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Subject: Tyranids vs. Zerg. vs. Flood vs. Xenomorphs vs. Necromorphs?
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Iron Benny x
Posted by: hotshot revan II

1.When there is a Gravemind then it get's transferred instantly.

2.Proof?

3.Okay

4.Thank you
But millions isn't close to trillions as someone said,unless the guy refers to individual units and not spaceships.

5.We don't know if the Gravemind already was built at 05 during the events of 04. That has bugging me too,my explanation is either that Bungie didn't had a story in mind yet that a Gravemind would appear on 05.
Read this:
http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/related/text/flood/0b36c2b2-9 0a1-474f-9d34-739ec6ccd6e3

1- Well, again, referring to the Gravemind already present on Installation 05
2- I don't have a direct quote on me, but weapons that prove effective against Tyranids rapidly decrease in effectiveness, as their biology changes to counter the damage, on a macro-organic level, not individual.
4- Millions isn't close to trillions, no, but that's one Hive Fleet, when you look at how tiny the tendrils that are actually within the galaxy are, it can be inferred that the total number could quite possibly be in the trillions upon trillions though, especially when even that galaxy map only shows the edges of the Tyranid's incoming.
5- Considering how immensely large the Gravemind was (Tendril size etc. etc.) and how short a period the Covenant and Humans were there, I assume it's been there are a heck of a long time. But, we don't really know enough to truly say much about this.

On the link, I've read the Bestarium before, I'm not quite sure why I'm being shown it here.


1.My explanation is that Bungie didn't planned the Gravemind for the story yet.Because latter sources say that the mind can control all Flood forms.

4.I saw the map and did some research,one of the big hive Fleets was defeated at some battle right.I think it's accurate enough that a single fleet is composed of millions.

5.True unless he had been feeding on non sentient life there.

I put the link of the bestiarium to show that the Flood are a single organism.

  • 08.14.2011 5:32 PM PDT

Turkey

Definitely the Zerg. Nothing can stand up to the might of the Swarm. Except for the Protoss. :P

  • 08.14.2011 5:51 PM PDT

Weapon of Oppression

Tryanids win, their fleet encompasses an entire galaxy and then some.
Each of those tendrils are pure raw concentrations of Tryanid fleets slowly making their way into the galaxy

The Tryanids are NOT limited to organic matter to reproduce and survive. They can use the raw material of entire planets, ships, and solar systems.They're so efficient at what they do that nothing goes to waste. They'll suck up the atmosphere of an enitre planet if they need to.They can consume virtually anything with mass.

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  • 08.14.2011 7:28 PM PDT
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lol.
i has teh signature!!!

Flood eat halos and planets.

Nids eat GALAXIES.

'nuff said

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  • 08.14.2011 8:52 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Every regular knows where I stand in this matter.

The reasons the Tyranids have not [b]eaten the the Galaxy yet is because then GW would have no more products to sell. Warhammer is a first and foremost a tabletop game and if the Tyranids arrived en-masse or the Necrons all awoke or Chaos decided to -blam!- everything up GW would have nothing more to sell and the series would end. Because 40k is GW's most popular model line, that can't happen. As it stand currently, the "winner" of 40k will be either Chaos, Tyranids, Necrons, and (extremely unlikely) Tau if they keep advancing.

P.S. The one pysker who survived contacting the Tyranid Hive Mind? He was an Ultramarine and was also said too be the second strongest human psyker (behind the Empy, of course). Another important thing to note is that this was stated in the codex by Matt Ward. Ward loves the Ultrasmurfs to death and makes sure they are the absolute best. Since he wrote the Vodex, it's all canon. Another thing to note, same codex where a single Ulramarine fought Khaine and won, so yes, there is some very heavy bias.

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  • 08.14.2011 8:53 PM PDT

Herro prease

Zerg because they has lurkers and the other races don't have detectors!!!!

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  • 08.14.2011 9:51 PM PDT
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Believe

My gametag is not sparda34b, it was an error, gamertag is Sparda3b.

Between Flood and Tyranid, Tyranids have been seen to be much more powerful but we haven't seen the flood at its best. From Legends(origins)we know that the Gravemind starts making flood the size of ships and stuff like that along with pure forms we have never faced(when the episode goes into the Forerunner vs Flood) also we know the Flood originated in another galaxy and left ours after the humans defeated them with that virus in Cryptum so we know they have also been to other galaxies.

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  • 08.14.2011 10:11 PM PDT
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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Flood at their height? So that comes with all that OP Forerunner tech?

If so, Flood, but Tyranids still do massive damage.

If not, then the 'nids win.

  • 08.14.2011 10:21 PM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

4.I saw the map and did some research,one of the big hive Fleets was defeated at some battle right.I think it's accurate enough that a single fleet is composed of millions.



To correct, quite many Hivefleets have been defeated by numerous ways, from the three biggest ( leviathan, behemoth, kraken ) two have suffered this fate, and all of those at very important places, aka Macragge and Iyanden.

Leviathan is still roaming and basicly -blam!- up the Octarius ork imperium and approaching Baal.

As a sidenote, everyone on this debate has ignored that Tyranid's vessels do have shield like way to defend themselves. There are massive amounts of spores around those ships and they serve as cannonfodder to block that incoming fire, atleast that's how I've imagined it.

Do Forerunner ships shoot like having lasers or single highly powerful shots?

  • 08.14.2011 10:40 PM PDT

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No doubt that a fight between all of them would be the most epic fight in history of the universe.

There are really only two forms that seem to be formidable.
The flood, and the tyranids.

The zerg seem to be extremely vulnerable to the flood, and the Tyranids.

The Xenomorphs can be easily destroyed, in my opinion, and so little is known about them. They have no assimilation or complex structures or a hive mind, they are easily defeated.

Necromorphs are a joke in this, they're pretty much just zombies. They can definitely still be infected, and damage by punches is the best they can do. They will be easily sliced up by the Tyranids.


The tyranids are formidable, as their close-range combat skills can keep many forms of the flood away, but the possibility of infection is still rather high. The flood can always find the weaker ones, and once sufficient biomass develops, the gravemind can begin to mimic's the tyranid's every move, and begin to assimilate their tactics and exploit weaknesses.

But still, it would be a long battle between tyranids and the flood.

Except... the flood would be able to infect necromorphs, xenomorphs, and after a while, the zerg. with everything attacking the tyranids, the flood could still win.

  • 08.14.2011 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

1.My explanation is that Bungie didn't planned the Gravemind for the story yet.Because latter sources say that the mind can control all Flood forms.

4.I saw the map and did some research,one of the big hive Fleets was defeated at some battle right.I think it's accurate enough that a single fleet is composed of millions.

5.True unless he had been feeding on non sentient life there.

I put the link of the bestiarium to show that the Flood are a single organism.



1- That's almost definitely the real reason, but, surely they'd have retconned some sort of explanation for this by now? Unless they just haven't considered it.

4- I realise this, but I'm trying to say that a million strong fleet (Even the big ones, like Leviathan, Behemoth etc.) is a very small part of the entire Tyranid force.

5- A possibility, aye.

  • 08.15.2011 3:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
Every regular knows where I stand in this matter.

The reasons the Tyranids have not [b]eaten the the Galaxy yet is because then GW would have no more products to sell. Warhammer is a first and foremost a tabletop game and if the Tyranids arrived en-masse or the Necrons all awoke or Chaos decided to -blam!- everything up GW would have nothing more to sell and the series would end. Because 40k is GW's most popular model line, that can't happen. As it stand currently, the "winner" of 40k will be either Chaos, Tyranids, Necrons, and (extremely unlikely) Tau if they keep advancing.



This.
A notable "issue" with the 40k universe is that a multitude of the races are described as being able to single handedly defeat the universe, if some condition was met. E.g the Orks uniting in one WAAAAGH, the Necrons waking up from their eternal slumber, the Tyranids actually getting here. However, I wouldn't agree that Chaos would ever win, it's thriving in eternal war, if it wins, it loses, if it destroys all its foes, or turns them in to thralls, then its source of emotions is vastly depleted.
But, his main point is true, if they weren't in it for profit, the Tyranids would likely have destroyed the Milky Way by now.

  • 08.15.2011 3:36 AM PDT
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I'm bothered by everyone who says that that are just the tendrils of tyranids.
Seriously....numbers in this war are always wrong....both creatures are extra galactic and it means that the tyranids would get rienforced ...
However the tyranids travel togther right ?so soon the fleet would be full over milkyway...that gives flood a plus....
Flood can travel in different directions and infect billions of galaxies...since flood is at the peek of its power...it means its stage is extragalactic and they can contact the other flood graveminds that have reached the same level (theory)and the flood would get rienforced from all directions...and maybe even some other flood group faught a stronger enemy and got its tech....and that might help against tyranids...
Also the flood FSC can make any organ it can possibly wants...so if there is a battle who has the bigger creature then flood wins....
And also ...who the -blam!- said that the flood wont activate the halo ?
They did it before...why wont they do it again ?

  • 08.15.2011 9:36 AM PDT

There is no proof that the flood have done anything outside of the galaxy. There is plenty of proof, however, of what the tyranids have done.

Learn to write without all the ... please.

The flood were discovered as a powder not known whether or not it was actually from another galaxy, it could be part of the unmapped galaxy.

Either way, the tyranid's visible hive fleets still outsize all of would be flood controlled space, and the rest of the tyranid fleets are currebty putting the galaxy in a stranglehold, so the flood CANNOT escape. Your fanboyism is showing through.

  • 08.15.2011 9:44 AM PDT
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De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship


Posted by: teekuppi

Posted by: hotshot revan II

4.I saw the map and did some research,one of the big hive Fleets was defeated at some battle right.I think it's accurate enough that a single fleet is composed of millions.



To correct, quite many Hivefleets have been defeated by numerous ways, from the three biggest ( leviathan, behemoth, kraken ) two have suffered this fate, and all of those at very important places, aka Macragge and Iyanden.

Leviathan is still roaming and basicly -blam!- up the Octarius ork imperium and approaching Baal.

As a sidenote, everyone on this debate has ignored that Tyranid's vessels do have shield like way to defend themselves. There are massive amounts of spores around those ships and they serve as cannonfodder to block that incoming fire, atleast that's how I've imagined it.

Do Forerunner ships shoot like having lasers or single highly powerful shots?


Both. Once again, I mention, that the Forerunner's weakest ship is able to mass scatter planets ALA the Death Star.

  • 08.15.2011 9:46 AM PDT

Ftw 1997: At this point, you're making stuff up.

In the same way, maybe there are massive hive fleets in other galaxies and travelling in the void between waiting to reinforce the incredibly unlikely chance that the scouting hive fleet tendrils are defeated (protip: they won't be)

Were you born in 1997? That puts you at 12-13, making you in no way fit to continue this argument. You're hardly old enough to play 40k

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  • 08.15.2011 9:47 AM PDT
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Ok you asked for it il give you horriable gammer (grammer).
Ya i cn make stff up bcuz tha stry ff flood is nt complete...nd u cnt say surly tht th flood did nt dstroy othr galxy ...
Mybe even the flood came in powdre bcuz some other 1 galaxy iz also at war wit flood nd they were risearchin them nd transperting thm?
(yss im mking stuph upp bt it can b real bcuz w3 dnt fully knw bout flood..
Now say thanks that i was speaking that way or i couldve just wrote some letters instead of full words.
And by the way you'r way of judging people is not right !
If someone knows english but not that well , then it means that he should shut up ?

  • 08.15.2011 9:55 AM PDT
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And to your old post that eldar are stronger than forerunners...i know that 4runners are stronger but if you dont belive...the precursors would pwn anyone in your 40k.
I know they have been defeated by the forerunners but that was just because they wherent ready ...they didnt even think that their child would rise up and revolt against them.

  • 08.15.2011 9:59 AM PDT
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The origin of flood is so terrified that even hearing where they are from kills...
The timeless one:The creature was discovered by humans after they colonized Charum Hakkor, contained within a capsule of Precursor origin. Despite the advanced nature of Precursor technology, the humans managed to find a way to communicate with the captive for brief periods of time. They came to regard the creature within the cell as an oracle of sorts, asking it questions in the hopes of gaining greater understanding. Most of the time, the prisoner's answers were confused or unintelligible. When the Flood first made an appearance in the Milky Way, several humans questioned the prisoner as to the nature and origin of the "disease". When the prisoner gave them an answer, the humans present were so deeply horrified that many of them committed suicide.

  • 08.15.2011 10:00 AM PDT

Hearing the info doesn't kill, they killed themselves. Any attempt to contact the hive mind results in certain death, and to this date only the strongest psyker in the galaxy has survived, aside from the emperor.

The eldar easily outclass the forerunners, just look at their warp tech, they used to control the entire galaxy and more.

That strongest psyker was also a space marine. And an ultramarine. Which anyone who knows anything about 40k knows that there is a lot of bias for the ultramarines as they are basically 40k's signature army.

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  • 08.15.2011 10:07 AM PDT

Also, chaos gods, the emperor, c'tan, necrons, tyranids, anything from the warp could beat the precursors. Tzeentch just has to sneeze and half of reality is screwed.

  • 08.15.2011 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997
And to your old post that eldar are stronger than forerunners...i know that 4runners are stronger but if you dont belive...the precursors would pwn anyone in your 40k.
I know they have been defeated by the forerunners but that was just because they wherent ready ...they didnt even think that their child would rise up and revolt against them.


If you're going to say that, then the Flood only managed to defeat the Forerunners because they weren't ready to combat its threat. It took time for the Flood to become the nigh unstoppable juggernaut that it was at the end of the war, if they'd have used overwhelming force at the outset, the Flood wouldn't have been so effective.

All we know about the Flood's extragalactic presence is that they came in on ancient cargo ships in powder form, that makes it seem more like the Flood were defeated elsewhere and are infiltrating a new galaxy, to me. In a similar vein to the Rachni (Both defeated at a collosal cost, but found later on in derelict ships)
But, it's known that the Tyranids do have a fleet of unprecedented size incoming to the galaxy, as the creators of the universe have said so.

Regardless, it seems that this discussion has descended in to speculation about the unknown, from both sides. It also seems that it's become more a -blam!- measuring contest than using proper evidence to support it."THE FL00D/4RUNN3RZ RULE!" "TYRANIDS 4 LYF!"

  • 08.15.2011 10:19 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Iron Benny x
Posted by: hotshot revan II

1.My explanation is that Bungie didn't planned the Gravemind for the story yet.Because latter sources say that the mind can control all Flood forms.

4.I saw the map and did some research,one of the big hive Fleets was defeated at some battle right.I think it's accurate enough that a single fleet is composed of millions.

5.True unless he had been feeding on non sentient life there.

I put the link of the bestiarium to show that the Flood are a single organism.



1- That's almost definitely the real reason, but, surely they'd have retconned some sort of explanation for this by now? Unless they just haven't considered it.

4- I realise this, but I'm trying to say that a million strong fleet (Even the big ones, like Leviathan, Behemoth etc.) is a very small part of the entire Tyranid force.

5- A possibility, aye.


1.No idea

4.True,but we have no idea about the scale of their full force except that it's massive,same with the Flood

There is no proof that the flood have done anything outside of the galaxy. There is plenty of proof, however, of what the tyranids have done.

There is,in the iris viral campaign it was said the Flood did this before on another place.
http://www.halopedian.com/Episode_2

Besides i'm sure Primordial will reveal the history of the Flood,Precursors and the rest,so we will have to wait for that.

When Humanity kicked the Flood out of the galaxy,they returned on biological ships which means they had to have infected another place before returning back(see my quote from soma the painter)

The flood were discovered as a powder not known whether or not it was actually from another galaxy, it could be part of the unmapped galaxy.

Either way, the tyranid's visible hive fleets still outsize all of would be flood controlled space, and the rest of the tyranid fleets are currebty putting the galaxy in a stranglehold, so the flood CANNOT escape. Your fanboyism is showing through.


It was said that those ships came from the clouds near this galaxy.

Who says the Nids already control that portion in this match?In that logic the Floood control huge portions of the galaxy too because they infected millions of worlds.

The eldar easily outclass the forerunners, just look at their warp tech, they used to control the entire galaxy and more.

Prove it and what the hell can they do with their warp,you seriously expect me to instantly know everything about them when i never read any 40k books. The wikias don't give much info either

Also, chaos gods, the emperor, c'tan, necrons, tyranids, anything from the warp could beat the precursors. Tzeentch just has to sneeze and half of reality is screwed.

LMAO you seriously have no idea what the Precursors can do.
It would take a single Precursor vessel to destroy the entire 40k forces,except the Chaos Gods maybe but then it results in a tie Gods can't be killed but Precursors neither (hint:they are gods too)


Do Forerunner ships shoot like having lasers or single highly powerful shots?


Seems like they use Hard Light weapons like those seen in Halo legends,yea they can fire single shots or combine their firepower into a beam.


Let's just close this match,nids have the numbers and Flood have the firepower.It was a good match :)

  • 08.15.2011 11:46 AM PDT

If you've read nothing on 40k then how do you expect to argue against it?

The webway and craftworlds alone are a large part of elder tech.

Necrons can't be killed, have extensive phasing technology and their guns pierce anything.

The nids are at full power, so they do control all of that space.

The emperor is using his mind alone to stop the entire universe from being engulfed by the warp.

Anything from chaos has innumerable powers. Last time I checked, no reality means no precursors, so tzeentch > precursors

  • 08.15.2011 12:30 PM PDT
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???

gonna be the zerg by far.

  • 08.15.2011 12:38 PM PDT