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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact
If you've read nothing on 40k then how do you expect to argue against it?
Um from the info i could gather on their wikia and other vs debates.
Take a look at vs debates across the net,it happens all time that one side hasn't the knowledge of the other which is why i asked to post evidence(several times in this thread)
The webway and craftworlds alone are a large part of elder tech.
Which works the same way as slipspace portals right?
Craftworlds are huge spaceships that are populated by Eldars.
I can't see how these two put the Eldar at a higher level then the 4runners. The Eldar need their craftworlds,the Forerunners just have their own planets which means they don't need to become space nomads.
Anything from chaos has innumerable powers. Last time I checked, no reality means no precursors, so tzeentch > precursors
What?Please explain ,you point doesn't makes any sense. Which recorded powers do they have and what do you mean with no reality = no precursors.
You guys don't seem to appreciate that not only can the tyranids assimilate the other 3 races, but any biomass and any other mass bar bare rock. The flood cannot. It wouldn't take long for the tyranids to evolve resistance to the infection. The tyranids, if pushed too hard, simply make several strains of 'super tyranids' such as old one eye, the doom of malan'tai and the parasite if mordrex.
You fail to understand that the Flood do use any biomass and calcium.
Hey i can play this game too:
It won't take long that the FSC becomes too powerful for the nids to develop a resistance too. The problem is you haven't provided any evidence that the nids do have an equivelant of the Flood Super Cell.Corect me if i'm wrong but nids don't infect,they assimilate so i doubt they have a virus within them
(again correct my limited knowledge if i'm wrong)
The tyranids would also evolve to be the most efficient they possibly can be at killing forerunner tech, and slowly the forerunner's weapons would get less and less effective.
So the Nids will have forms that can survive city busting weapons? Where is the prove that the nids can adapt to create a counter to any enemy,maybe someone already posted it in this thread if so then i'm sorry.
The Flood can and it has been posted here.
Also, there are billions upon billions of tyranid ships seen and unseen alone, no matter how much tech you have ( and the flood can't use forerunner tech as well as the forerunners can) there are still too many tyranids which are constantly learning weaknesses etc of the enemy.
The Flood were seen operating Forerunner tech with ease,.
You keep saying that the nids learn from the enemy,that's the exact thing the Flood do which there is evidence for but how about the nids , you keep giving them limitless powers without evidence.
ANY factions will learn weaknesses from eachother when fighting for some time,but you will have to prove that the nids can do that like the Flood do. It has been said that the nids are mindless beasts in this thread except the hive mind.
Seriously my point is where is the evidence of nids learning from their enemy like the level of the Flood
And again here is the evidence for the Flood's adaptability:
Bestiarium:
Flood biomass is composed of an undifferentiated cell type that has been labeled [marker[?]]>LF.Xx.3273_Flood_Super_Cell. The Flood Super Cell (FSC) can be loosely described as [thinking muscle[?]], and it closely resembles neurons or glial cells in structure. It has been verified on multiple occasions that the Flood have the ability to arrange these FSCs to mimic any organ they might need
Don't even get me started on psychic powers, something which the tyranids have a LOT of and would be used in incredibly large amounts after it emerges that the forerunners have no defence against psychic powers.
Last time i checked only the Hivemind could do that(from the nids society).And you have to conact it fo be exposed to these powers
The tyranids would overrun the forerunners eventually, much as the flood did, and the nids have killed equally big foes through sheer weight of numbers.
Forerunner War Sphinxes can decimate entire cities,the timeframe isn't given but that's still huge firepower we are talking about here.Considering that they are used as direct assault instead of orbital bombardement means it's in a short time.
With this firepower the War Sphinx can destroy any Nid troop it meets,add that to the fact that it's fast and can fly it means the Nids will have a hard time hitting it from the air before they are vaporised by it's weapons,even if they kill one there are still thousands of others.
Then there is also a massive sentinels that is calculated to have gigaton-teraton grade weapons(Halo legends) and their ground assests can life the crust up and turn it over.
That is what the Nids will have to face on ground,now are you going to say that the Nids will somehow survive that or will magically find weaknesses in ground assests that have crazy firepower?
A spacebattle isn't even worth discussing,the fact that they have trillions of vigilant in a single starsystem says alot.And nowwhere in Cryptum does it even says that those are tiny probes,haloepdian pulls info from it's ass again. Those are most likely automated vessels.
The Necrons can destroy anything with their guns. They can destroy anything. They break the target down to it's component atoms and rip it apart. Last time I checked, the Precursors existed in this, physical universe. Ergo, they had to be made of atoms. Atoms which the Necrons can destroy
Precursor material could survive millions of years inside the huge pressure of a crust,i won't even mention the fact that they literally have bridges that span from planet to planet or system to system. This sounds crazy but it just proves that the Precursors slap laws of physics across the face.No surprise as Greg Bear said they are Gods.,i very much doubt those Necron weapons would do what other forces failed to do.
So far only weapons like Halo can even hope do damage it.
But then again, the OP mentioned everyone is at the height of their power. This puts the 'nids above the Flood because the Flood at their height was merely a single galaxy force, whereas the Tyranids span thousands of galaxies.
Unknown as we have no idea of their origins.But with the known info the Nids do have crazy numbers. There are probably quintillions of Nid individials in the combined Hive Fleets.
Huge Problem indeed,but again the Flood have the firepower at their said because of the stolen tech so it's very diffilult to choose a winner here ,all i do know is defend the Flood but i won't say they win i call it a tie.
It also boils down to how many nids the flood can infect before the tyranids develop immunity. Sgt Johnson was basically made immune by the unsc, so the tyranids wouldn't have much trouble.
That's because Johnsons nervous system was -blam!- up,infection form couldn't access it. But again here is the big problem,it has been explained why the infection form couldn't access the nervous system but in newer canon media the Flood don't even need to access the nervous system just inject some FSC into the body and it starts to mutate. I mean look at the Chief he didn't even became a combat form ,in the new canon you have just to come in contact with the FSC you become theirs.
Do the nids have a nervous system?Matters if we were in pre 2004 but in 2011 you can bite a host and it already mutates.