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Subject: Tyranids vs. Zerg. vs. Flood vs. Xenomorphs vs. Necromorphs?


Posted by: Iron Benny x
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I'm referring to point 1, btw.

I haven't read the Evolutions II story myself, as I see no reason to spend money for an entire collection when I need only 1 short story, but from what I've heard of it, in Soma the Painter, Seward is invaded by these Flood "bioships" of some sort. The Flood can definitely create their own vessels (even better if they have a captured Forerunner warship factory) and it would also seem from this story that they can create biological ships as well.


Aha, well, if that's true, then I apologise, I was unaware of this. But, I cannot imagine that these bioships would compare to those of the Tyranids. Nothing I've seen about the Flood has shown that their self-created biological weapons (E.g those weird floating things in Halo Wars) compare to that which the Tyranids can produce. The Flood seem quite limited to gases and fleshy matter, atleast in my experience.


First I'd like to reinforce the fact I haven't read the story so I can't say anything about it with any certainty. Maybe someone else can help you out.

Anyway, it all depends on the Gravemind's available resources and requirements to fight a war. Usually, when somebody puts the Flood at full power, its over.

The Flood is less of a race, but more of a singular macrorganism composed of an "undifferentiated cell type" called the Flood Super Cell, or FSC, that is used to gain biomass. These FSCs can be arranged to fit any purpose, and create any creature, the Gravemind needs to fill any role in the war effort.

Thats why I say the Flood at full power nearly always wins. Its almost a garuntee actually. The city-sized pure forms from Origins are the kind of things the Forerunners had to deal with. They fit the role of siege creatures, built to lay waste to cities (and take the ensuing punishment, even from the impossible power of the Forerunners).

With the Flood, the only one drawback in their biology is available resources because its a factor outside of their control, dependant on indeginous lifeforms. But at full power, the Flood has the entire collective might of the Forerunners mixed with Medicant Bias' and GM's vast intelligence, also mixed with fighting a race with numbers so equally vast the Flood's nature would see it only as an all-you-can-eat buffet. I again refer you to the Star Wars Coruscant paradox. Better weaponry, better defenses, more ships, and larger, well-equipped armies+Flood=mass-genocide.

Except in this scenario its worse because the 'nids and their technology is literally composed of what the Flood eats. Its like covering yourself in steak and running through the African Svannah near hyienna territory. It will not end well.

So the way I see it, the Flood might have the upper hand here.

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Posted by: Iron Benny x
Sheer amount of text to sift through was confusing me, I'll just answer down here.


My apologies, I tend to write long replies, I'll try to keep it brief.


No need to apologise, I'm perfectly capable of reading long replies, I prefer them, it's just the reply box is rather small when I'm trying to quote and edit so much text, hardly your fault.


No worries then, I tend to cut-and-paste to notepad and write out my replies in there, my internet frequently drops out for a few minutes and it's frustrating to lose typing!

  • 08.14.2011 8:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: a grilledcheese
The Flood, at the height of their power, only had a few thousand captured Forerunner ships.

A typical Tyranid invasion has over 1 billion ships.

And each ship is made of a Tyranid.


Though the Tyranid fleet would still greatly outnumber the Flood fleet, it was more than a few thousand according to the Terminals.

"The seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships, many in excess of [50,000 tonnes]"

This is Offensive Bias' wording, and that is the seventh wave, if the previous six waves were of a similar size, then that would be around 1.5 million ships.

[Edited on 08.14.2011 8:59 AM PDT]

  • 08.14.2011 8:39 AM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

When people are bringing up IoM defeating Tyranid fleets, I'd like to remind that in most of those cases the ways of victory are not available to Flood. On Magracce for example, Imperium's battleship Dominus Astra made it's warp drives explode, so on creating warp rift that sucked the fleet in. Also, it required more then just one imperial fleet to halt them.

Posted by: FTW 1997
and flood numbers werent trillions it was quadrillions.
and there is no adoptation to it....because the forerunners tried every option that could possibly come in mind


Forerunners aren't Tyranids, and their ways to adapt are so different that comparing them doesn't seem to tell anything from the truth.

Numbering in Quadrillions is something that Tyranids achieve, too.

Assuming that Flood control's Halo arrays, they would win, I have nothing against that argument. When it comes to simply ships, those numbers aren't propably high enough to prevent this from happening to FR vessels.

  • 08.14.2011 8:39 AM PDT

Halo is one of the most important part of my life.

The zerg becouse they can make hot chicks into an evil hot chick!

  • 08.14.2011 8:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Iron Benny x

Posted by: a grilledcheese
The Flood, at the height of their power, only had a few thousand captured Forerunner ships.

A typical Tyranid invasion has over 1 billion ships.

And each ship is made of a Tyranid.


Though the Tyranid fleet would still greatly outnumber the Flood fleet, it was more than a few thousannd according to the Terminals.

"The seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships, many in excess of [50,000 tonnes]"

This is Offensive Bias' wording, and that is the seventh wave, if the previous six waves were of a similar size, then that would be around 1.5 million ships.


I'm talking military ships.

  • 08.14.2011 8:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Fin5434p

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

[This is really the funny thing about Flood vs ____ debates; people toss around these powerful weapons and vast armies that, while yes would be highly effective in any other sense, ironically would be their downfall. Because the Flood would be able to use them too.

I often use Coruscasnt as an analogy, from Star Wars. It has the strongest defenses in the entire Republic, with easily hundreds if not thousands of ships stationed their at any given time.

But they are so packed together, with trillions of denizins living in a claustrophobic city-scape. The strength of their defenses would be turned on themselves by the Flood in an ironic twist and actually accelerate the invasion process. What they are defending becomes their own worst enemy.


It is particularly jarring in SW where the combination of plentiful weapons, high populations, and very fast, very available transport makes the Flood almost impossible to contain.

Ironically a less advanced setting would fare better, untill you start getting to the 'sufficiently advanced' end of the spectrum.




This is exactly what I'm getting at. It may be the UNSC's "sorta, kinda" advanced technology that actually won the day and allowed them to survive. Their tech had draw-backs and wasn't particuarly fast or advanced. The Flood therefore had the same problems.

More advanced races like The Republic, Imperium of Man, and the Forerunners are more susceptible to the Flood. Like how a stronger man is more susceptible to a tazer because of his denser muscles.

And in the case of the Forerunners, when practically all of your weapons even at the lowest spectrum can lay waste to an entire ecosystem in one shot, you're feeling the same effects.

  • 08.14.2011 8:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Iron Benny x

Posted by: a grilledcheese
The Flood, at the height of their power, only had a few thousand captured Forerunner ships.

A typical Tyranid invasion has over 1 billion ships.

And each ship is made of a Tyranid.


Though the Tyranid fleet would still greatly outnumber the Flood fleet, it was more than a few thousannd according to the Terminals.

"The seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships, many in excess of [50,000 tonnes]"

This is Offensive Bias' wording, and that is the seventh wave, if the previous six waves were of a similar size, then that would be around 1.5 million ships.


The ammount of ships the Flood had easily numbered in the millions, maybe billions. This is not including hacked automated weapon systems (automated warships) which could number several trillion (yes, trillion) strong in a single fleet (according to Cryptum).

  • 08.14.2011 8:48 AM PDT
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The calculation of Cortana's hax is on page 6:
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=179618&pa ge=6

As for the Flood ships,yes it seems they arrived at Seaward in biological ships.
Quote:

"A dark gray streak. A dirty charcoal imperfection drawn through the the center of the other hues in a floundering arc,trailing a sickly yellow smoke behind it."

Also what if this ships are flood made ships cause they don't look like Forerunner infected ships with a Flood form on top of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_1tUAURG8
Check at 6:48

  • 08.14.2011 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: teekuppi
When people are bringing up IoM defeating Tyranid fleets, I'd like to remind that in most of those cases the ways of victory are not available to Flood. On Magracce for example, Imperium's battleship Dominus Astra made it's warp drives explode, so on creating warp rift that sucked the fleet in. Also, it required more then just one imperial fleet to halt them.


This method would actually be available to the Flood:
Offensive Bias:
"Of my ships that had been captured, 11.3 percent of them are close enough to Mendicant's core fleet that they can be used offensively - either by initiating their self-destruct sequences, or by opening unrestricted ruptures into [slipstream space]."

And

"05-032 abandoned the tactic of using derelict ships as cover after [72:S] - It seems that 52 core vessels lost to the ruptured fuel cells of derelict ships was lesson enough. Add another 508 lost to collision, point fire, structural failure due to inertial manipulation, and [slipstream space] induced discoherence and I now outnumber Mendicant [6:1]."

Forerunners aren't Tyranids, and their ways to adapt are so different that comparing them doesn't seem to tell anything from the truth.

Given the number of mutations Forerunners go through to reach High Rate, it's fair to say they were no slouches in the Biosciences department. They couldn't find an effective counter to the Flood biologically.

Assuming that Flood control's Halo arrays, they would win, I have nothing against that argument. When it comes to simply ships, those numbers aren't propably high enough to prevent this from happening to FR vessels.

I'm still not convinced that actively closing to touching distance with the Flood when your ship is purely biological and the Flood corrupt and consume biological matter is a great idea.

It seems Forerunner vessels are plenty maneuverable anyway:

Offensive Bias again:

"I toss around [37,654 tonne] dreadnaughts like they were fighters"

  • 08.14.2011 9:01 AM PDT

Though most Tyranids are basically space dinosaurs.

  • 08.14.2011 9:02 AM PDT

Cortana's operational power, and by extension, the Gravemind's.

To put it in perspective, a 128,000 bit encryption is 6.919e+38,531 potential combinations. To crack it, she would have to come up with a statistically significant portion of the potential combinations in order to do it. Worse, the encryption was modulating, which means it probably chnaged a few times while she was attempting to crack it.

So she can probably process about the amount of information represented by the total combination count in only a couple of seconds. To put this amount of information in persepective if it took Cortana a trillion years to crack the combination, and she got lucky and did it after only accounting for a millionth of the potential combinations(and it did not modulate at any point) she'd be able to simulate the position, vector and other properties of every atom in our universe(assuming there are 10^90 atoms, and each required a magabit a second to simulate) 2.2*10^38,410 times. To put that in more recognisable numbers It's simulating so many trillions of universes, that even stacking the orders of magnitude end on end(a trillion trillion being 10^24) you'd need to repeat the word trillion about 3,200 times to account for all the orders of magnitude.

That's a tillion trillion ... 3,197 more "trillion"s .... trillion universes simulated simultaneously in real time.


I'll admit, I have no -blam!- ing clue what this means. The only scientific field that bores the hell out of me is computers. So take this how you will.

[Edited on 08.14.2011 9:08 AM PDT]

  • 08.14.2011 9:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fin5434p
I'm still not convinced that actively closing to touching distance with the Flood when your ship is purely biological and the Flood corrupt and consume biological matter is a great idea.


Well, likewise, the Tyranids corrupt and consume both biological and non-biological matter. The entire infected ship is a meal for the Tyranids.

It's clear to me that the Flood individually do not pose as much of a threat, it's only due to the Forerunners that they do. As has been stated earlier.
If the Tyranids faced a Flood controlled UNSC era fleet, the outcome would be much more in favour of the Tyranids. But, then again, the influence of the Forerunners can't be disregarded, turning your own weapons against you seems to be the main method of attack for the Flood.

But, regardless, the discussion's venturing too far in to the realms of Cryptum, so I can't really participate any longer, having never read the said novel. Whilst I still believe the Tyranids would come out on top, the pro-Flood side have made some valid points, and I've enjoyed the debate. Thank ya'll.


[Edited on 08.14.2011 9:13 AM PDT]

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Cortana's operational power, and by extension, the Gravemind's.

To put it in perspective, a 128,000 bit encryption is 6.919e+38,531 potential combinations. To crack it, she would have to come up with a statistically significant portion of the potential combinations in order to do it. Worse, the encryption was modulating, which means it probably chnaged a few times while she was attempting to crack it.

So she can probably process about the amount of information represented by the total combination count in only a couple of seconds. To put this amount of information in persepective if it took Cortana a trillion years to crack the combination, and she got lucky and did it after only accounting for a millionth of the potential combinations(and it did not modulate at any point) she'd be able to simulate the position, vector and other properties of every atom in our universe(assuming there are 10^90 atoms, and each required a magabit a second to simulate) 2.2*10^38,410 times. To put that in more recognisable numbers It's simulating so many trillions of universes, that even stacking the orders of magnitude end on end(a trillion trillion being 10^24) you'd need to repeat the word trillion about 3,200 times to account for all the orders of magnitude.

That's a tillion trillion ... 3,197 more "trillion"s .... trillion universes simulated simultaneously in real time.


I'll admit, I have no -blam!- ing clue what this means. The only scientific field that bores the hell out of me is computers. So take this how you will.


The number is so huge as to be basically meaningless, I've not doble-checked the maths, but I'll assume it's right.
I doubt it was a pure brute-force hack to be honest, even with some of the predictions for quantum computers it shouldn't be possible to brute-force that amount of data.

We know the Gravemind's intellect matched (likely exceeded) Mendicant's own, and Cortana is like a child's toy compared to Mendicant.

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  • 08.14.2011 9:15 AM PDT
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Are you kiddin me ?
Really havent you read anything that was written down earlier ?
The medicant bias fleet only had trillions of ships...flood ships are also supirior to the Tyranids.

  • 08.14.2011 9:17 AM PDT


Posted by: Fin5434p

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Cortana's operational power, and by extension, the Gravemind's.

To put it in perspective, a 128,000 bit encryption is 6.919e+38,531 potential combinations. To crack it, she would have to come up with a statistically significant portion of the potential combinations in order to do it. Worse, the encryption was modulating, which means it probably chnaged a few times while she was attempting to crack it.

So she can probably process about the amount of information represented by the total combination count in only a couple of seconds. To put this amount of information in persepective if it took Cortana a trillion years to crack the combination, and she got lucky and did it after only accounting for a millionth of the potential combinations(and it did not modulate at any point) she'd be able to simulate the position, vector and other properties of every atom in our universe(assuming there are 10^90 atoms, and each required a magabit a second to simulate) 2.2*10^38,410 times. To put that in more recognisable numbers It's simulating so many trillions of universes, that even stacking the orders of magnitude end on end(a trillion trillion being 10^24) you'd need to repeat the word trillion about 3,200 times to account for all the orders of magnitude.

That's a tillion trillion ... 3,197 more "trillion"s .... trillion universes simulated simultaneously in real time.


I'll admit, I have no -blam!- ing clue what this means. The only scientific field that bores the hell out of me is computers. So take this how you will.


The number is so huge as to be basically meaningless, I've not doble-checked the maths, but I'll assume it's right.
I doubt it was a pure brute-force hack to be honest, even with some of the predictions for quantum computers it shouldn't be possible to brute-force that amount of data.

We know the Gravemind's intellect matched (likely exceeded) Mendicant's own, and Cortana is like a child's toy compared to Mendicant.


Its funny you call Cortana a child's toy when you consider Forerunner children, like Bornstealler, use AIs similar to Cortana in their daily lives.

Anyway, that's also true, that Gravemind also outpaced Medicant Bias, (though it took him much longer to do it).

Anyway, I'm not seeing much from the 'Nids side, and it seems the Flood's biology, immunity (more on that in a minute) and weaponry just simply outclass the 'nids in this scenario.

And by immunity I mean to say they are invunerable to disease (besterium), which suggests Tyranids trying to infect Flood might not work. The FSC would simply reject the foreign cells.

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Posted by: Iron Benny x
Well, likewise, the Tyranids corrupt and consume both biological and non-biological matter. The entire infected ship is a meal for the Tyranids.


Well, yes, but the Tyranids do have to eat the Flood to do that, the Flood on the other hand just has to get a tentacle into whatever passes for the bloodstream of the Tyranid Ship.

It's clear to me that the Flood individually do not pose as much of a threat,

The problem really is that the Tyranids have a good track record defending against and adapting to biological (and non-biological) threats, while the Flood have a good track record of converting anything they can get their little tentacles on to more Flood matter.
The Flood may be able to consume the Tyranids (if so, it's a massive boon to them), but conversely the Tyranids may be able to resist it, there is no way to really know.

I think it's possible for the Forerunner-war era Flood to win it without eating living Tyranids (dead biomass reclaimation is all good though), but does depend on Forerunner equipment to get the Tyranids dead if they can't infect and take over their normal forms.

it's only due to the Forerunners that they do. As has been stated earlier.
If the Tyranids faced a Flood controlled UNSC era fleet, the outcome would be much more in favour of the Tyranids. But, then again, the influence of the Forerunners can't be disregarded, turning your own weapons against you seems to be the main method of attack for the Flood.


Agreed, Tyranid vessels would not be meaningfully damaged by UNSC-type ships, they'd rely on the ability to infect the Tyranids, which isn't garunteed.

But, regardless, the discussion's venturing too far in to the realms of Cryptum, so I can't really participate any longer, having never read the said novel. Whilst I still believe the Tyranids would come out on top, the pro-Flood side have made some valid points, and I've enjoyed the debate. Thank ya'll.


Cryptum was actually pretty good, anyways, I've enjoyed the discussion too, thank you for debating it.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Iron Benny x
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I'm referring to point 1, btw.

I haven't read the Evolutions II story myself, as I see no reason to spend money for an entire collection when I need only 1 short story, but from what I've heard of it, in Soma the Painter, Seward is invaded by these Flood "bioships" of some sort. The Flood can definitely create their own vessels (even better if they have a captured Forerunner warship factory) and it would also seem from this story that they can create biological ships as well.


Aha, well, if that's true, then I apologise, I was unaware of this. But, I cannot imagine that these bioships would compare to those of the Tyranids. Nothing I've seen about the Flood has shown that their self-created biological weapons (E.g those weird floating things in Halo Wars) compare to that which the Tyranids can produce. The Flood seem quite limited to gases and fleshy matter, atleast in my experience.


First I'd like to reinforce the fact I haven't read the story so I can't say anything about it with any certainty. Maybe someone else can help you out.

Anyway, it all depends on the Gravemind's available resources and requirements to fight a war. Usually, when somebody puts the Flood at full power, its over.

The Flood is less of a race, but more of a singular macrorganism composed of an "undifferentiated cell type" called the Flood Super Cell, or FSC, that is used to gain biomass. These FSCs can be arranged to fit any purpose, and create any creature, the Gravemind needs to fill any role in the war effort.

Thats why I say the Flood at full power nearly always wins. Its almost a garuntee actually. The city-sized pure forms from Origins are the kind of things the Forerunners had to deal with. They fit the role of siege creatures, built to lay waste to cities (and take the ensuing punishment, even from the impossible power of the Forerunners).

With the Flood, the only one drawback in their biology is available resources because its a factor outside of their control, dependant on indeginous lifeforms. But at full power, the Flood has the entire collective might of the Forerunners mixed with Medicant Bias' and GM's vast intelligence, also mixed with fighting a race with numbers so equally vast the Flood's nature would see it only as an all-you-can-eat buffet. I again refer you to the Star Wars Coruscant paradox. Better weaponry, better defenses, more ships, and larger, well-equipped armies+Flood=mass-genocide.

Except in this scenario its worse because the 'nids and their technology is literally composed of what the Flood eats. Its like covering yourself in steak and running through the African Svannah near hyienna territory. It will not end well.

So the way I see it, the Flood might have the upper hand here.

I agree....
Also if the ships of Tyranids are tyranids themselfs then the flood can take controll of their ships as their ships are alive...

  • 08.14.2011 9:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997
I agree....
Also if the ships of Tyranids are tyranids themselfs then the flood can take controll of their ships as their ships are alive...


Couldn't resist.

That's assuming they could take control, I'd imagine the Tyranids could build up a resistance to infection eventually, and I'm unsure how it would work when infecting an organism that isn't vaguely human sized. It'd require untold thousands of infection forms, working in sync, and they'd need to find a way to penetrate the very thick carapace of the ship itself, but then again, I'm sure the Flood has other ways to effectively infect hosts, other than infection forms.
(I don't count the original powder thing used by humans which brought about the Flood in our galaxy as effective, seeing as it took generations. I'm sure this could be purged before it really did much)

  • 08.14.2011 9:38 AM PDT

The tyranid ships would have to have a sufficient nervous system to be infected, something which isn't known. I dont doubt that the hive mind would have any trouble adapting to the threat.

You guys don't seem to be mentioning the use of psykers in the tyranid army. Zoanthropes literally channel the psychic might of the hive mind into destructive or other abilities. Not to mention the 'super tyranids' which pop up now and then, and would become a lot more common with the arrival of a worth yadversary. For instance, the tyranids have the ability to be completely regenerative, as Old One Eye demonstrates.

There is also a 'super' zoanthrope strain, who's powers would render the forerunner tech, if acquired at that time, would be useless.

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  • 08.14.2011 9:49 AM PDT

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I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

When it comes to Tyranid's ability to adapt against certain things, in this example weaponry, they're fast. One quote told that tyranids, not sure if it was ground forces or fleets, they were able to become immune against weapons that were later that day useful against them.

When it comes to gaining immunity against viruses, I dont know that well. I assume, that they can do so. If not, hive mind can easily cut out the infected forces from the rest.

Posted by: DarkBen64

There is also a 'super' zoanthrope strain, who's powers would render the forerunner tech, if acquired at that time, would be useless.


This actually reminded me about the Doom of malan'tai, which is an unique zoanthrope who is able to suck the soul and psychic energy out of it's victims. Assuming that such thing exists within Flood, this could make Flood's ground forces quite useless. And since if one dies, new ones can be created.

I'll still go to this again, even though Flood's amount of warships are vast, look at the sizes of Tyranid fleets. They cover lightyears, Flood's do not. And remember, those are according the codex most likely tendrils of the main group. I still cannot see any hope for fleet's even trillion strong in space warfare.

Posted by: Fin5434p

This method would actually be available to the Flood:
Offensive Bias:
"Of my ships that had been captured, 11.3 percent of them are close enough to Mendicant's core fleet that they can be used offensively - either by initiating their self-destruct sequences, or by opening unrestricted ruptures into [slipstream space]."


Point understood and so on I admit that you're correct.

Though, I will propably give up since it's quite obvious that Flood will have upper hand IF they're able to infect Tyranid forces with ease. If not, I could see immune Tyranid forces as the winning side of this versus. Atleast this is how I see and assume to be the result of such war.

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Well you got something wrong.
Flood has no soul its just a race trying to survive...infact becoming flood is even good...as described by gravemind it is like bieing one body no sickness no feelings nothing only a goal to feed itself and thats it...it is even understandable why the flood are infecting everyting...just to survive...
And i couldnt understand what psychic powers are....is it something like mental powers ?

  • 08.14.2011 10:42 AM PDT


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Posted by: FTW 1997
I agree....
Also if the ships of Tyranids are tyranids themselfs then the flood can take controll of their ships as their ships are alive...


Couldn't resist.

That's assuming they could take control, I'd imagine the Tyranids could build up a resistance to infection eventually, and I'm unsure how it would work when infecting an organism that isn't vaguely human sized. It'd require untold thousands of infection forms, working in sync, and they'd need to find a way to penetrate the very thick carapace of the ship itself, but then again, I'm sure the Flood has other ways to effectively infect hosts, other than infection forms.
(I don't count the original powder thing used by humans which brought about the Flood in our galaxy as effective, seeing as it took generations. I'm sure this could be purged before it really did much)


Well, its been revealed that physical contact with a Flood, alive or dead, can infect you just as well. The infection forms are becoming more of a byproduct of the FSC's need to quickly swarm and make physical contact, rather then being the only way to infect.

Breathing the air of an infected area can infect you as well (spores). Do Tyranids breath?

  • 08.14.2011 10:48 AM PDT