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Subject: Tyranids vs. Zerg. vs. Flood vs. Xenomorphs vs. Necromorphs?

Sandemon

I'm saying flood because it take's over everything else.

  • 08.15.2011 8:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: SANDEMON5468
I'm saying flood because it take's over everything else.

Didn't you read the previous pages? We decide on a draw between the Tyranids and Flood due to massive numbers and incalculable firepower both sides posses as well as the fact there is still a lot unknown about both.

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  • 08.15.2011 8:16 PM PDT

someone said earlier that everything in the 40k universe is on steroids.

Pretty much lol.

  • 08.15.2011 9:08 PM PDT

Both the tyranids and the flood were both defeated in "Limited" engagements by humans.

In the events of Halo 3, the flood were exterminated on the african continent by the elites glassing the area in which they were.

But during the events of Dawn of War 2 and its subsequent dlcs, the plant of Typhon was glasses in the Exterminatus by the Inquisition. But during a mission after the Exterminatus, tyranids survived to fight on.


But since both consume bio-mass, the war wouldnt end if contained on a planet. PLus both are driven by the single "will" to consume all nearby bio-mass and in the case of the tyranids, everything.

But in space the tyranids would have superiority because the flood only had ships during the Flood-Forerunner war because they infested the Forerunner ships. The tyranids do not have ships to infest. Their ships are specialized organisms, which are only space "vessels". So on the slim chance that a flood infection form can infect one of those, the ship would be severed from the connection with the Hive Mind and the nearby ships would destroy it

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

The African infestation as wells the Auraliean infestation were both small in comparisin too other engagements. The African infestation was a single ship and the Auraliean infestation was a small hive fleet that was defeated in a way not seen before or since. Both were unique circumstances and are not representative of the forces as a whole, nor the tactics used to combat them.

  • 08.15.2011 9:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
The African infestation as wells the Auraliean infestation were both small in comparisin too other engagements. The African infestation was a single ship and the Auraliean infestation was a small hive fleet that was defeated in a way not seen before or since. Both were unique circumstances and are not representative of the forces as a whole, nor the tactics used to combat them.


This is what im saying. In extremely small numbers, microscopic numbers, compared to the entirety of the species, both can be defeated.

  • 08.15.2011 9:38 PM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

The eldar easily outclass the forerunners, just look at their warp tech, they used to control the entire galaxy and more.

Prove it and what the hell can they do with their warp,you seriously expect me to instantly know everything about them when i never read any 40k books. The wikias don't give much info either


They can't do anything special, because their souls will get in quite a danger due Slaanesh's existence and nature in the warp.

It's their webways that are unique for their tech, which has literally nothing to do with warp.

Eldar aren't close to Forerunners, that is something that I admit, mostly just because I hate wrong information.

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Also, chaos gods, the emperor, c'tan, necrons, tyranids, anything from the warp could beat the precursors. Tzeentch just has to sneeze and half of reality is screwed.

LMAO you seriously have no idea what the Precursors can do.
It would take a single Precursor vessel to destroy the entire 40k forces,except the Chaos Gods maybe but then it results in a tie Gods can't be killed but Precursors neither (hint:they are gods too)


I call this bs. Necrons are able to do so because of the nature of gauss weaponry. Things done with warp are able to mess Precursor's fleets so well that it's not even funny, mostly because they don't have any warp technology. Laws of nature dont matter there, if you'll go to Maze of Tzeentch or Garden of Nurgle, your precious ships will surely find something that will destroy those ships.

Also, Tzeentch is able to make the whole 40k win Precursors. At the point any of precursor vessels have been encountered, knowledge of them can be found from Maze of Tzeentch from Hidden library.

Great, now we know all your weaknesses and how you can be defeated. Forge of souls and numerous forge worlds inside Eye of Terror can now continue mass producing weaponry that will work against your Precursors. Assuming that we are talking about fighting Haloverse, let's say, could 10 Halo arrays be enough?

Or a bit more, just for fun.

Sure, such would never happen in 40k. Now it does, because finding few proper words to support this theory makes defeating Haloverse, oh so easy.

Posted by: hotshot revan II

It has been said that the nids are mindless beasts in this thread except the hive mind.



You ignored the existence of Synapse creatures, so you're not right.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

A spacebattle isn't even worth discussing,the fact that they have trillions of vigilant in a single starsystem says alot.And nowwhere in Cryptum does it even says that those are tiny probes,haloepdian pulls info from it's ass again. Those are most likely automated vessels.



Yet, Tyranid's fleet's still have ranger weaponry that is so powerfull to bring down shields of ships that able to survive planet cracking firepower.

Tyranids have the numbers, and they have proper weaponry to fight against Flood's forces. I fail to see how their victory isn't worth discussing.

When we go and talk about sentinels, we have also numbers and weaponry.

Assuming that I remember correctly anything from BFG's fluff, such ranged weaponry exists and should not be ignored. Though, I dont claim that Tyranids have superior firepower.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Don't even get me started on psychic powers, something which the tyranids have a LOT of and would be used in incredibly large amounts after it emerges that the forerunners have no defence against psychic powers.

Last time i checked only the Hivemind could do that(from the nids society).And you have to conact it fo be exposed to these powers


There a multiple species in Tyranid fleets that are able to use psychic powers.

And? Being exposed isn't that big deal, atleast for tyranids for my knowledge and logic.

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  • 08.15.2011 9:41 PM PDT

I admire its purity. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of mortality. Perfect organism.
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Posted by: TOMahawk7890
Necromorphs, especially if they had every type

The flood would infect the necromorphs, not to mention that the necromorphs are more like beasts where the flood is intelligent because of the gravemind and consuming the knowledge of all they infect.


Xenomorphs are by far the coolest, but locked in one shape they would be at a severe disadvantage.

Zerg are constantly evolving in form and would put up quiet the fight and a fight between zerg and flood would probably last a long time and be entierly about controlling the larger amount of biomass. I believe the flood would win this, even if it would be hard because of the greater controlling mind and flood being better at taking punishment as even a pile of flesh can be turned into something great where they are concerned.

Tyranids I do not know much about soo they are the one ''race'' I'm unsure if the flood could beat.
According to Guilty Spark in Halo CE, the Flood are intelligent whether on not they have built a Gravemind.

  • 08.15.2011 10:04 PM PDT

deffinetly the zerg they have air units, and similar to the flood "one spoor could wipe out an entire planet" but the zerg wait until they mass numbers and wipe out everything, also similar to the flood is they are mostly controled by a large hive, the hive is a sentient being and could easily take over a gravemind.

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I find it stupid that you made it a draw...because nids have numbers....
Firstly the flood HAVE infected other galaxies ... That is said in some previous post Where when the flood is met by 4runners they where IN biological ships it means FLOOD DOES HAVE TRILLIONS OR EVEN MORE FORCES OUTSIDE THE GALAXY im really tierd of repeating....
really i have said it so many times and the 40k fans kept saying that they have the numbers ...seriously STFU because you cant prove that the flood cant be equal to tyranids...To those who say that the flood cannot know anything about the nids via infection then ur a -blam- idiot...because since they are mindless beasts...they are controlled by the hivemind once the flood infects a nid it gets the info from the hivemind without even infecting it...its obviouse seriously...
Has anyone noticed how ignorant the 40k fans are ?
And no the precursors tech is almost not known at all so it gives them a perfect chance to kick ass of the 40k speicies...
Its unfair why the flood should be even to the tyranids ....
When the flood have both knowledge-firepower-numbers....

  • 08.16.2011 10:19 AM PDT

Once the flood infects a tyranid the Hive mind releases it's grasp and so the flood lean nothing, assuming tyranids are infectable in the first place.

There is far more proof of tyranid numbers than there is flood, and at this point there are still more tyranids than flood.

I don't agree with the draw, personally I think that the tyranids would easily win the war of attrition as they can adapt easier and there are far more.

The 40k fans aren't being ignorant, flood fanboys like you are.

The tyranids have huge amounts of firepower also, as well as more numbers and more knowledge.

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  • 08.16.2011 10:38 AM PDT

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7

Here's a twist...

Let's throw in the ol' "Precursors made Flood" theory. So in that case, the Flood managed to overthrow the Precursors. The Precursors, as we all know, were an Intergalactic species that make the Forerunners tech look medieval. So, if we're really talking about at the height of the Floods power, then lets forget how strong they were when they assimilated the Forerunners. Instead, lets imagine how many ships and how much technology they had when they overtook the Precursors.

Although this all relies on the Precursor - Flood theory, it's a fairly safe bet. As both Precursors and the Flood were Intergalactic, so they must've encountered each other. And even if you argue that the Precursors didn't make the Flood, they were most likely still destroyed by them. A race like the Precursors doesn't just end in the blink of an eye. And the only other being in the Halo Universe that we know could destroy an advanced alien society? The Flood.

So, Flood at their Precursor War strength Vs Tyranids? Obviously we don't know the amount of ships the Precursors had or how many the Flood captured, but we do know they were both Intergalactic, so most like many times larger than the Forerunner/Flood amount of ships.

Precursor Flood > Tyranids.

  • 08.16.2011 11:16 AM PDT

Except I'm pretty sure we know that the forerunners overthrew the precursors.

If that's not true, then what happened to the flood afterwards and how did the forerunners establish civilisation?

I'll also add that we don't know how many other tyranids there are outside of the galaxy other than the fleets that we know have a stranglehold on the milky way. We don't know their origins, either.

I could argue in the same way that the tyranids are extragalactic and intergalactic, then they could be equally powerful.

Also, if the precursors are such gods as everyone makes out they are, I seriously doubt that the flood could render them extinct.

  • 08.16.2011 11:27 AM PDT

I call this bs. Necrons are able to do so because of the nature of gauss weaponry. Things done with warp are able to mess Precursor's fleets so well that it's not even funny, mostly because they don't have any warp technology. Laws of nature dont matter there, if you'll go to Maze of Tzeentch or Garden of Nurgle, your precious ships will surely find something that will destroy those ships.

This entire post is made of assumptions. Precursor material is, by definition, indestructible. You can go on halo.xbox.com and look under Forerunner primer for "Precursors"; see for yourself.

The only weapon in the history of science fiction that can destroy Precursor material is Halo, (or other Precursor-tech weaponry). The entire combined firepower of the Imperium's ships all firing at a slab of Preursor material at the exact same time would not dent it. If you want to assume things about the weaponry of the Necrons ability to attack Precursor material, I can just as well assume the Precursor's neural weaponry can destroy the soul, thus destroying the Necrons. And yes, that is backed up by evidence pertaining to the nature of Neural Physics, that the consciousness, or soul, is destroyed, if struck by a Neural weapon, like Halo.

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And i just noticed that we are entering the other spiecies into the war like humans forerunners and eldar and etc etc...
And darkben as u said there are stronger spiecies then the precursors in the warhammer universe.
Since we are mixing both universes up then the flood CAN infect them and use their tech against tyranids...WHICH gives the flood a HUGE plus ...and no i have been constantly posting info on almost every page of this thread and non of the warhammer fans have ever answered me or some other members that did give proove !
So you are the one ignorant...

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That was just a theory it isnt proven but it is likely to take stage in the plot of some halo book or game in the future due to its possibility...
And it is not nessecery that if the flood takes over a race (like they did with forerunners)that there is no survivers...
IN anyway there must be someone who isnt infected....that has went outside the galaxy...to rebuild...start again...what was lost in flood war...and maybe come back and eliminate the old enemy...

  • 08.16.2011 11:34 AM PDT


Posted by: DarkBen64
Once the flood infects a tyranid the Hive mind releases it's grasp and so the flood lean nothing, assuming tyranids are infectable in the first place.

There is far more proof of tyranid numbers than there is flood, and at this point there are still more tyranids than flood.

I don't agree with the draw, personally I think that the tyranids would easily win the war of attrition as they can adapt easier and there are far more.

The 40k fans aren't being ignorant, flood fanboys like you are.

The tyranids have huge amounts of firepower also, as well as more numbers and more knowledge.


Again, you are blatantly ignoring the intelligence of the Gravemind. The only thing in this post that I agree with is that the 'Nids have more numbers, and even then, Forerunner Flood are comparable.

Still, you ignore the existence of the Flood Super Cell's equal adaptibility, the near infinite cognitive prowess of the GM, the already concluded-to-be superior fire power of the Forerunners, and the monstrosities the Flood can create on a whim.

  • 08.16.2011 11:35 AM PDT

Firstly, tyranids don't have tech.

Secondly, all you've been saying is that flood can infect tyranids, when we know that tyranids can adapt to ANY THREAT

  • 08.16.2011 11:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkBen64
Except I'm pretty sure we know that the forerunners overthrew the precursors.

That's still up to debate. It's either the Flood overtook them or something mysterious.

If that's not true, then what happened to the flood afterwards and how did the forerunners establish civilisation?
Well the flood could have been dormant in other galaxies, or traveling from galaxy to galaxy. There is a lot of space out there, it'd take them a while to find one specific galaxy with advanced life. Forerunners built up their empire as the Flood was not in the galaxy at the time.

I'll also add that we don't know how many other tyranids there are outside of the galaxy other than the fleets that we know have a stranglehold on the milky way. We don't know their origins, either.
True. Same goes with the Precursor though.

I could argue in the same way that the tyranids are extragalactic and intergalactic, then they could be equally powerful.
Yes. It's up to debate of course.

Also, if the precursors are such gods as everyone makes out they are, I seriously doubt that the flood could render them extinct.
That's the thing. The Flood assimilate the Precursors knowledge into their own. They use it against them. When the Flood attack a technologically advanced empire, they get the technology and can use it against them. That's why they couldn't win against the Humans. They didn't have almighty and powerful weapons, they just had the projectile weapons that they got from dead humans. In theory, a less technologically advanced civilization would fair better against the flood than beings such as the Precursors, Forerunner or Tyranids.

  • 08.16.2011 11:42 AM PDT

And you are ignoring the intelligence and sheer power of the hive mind, who is more powerful than the gravemind in psychic powers alone.

  • 08.16.2011 11:43 AM PDT

And again, the tyranids don't have tech!

The tyranid guns are actually tyranids.
The bullets they fire, are tyranids.

Their ships, tyranids. There is no technology to steal and use against them.

  • 08.16.2011 11:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkBen64
And you are ignoring the intelligence and sheer power of the hive mind, who is more powerful than the gravemind in psychic powers alone.

How do you know this? Give citations, because that is pure opinion. I could cite many instances of how the Gravemind deceived AI's, people and groups. Along with managing millions and millions of ships. And if we talk about the Precursor times, the Gravemind managed ships all across the Universe. (As the Flood are known to be intergalactic)

Posted by: DarkBen64
And again, the tyranids don't have tech!

The tyranid guns are actually tyranids.
The bullets they fire, are tyranids.

Their ships, tyranids. There is no technology to steal and use against them.


Well the flood feed off and assimilate biological organisms...? That makes it worse for the Tyranids, as a single spore could take over a ship. Thats easy pickings for the Flood.

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  • 08.16.2011 11:49 AM PDT


Posted by: DarkBen64
And you are ignoring the intelligence and sheer power of the hive mind, who is more powerful than the gravemind in psychic powers alone.


No, I'm not doubting the Hive Mind's intelligence, and obviously superior psychic powers (though GM has some of his own). I'm doubting the fanboyish spewing of the "Hive Mind>Gravemind because I say so" argument.

You've seen the calculation of Cortana. As another poster put it "the number is so high that it has become meaningless." And Gravemind still hacked her. He did the same with Medicant Bias, who was vastly superior to Cortana in every way, though of course it took longer, differences in situations not withstanding.

What the GM lacks in psychic powers, he makes up for in raw I.Q. He'd be able to calculate the odds of different attacks and strategies of his opponent, all of them, and finish it off with a countering-strategy. Add onto the fact that he can't actually die, considering he has no real corporeal body, existing only as a consciousness. So unless the Tyranids have a sudden Precursor-tech weapon that could theoretically erase the consciousness from reality (something which, by the way, even a Precursor-tech weapon already couldn't do. Twice. Maybe three times) I don't see how the GM can be actually stopped and killed.

So, the only logical consclusion is that the war is a draw. Both sides are infnitely adaptable, if by way of creating an immunity or by creating a new strain of combat creatures, both sides have inimaginable mind-powers, be it psychic or intelligence, both sides have impossibly strong armies (Tyranids numbers, Flood firepower) and are overall evenly matched.

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Posted by: DarkBen64
And you are ignoring the intelligence and sheer power of the hive mind, who is more powerful than the gravemind in psychic powers alone.

How do you know this? Give citations, because that is pure opinion. I could cite many instances of how the Gravemind deceived AI's, people and groups. Along with managing millions and millions of ships. And if we talk about the Precursor times, the Gravemind managed ships all across the Universe. (As the Flood are known to be intergalactic)

Posted by: DarkBen64
And again, the tyranids don't have tech!

The tyranid guns are actually tyranids.
The bullets they fire, are tyranids.

Their ships, tyranids. There is no technology to steal and use against them.


Well the flood feed off and assimilate biological organisms...? That makes it worse for the Tyranids, as a single spore could take over a ship. Thats easy pickings for the Flood.

Thats what i was saying and even more.
Ben:you where so ignorant you dont even know what im talking about.
And yes if everything the tyranids have is a living organism...then every ship....every tyranid...every hivemind can get infected by the flood...
Nuff said flood win...

  • 08.16.2011 12:03 PM PDT