the topic. If someone flames then ban him, don't lock the topic. Too often the opposite happens.
Posted by: Dagny Taggart
However, the Flood can not exist in a state of Anarchy, rather the "state" and the "flood" must become one organic unit, with the values of The Flood being the same as the Rules of the Flood. Floodians ought to elect their moderators who in turn draft the rules. The Rules ought to set a higher standard of quality while liberalizing the range of topics that may be discussed. The individuals who debunk a topic will be punished rather than the topic it's self.
Worse statement of this "essay" IMO, why do you believe that the Flood is a being of its own self? Especially what makes you think that the Flood will be trusted to choose its own moderators? Threads will still slip by, and people will continue to complain about it, nothing will change.
The current moderators have to moderate the entire website, A floodian moderator would only have to moderate the flood thereby making it less likely that threads would slip by.