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Posted by: Fin5434p
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Posted by: Fin5434p
The Flood has taken a Galaxy before, from foes more advanced and powerful than the Imperium, or the Eldar, or Tau.
Not that I'm doubting your word on this, but where did ya read this lil' bit of information? I've not seen this said before.
I'm referring to the Forerunners, and to quote the Gravemind itself from the last level of halo 3
"I have consumed a galaxy of mind, and flesh, and bone!"
Anyway, if you're going on full power Forerunner Era Flood, then the Tyranids should rightly be given the full power of all their Hive Fleets, seen and yet unseen, which I do believe would -still- vastly outnumber the Flood, and could take apart the infected Forerunner fleet through pure attrition.
For all we know the Hive Fleets we have seen in 40K might represent the bulk of Tyranid forces, their numbers are kept ambiguous in keeping with 40K's 'grimdark' theme, but actual numbrs aren't stated.
It is certainly possible they could be a contender through numbers alone, I acknowledged that in my first post in this thread.
As I recall, the majority of the infected Forerunner fleet comprised of converted civilian vessels? Whilst each Tyranid ship is created for war. Correct me if I'm wrong, mind.
Mendicant's fleet was mostly converted civilian vessels you are correct. They were used as boarding craft primarily, a tactic that was effective in gaining the Flood forerunner warships at little real cost (civilian vessels are expendable, warships are a good prize). This tactic would not be as useful against the Tyranids, so presumably Mendicant or the Gravemind would use a different approach, both are excellent strategists.
Also, a thing I've been pondering, just how sharp the infection forms' tendrils are?
With respect, you are missing the point, the important factors are the Forerunner ships and ground equipment the Flood can bring to bear. Any additional biomass recovered will be less capable as front-line combatants than Forerunner ones and aquiring them should e a secondary objective.
That's a fair point, but the information on Tyranid fleets is fairly limited, and seeing as the Imperium of Man (Aswell as other races) can also break worlds, and cause stars to go nova, with the right application of their might, atleast.
Blackstone fortresses?
I can imagine that the Tyranids have comparable abilities
Possibly, but have they ever demonstrated it?
I certainly can't remember reading it if they have.
The Forerunners could do all this stuff with the Flood too, it still failed and they were defeated.
Because the Flood could do it back to them as well, they nicked a lot of Forerunner stuff, that's kind of their whole 'thing' as a species.
Not to mention, alot of this can be done by 40k races too, and they still struggle to hold back the Tyranids.
There're also a number of somewhat similar weapons of mass destruction within the 40k universe that could compare to a Halo array, though not acting as rapidly.
Say what??? I've never seen a Halo-type thing in 40K ???
This is a Tyranid vs Flood debate, and the Flood would -never- use the Halo Arrays.
Mendicant used one (or, arguably, more than one) against the Forerunner in Cryptum. I wasn't bringing it up because I didn't consider it a common Flood tactic. They have the capability though, and have demonstrated a willingness to use it.
This is really the funny thing about Flood vs ____ debates; people toss around these powerful weapons and vast armies that, while yes would be highly effective in any other sense, ironically would be their downfall. Because the Flood would be able to use them too.
I often use Coruscasnt as an analogy, from Star Wars. It has the strongest defenses in the entire Republic, with easily hundreds if not thousands of ships stationed their at any given time.
But they are so packed together, with trillions of denizins living in a claustrophobic city-scape. The strength of their defenses would be turned on themselves by the Flood in an ironic twist and actually accelerate the invasion process. What they are defending becomes their own worst enemy.
I think thats why the Chief and his human friends were so succesfull. He was a single, one man army. If he died, the Flood would not gain millions of forms at once, just one, OPed Spartan form.
And the UNSC never threw that many troops at the Flood for them to consume. They were usually evac-ing.
So with the Flood, an army as impossibly vast and diverse as the Tyranids (and one made completely out of biomass) would fall significantly faster to the Flood then the UNSC, disregarding the Forerunner weapons factor.
And regarding the Halo Bias used, if the Flood also adapted the Forerunners' mentality as well, then the Flood would gladly use the Halos on a misquitoe if it came to it.