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Subject: Tyranids vs. Zerg. vs. Flood vs. Xenomorphs vs. Necromorphs?

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7

What I still don't get is the "Tyranids have no weaponry, everything is biological" argument. How in any way does that help the Tyranids? If a ship is made out of Tyranids, then a single flood spore could assimilate the ship and anything inside it. How is the biology part suppose to help the Tyranids?

  • 08.16.2011 12:06 PM PDT


Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Posted by: DarkBen64
And you are ignoring the intelligence and sheer power of the hive mind, who is more powerful than the gravemind in psychic powers alone.

How do you know this? Give citations, because that is pure opinion. I could cite many instances of how the Gravemind deceived AI's, people and groups. Along with managing millions and millions of ships. And if we talk about the Precursor times, the Gravemind managed ships all across the Universe. (As the Flood are known to be intergalactic)

Posted by: DarkBen64
And again, the tyranids don't have tech!

The tyranid guns are actually tyranids.
The bullets they fire, are tyranids.

Their ships, tyranids. There is no technology to steal and use against them.


Well the flood feed off and assimilate biological organisms...? That makes it worse for the Tyranids, as a single spore could take over a ship. Thats easy pickings for the Flood.


According to the Forerunners, a single spore could take over a planet. Or "destroy a species."

That begs the question, how seriously roided out were the Flood during the Forerunner war that the Forerunners--with ship weapons in hundreds of terratons strong, the usage of stars as space-grenades and infantry mech suits capable of demolishing a continent--could not kill a single Flood spore and instead found the only option being the death star-ing of the entire planet. Or even star, sacrificing untold millions or billions, depending on the planet.

This is what is referred to as "True" Flood, the kind of Flood the community, and myself, are bothing hoping desperately to see, and are terrified of seeing, in Halo 4, 5, and 6.

  • 08.16.2011 12:08 PM PDT

The gravemind doesn't have psychic powers. Communicating with the hive mind ends up with you being killed by his sheer power. He more than likely manages more beings. Also, I'm pretty sure there's more than one gravemind, making the hivemind more powerful.

A spore most certainly not could constantly rely on taking over a ship with spores, because tyranids can develop a resistance in a matter of hours. Tyranids also have extremely unique biology, making infection harder still.

  • 08.16.2011 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: SociallyPsyco
What I still don't get is the "Tyranids have no weaponry, everything is biological" argument. How in any way does that help the Tyranids? If a ship is made out of Tyranids, then a single flood spore could assimilate the ship and anything inside it. How is the biology part suppose to help the Tyranids?


Its actually negating his argument. A machine race like the Terminators have a significantly easier chance against the Flood then a race whose technology is made entirely out of what the Flood eats

  • 08.16.2011 12:09 PM PDT
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It gets a resistance in a matter of hours...
The flood gets controll in a few mins.

  • 08.16.2011 12:14 PM PDT

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
According to the Forerunners, a single spore could take over a planet. Or "destroy a species."

That begs the question, how seriously roided out were the Flood during the Forerunner war that the Forerunners--with ship weapons in hundreds of terratons strong, the usage of stars as space-grenades and infantry mech suits capable of demolishing a continent--could not kill a single Flood spore and instead found the only option being the death star-ing of the entire planet. Or even star, sacrificing untold millions or billions, depending on the planet.
This is the Flood we talk about. People arguing against the Flood think of the Flood as the mindless ones we saw on Halo. Or the smarter and stronger ones, but yet still relatively dumb ones we saw on the Ark. The true Flood are the ones the Forerunners fought. They were all genius and dangerous. Some the size of cities. You could be infected by just breathing contaminated air.

This is what is referred to as "True" Flood, the kind of Flood the community, and myself, are bothing hoping desperately to see, and are terrified of seeing, in Halo 4, 5, and 6.
Yes. I would play a whole Halo game about the Flood as long as they're as intelligent and as dangerous as they were said to be during the Forerunner - Flood war.

  • 08.16.2011 12:16 PM PDT

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Benjamin!

First of all, I resent being referred to as "Warhammer fan", I'm more of a Halo fan than 40k, so shush.

Also, I'm pretty sure the reason it was called a draw was because the debate's going nowhere now, and DarkBen64 and FTW 1997 are fan-boying it up for the respective "sides", and also because it began (and evidently still is) descending in to the realms of the unknown.

  • 08.16.2011 12:18 PM PDT

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7


Posted by: DarkBen64
The gravemind doesn't have psychic powers. Communicating with the hive mind ends up with you being killed by his sheer power. He more than likely manages more beings. Also, I'm pretty sure there's more than one gravemind, making the hivemind more powerful.

Gravemind.. does have psychic powers? It can command and control every Flood in existence. Down to a small spore. The Gravemind doesn't kill the people it talks to. No, it does something much worse. It uses its intelligence to deceive who its talking to. It can outsmart AI's and Spartans. And there is one Gravemind, throughout the whole history. He literally doesn't die as long as there is a single spore left.

A spore most certainly not could constantly rely on taking over a ship with spores, because tyranids can develop a resistance in a matter of hours. Tyranids also have extremely unique biology, making infection harder still.
The Gravemind can change the biological components of the Flood. He could mutate just as fast as the Tyranids could develop a resistance. So it's probably a draw.

Posted by: Iron Benny x
Also, I'm pretty sure the reason it was called a draw was because the debate's going nowhere now, and DarkBen64 and FTW 1997 are fan-boying it up for the respective "sides", and also because it began (and evidently still is) descending in to the realms of the unknown.

Also, this.

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  • 08.16.2011 12:22 PM PDT
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You cannot call me a fan for telling the truth...i didnt act ignorant...i call those 'fans' that ignore other posts that answer them.
You where certainly not one of them.
And as psycho said it can change everything in the flood...maybe even making the flood look like tyranids...

  • 08.16.2011 12:36 PM PDT

I'm only continuing to back up this argument because what we do know puts the tyranids at a distinct advantage.

If the tyranids become immune, then the FSC cannot assimilate and learn how they became immune so the flood cannot adapt to attempt to reinfect tyranids.

The biological argument comes from the fact that the humans beat the flood because they don't have strong tech to be used against them. The tyranids have no tech, because everything is a tyranid, so they can't be used against themselves.

  • 08.16.2011 12:37 PM PDT
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The flood FSC cell would find a way to infect the host anyway !
As you said before johnson HAD imunity to flood...that is not true as said...it was just a lie from ONI to get away from the newly revealed spartan program...
You may ask:then how did johnson survive when they first met the flood with keys.
Answer:sgt johnson wasnt with the captain when they opend up the lock he was on surface...as we can see him with a squad of marines when you exit the underground lab.

  • 08.16.2011 12:43 PM PDT

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Benjamin!

Grrrrrrr, stop this madness! It's over!
Also, Johnson was with the Captain, he's on the video footage, and there's a short graphic novel story which shows him escaping the facility, and again, he is immune because of the Orion Project.

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  • 08.16.2011 12:47 PM PDT

My Grandfather was a Desert Ranger, my Father was a Veteran Ranger in the NCR. My father was killed by Caesar's Legion and they took my Brother. It's now my responsibility to uphold the mantle of the Rangers and avenge my Father and find my Brother.

The Flood. They can infect the other races and take over ships.

  • 08.16.2011 12:53 PM PDT
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Ok i have reread....i apologize for trubling you.

Posted by: Iron Benny x
Grrrrrrr, stop this madness! It's over!
Also, Johnson was with the Captain, he's on the video footage, and there's a short graphic novel story which shows him escaping the fascility, and again, he is immune because of the Orion Project.

  • 08.16.2011 12:55 PM PDT

Please don't hype for games...
They'll just fall short of your expectations and you'll complain for months.

Option 6. Plain old zombies.

  • 08.16.2011 12:58 PM PDT
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Read this page...
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Boren%27s_Syndrome
he wasnt sick actually...and he might have escaped without flood infecting him.

  • 08.16.2011 12:59 PM PDT

Just casually going to leave this thread now, there aren't enough people who know 40k well enough, just plenty of halo fanboys using completely unheard of and unconfirmed theories as arguments. As well as people trying to use the same point again and again without taking into consideration tyranid abilities.

  • 08.16.2011 1:28 PM PDT
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It was completely unesseceray to call me a fan boy however since you did and you are a 40k fan boy can i ask you wtf are you doing here ?

  • 08.16.2011 1:36 PM PDT

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7

Posted by: DarkBen64
Just casually going to leave this thread now, there aren't enough people who know 40k well enough, just plenty of halo fanboys using completely unheard of and unconfirmed theories as arguments. As well as people trying to use the same point again and again without taking into consideration tyranid abilities.

If you've read the theories, you'd be surprised. They're really good and solid theories. Plus, everything Forerunner that we've said is based on fact, just not Precursor. You can't call someone a Halo fanboy if they actually give evidence and facts and theories to back up their argument. Just because they think the Flood will win doesn't make them a fanboy, unless they say something like "Flood would win, eat everything /thread."

  • 08.16.2011 1:38 PM PDT

For a start, i play halo more than 40k and don't play tyranids inside of 40k, that hardly qualifies me as a fanboy, especially when I have been consistently coming out with facts and abilities pertaining to the discussion.

Secondly, ftw didn't do much in the line of not-being-a-fanboy. Most of his arguments were 'but the FSC can infect everything and get through any defences and adapt constantly and the fact that sgt Johnson was immune doesn't make a difference'

Not to mention his blind exaggeration at times, as well as trying to convince me that the forerunners have more ships than a hive fleet has gaunts as well as trying to out argue me on the precursor point of view. There is a whole lot more background fluff on the tyranids, let me tell you that, which is why it's annoying when floodians start pulling figures and events out of thin air because I'm trying to combat it with known tyranid facts.

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  • 08.16.2011 1:48 PM PDT

I can only please one person per day.

Today isn't your day.

Tomorrow isn't looking too good either.

Pre-Heart of the Swarm, I would've said the Zerg because of their natural tendencies and abilities being combined that they're being led by the Queen #$%^&* of Gaming, Sarah Kerrigan.

However, since the Zerg no longer being led by Kerrigan I have to go with the Flood, since they can still form another central intelligence and their own natural abilities outpace the others, save for the Tyranids.

  • 08.16.2011 1:48 PM PDT

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7

Posted by: DarkBen64

I know, I know. I was not accusing anyone of being a fanboy. Just throwing some info out there.

  • 08.16.2011 1:49 PM PDT

While I'm at it, ftw didn't supply a single piece of evidence, preferring just to laugh at anyone who thought that the tyranids could evolve against the FSC.

Which, for the last time, they can.

  • 08.16.2011 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Paragon Fury
Pre-Heart of the Swarm, I would've said the Zerg because of their natural tendencies and abilities being combined that they're being led by the Queen #$%^&* of Gaming, Sarah Kerrigan.

However, since the Zerg no longer being led by Kerrigan I have to go with the Flood, since they can still form another central intelligence and their own natural abilities outpace the others, save for the Tyranids.


The Zerg are basically tyranids on a smaller scale, considering tyranids inspired Zerg, but while Zerg are sector wide, tyranids are intergalactic.

I'm curious to know why you pick flood instead of tyranids when you state that the tyranids outpace the flood. Also, the tyranids have a central intelligence, one that has a high probability of being far more powerful. While I'm at it, the hive mind can't be killed. The tyranids will never need a new one.

EDIT: Kerrigan is still evil in heart of the swarm, she tries to kill raynor and escapes.

[Edited on 08.16.2011 1:58 PM PDT]

  • 08.16.2011 1:56 PM PDT
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Umm no i didnt...I did give out some facts as in quotes...
And no im no fan boy i prefer call of duty mw...
And you where the one who kept saying that the tyranids could adapt anything and ignoring most of the people...
Seriously i havent even said that flood>tyranids.
And this argument started because someone would not agree and kept saying about how mighty the fleet was...
However il let this argument go away as i dont want to get extra trouble on my shoulders...

  • 08.16.2011 1:59 PM PDT