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  • 08.15.2011 9:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Johnson is a SPARTAN-I, so you can draw your own conclusion from that, because he's a normal Marine. I mean, just look at the "Quid Quo Pro" cutscene in Halo 3. Then look at Noble Six in the last cutscene of Lone Wolf.

Noble Six was one of the few Spartan IIIs (as well as the rest of Noble Team) who possessed the qualities that would have allowed him/her to be in the Spartan II project. Noble Team did not undergo the same augmentations (biological and non-) as the rest of the Spartan IIIs. I don't think they should be included in this debate because although they are technically SIIIs they are more akin to SIIs.
The rest of the Spartan IIIs (almost all of them, and there were thousands) were slaughtered by the Covenant. A much, much larger percentage of Spartan Is survived against the Covenant for a much longer time period. Avery Jr. Johnson was the first man to fire upon the Covenant. He continued to fight them for almost 20 years and saw the end of thje war.

  • 08.15.2011 10:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Johnson is a SPARTAN-I, so you can draw your own conclusion from that, because he's a normal Marine. I mean, just look at the "Quid Quo Pro" cutscene in Halo 3. Then look at Noble Six in the last cutscene of Lone Wolf.

Noble Six was one of the few Spartan IIIs (as well as the rest of Noble Team) who possessed the qualities that would have allowed him/her to be in the Spartan II project. Noble Team did not undergo the same augmentations (biological and non-) as the rest of the Spartan IIIs. I don't think they should be included in this debate because although they are technically SIIIs they are more akin to SIIs.
The rest of the Spartan IIIs (almost all of them, and there were thousands) were slaughtered by the Covenant. A much, much larger percentage of Spartan Is survived against the Covenant for a much longer time period. Avery Jr. Johnson was the first man to fire upon the Covenant. He continued to fight them for almost 20 years and saw the end of thje war.


Wrong in several ways.

A: It's never said how many S3's had the S2 genes. However I'd see there being a good number as those would be picked first for the requirements.
B: Noble Team received the exact same augmentations as the rest of the S3's. Just face it, the S3 augmentations produced the same results with none of the risks.
C: Okay, and the point of that is? Also Johnson is one of the three known S1 people (Him, Mendez, and the fellow sarge in contact harvest). I wouldn't say "A larger percent survived the entire war because we know of only 3 of them, out of the 300 S1/orion project subjects."

  • 08.15.2011 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Johnson is a SPARTAN-I, so you can draw your own conclusion from that, because he's a normal Marine. I mean, just look at the "Quid Quo Pro" cutscene in Halo 3. Then look at Noble Six in the last cutscene of Lone Wolf.

  • 08.15.2011 10:52 PM PDT

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  • 08.15.2011 11:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Johnson is a SPARTAN-I, so you can draw your own conclusion from that, because he's a normal Marine. I mean, just look at the "Quid Quo Pro" cutscene in Halo 3. Then look at Noble Six in the last cutscene of Lone Wolf.

Noble Six was one of the few Spartan IIIs (as well as the rest of Noble Team) who possessed the qualities that would have allowed him/her to be in the Spartan II project. Noble Team did not undergo the same augmentations (biological and non-) as the rest of the Spartan IIIs. I don't think they should be included in this debate because although they are technically SIIIs they are more akin to SIIs.
The rest of the Spartan IIIs (almost all of them, and there were thousands) were slaughtered by the Covenant. A much, much larger percentage of Spartan Is survived against the Covenant for a much longer time period. Avery Jr. Johnson was the first man to fire upon the Covenant. He continued to fight them for almost 20 years and saw the end of thje war.


Wrong in several ways.

A: It's never said how many S3's had the S2 genes. However I'd see there being a good number as those would be picked first for the requirements.
B: Noble Team received the exact same augmentations as the rest of the S3's. Just face it, the S3 augmentations produced the same results with none of the risks.
C: Okay, and the point of that is? Also Johnson is one of the three known S1 people (Him, Mendez, and the fellow sarge in contact harvest). I wouldn't say "A larger percent survived the entire war because we know of only 3 of them, out of the 300 S1/orion project subjects."

A: I never said how many SIIIs there were that had the 's2 genes' as you say.
B. I think you need to replay Halo Reach and re-read Ghosts of Onyx. The whole point of the SIII program was the cheapness and expendibility of it all. It was the number of the SIIIs that was to overwelm the Covenant (and yet they still failed), where as the SIIs were only few (I think around 30) yet survived missions with impossible odds. Noble Team do not match the description of the rest of the SIIIs. My guess is that after they rounded each group of SIII children they would spend a certain amount of the money they had on recreating SII-like Spartans, and Noble Team along with others were selected.
C. Firstly there were other SIs that people know of. I don't know them, but I am sure you could find them on that Halo wikia. The thing is these three men we do know of fought in some pretty tough missions for a whole twenty years- where as thousands of SIIIs died on their first attempt at a mission.

  • 08.16.2011 1:39 AM PDT

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  • 08.16.2011 1:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Johnson is a SPARTAN-I, so you can draw your own conclusion from that, because he's a normal Marine. I mean, just look at the "Quid Quo Pro" cutscene in Halo 3. Then look at Noble Six in the last cutscene of Lone Wolf.

Noble Six was one of the few Spartan IIIs (as well as the rest of Noble Team) who possessed the qualities that would have allowed him/her to be in the Spartan II project. Noble Team did not undergo the same augmentations (biological and non-) as the rest of the Spartan IIIs. I don't think they should be included in this debate because although they are technically SIIIs they are more akin to SIIs.
The rest of the Spartan IIIs (almost all of them, and there were thousands) were slaughtered by the Covenant. A much, much larger percentage of Spartan Is survived against the Covenant for a much longer time period. Avery Jr. Johnson was the first man to fire upon the Covenant. He continued to fight them for almost 20 years and saw the end of thje war.


Wrong in several ways.

A: It's never said how many S3's had the S2 genes. However I'd see there being a good number as those would be picked first for the requirements.
B: Noble Team received the exact same augmentations as the rest of the S3's. Just face it, the S3 augmentations produced the same results with none of the risks.
C: Okay, and the point of that is? Also Johnson is one of the three known S1 people (Him, Mendez, and the fellow sarge in contact harvest). I wouldn't say "A larger percent survived the entire war because we know of only 3 of them, out of the 300 S1/orion project subjects."

A: I never said how many SIIIs there were that had the 's2 genes' as you say.
B. I think you need to replay Halo Reach and re-read Ghosts of Onyx. The whole point of the SIII program was the cheapness and expendibility of it all. It was the number of the SIIIs that was to overwelm the Covenant (and yet they still failed), where as the SIIs were only few (I think around 30) yet survived missions with impossible odds. Noble Team do not match the description of the rest of the SIIIs. My guess is that after they rounded each group of SIII children they would spend a certain amount of the money they had on recreating SII-like Spartans, and Noble Team along with others were selected.
C. Firstly there were other SIs that people know of. I don't know them, but I am sure you could find them on that Halo wikia. The thing is these three men we do know of fought in some pretty tough missions for a whole twenty years- where as thousands of SIIIs died on their first attempt at a mission.


I like the part were you said "My guess" the thing is most of what you're syaing is just pure specualtion.

Firstly you are wrong, there is a VERY few amount of S-I's that fought in the Covenant war, the only that we know of for sure are the ones mentiond by Cmdr DeaFaron. Sure they fought in very tough fights (Except Mendez who was probably training S-III's most of the time) but they were never put in impossible situations with little to no survival. I don't think you quite understand just how dangerous the S-III's missions were...they suicide missions after all. Put a S-I in a S-III's position in ANY of their suicide mission and he would probably be the first to die. The main enemy that S-I's faced was terrorists not Covenant, so they were not trained to fight the Covenant whereas I'm ASSUMING at the vey lest that S-III's were given some knowledge during training at how to combat the Covenant.

Also, again I agree with Cmdr Deafaron. I've NEVER read nor heard abot Noble team having different augmentations or the S-2 genes so back up what ever you're saying with actual evidence and not pure specualtion. Untill then Noble team are just S-III's in MJOLNIR armour and S-I's were sent on mission that were a walk in the park in comparison to S-III's missions.

  • 08.16.2011 2:53 AM PDT

When in doubt, NoScope.

Obviously, you havent dont your research. The Master Chief had a hard time taking down a 1 Brute hand-to-hand in "First Strike" True, Johnson cant take them on headfirst, but the rest of the spartans (Except maybe Jorge or Sam) wouldnt do any better than the Chief.

  • 08.16.2011 3:34 AM PDT

When in doubt, NoScope.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Surperion93
Well, I can see what you mean but I don't really like the ending cutscene of Reach. I swear he takes out a high ranking elite in less then half an AR clip. I think it was a tad far fetched. Not to cause an argument I'm just expressing my opinion here. I do like the point you raised though.

Completely agree.



Anyway, if the other Spartan I's are anywhere half as bad ass as Johnson, they'll take out the Spartan III's and still have time to sit down for some Poker and beers before bed.


Cause you know, they are invincible right? If I remember right, Johnson almost got molested by Brutes twice, both times getting captured only to be saved by either John or the Arbiter, a Spartan III on the other hand, they would have no problems dealing with a Brute or two and if it came to hand to hand, they would actually deal some damage, unlike the little taps that the Spartan I's would give to the Brute.


Obviously, you havent dont your research. The Master Chief had a hard time taking down a 1 Brute hand-to-hand in "First Strike" True, Johnson cant take them on headfirst, but the rest of the spartans (Except maybe Jorge or Sam) wouldnt do any better than the Chief.

  • 08.16.2011 3:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: NoScopeLex

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Surperion93
Well, I can see what you mean but I don't really like the ending cutscene of Reach. I swear he takes out a high ranking elite in less then half an AR clip. I think it was a tad far fetched. Not to cause an argument I'm just expressing my opinion here. I do like the point you raised though.

Completely agree.



Anyway, if the other Spartan I's are anywhere half as bad ass as Johnson, they'll take out the Spartan III's and still have time to sit down for some Poker and beers before bed.


Cause you know, they are invincible right? If I remember right, Johnson almost got molested by Brutes twice, both times getting captured only to be saved by either John or the Arbiter, a Spartan III on the other hand, they would have no problems dealing with a Brute or two and if it came to hand to hand, they would actually deal some damage, unlike the little taps that the Spartan I's would give to the Brute.


Obviously, you havent dont your research. The Master Chief had a hard time taking down a 1 Brute hand-to-hand in "First Strike" True, Johnson cant take them on headfirst, but the rest of the spartans (Except maybe Jorge or Sam) wouldnt do any better than the Chief.


I never said they would defeat a Brute in hand-to-hand, I said they could deal with a Brute or two, that's not necessarily a hand-to-hand scenario, and I also wrote that if it came to hand-to-hand they could ACTUALLY HURT the Brute as opposed to Johnson's punches which did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And yes, other Spartans would deal better than the Chief against a Brute. Will and Sam come to mind.

-edit- Fred is also a good option, seeing how in The Package he totally handled 2 Elites with energy swords in CQC as opposed to John who got defeated by Thel Lodamee in less than a minute, even though both had swords.

[Edited on 08.16.2011 6:20 AM PDT]

  • 08.16.2011 6:05 AM PDT

This is getting serious now brah!

  • 08.16.2011 6:16 AM PDT

When in doubt, NoScope.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: NoScopeLex

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Surperion93
Well, I can see what you mean but I don't really like the ending cutscene of Reach. I swear he takes out a high ranking elite in less then half an AR clip. I think it was a tad far fetched. Not to cause an argument I'm just expressing my opinion here. I do like the point you raised though.

Completely agree.



Anyway, if the other Spartan I's are anywhere half as bad ass as Johnson, they'll take out the Spartan III's and still have time to sit down for some Poker and beers before bed.


Cause you know, they are invincible right? If I remember right, Johnson almost got molested by Brutes twice, both times getting captured only to be saved by either John or the Arbiter, a Spartan III on the other hand, they would have no problems dealing with a Brute or two and if it came to hand to hand, they would actually deal some damage, unlike the little taps that the Spartan I's would give to the Brute.


Obviously, you havent dont your research. The Master Chief had a hard time taking down a 1 Brute hand-to-hand in "First Strike" True, Johnson cant take them on headfirst, but the rest of the spartans (Except maybe Jorge or Sam) wouldnt do any better than the Chief.


I never said they would defeat a Brute in hand-to-hand, I said they could deal with a Brute or two, that's not necessarily a hand-to-hand scenario, and I also wrote that if it came to hand-to-hand they could ACTUALLY HURT the Brute as opposed to Johnson's punches which did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And yes, other Spartans would deal better than the Chief against a Brute. Will and Sam come to mind.

-edit- Fred is also a good option, seeing how in The Package he totally handled 2 Elites with energy swords in CQC as opposed to John who got defeated by Thel Lodamee in less than a minute, even though both had swords.


Book Cannon over rules waypoint cannon. You should familiarize yourself with "Guide to Cannon it the Halo Universe" over to the right. And to have my intentions clear, i think it might be a tie. Sure the SIII's have better training and augmentations, as well as their light-bending SPI armor, but Johnson has a reputation for making the impossible possible and simply pulling trump cards out of thin air.

  • 08.16.2011 6:34 AM PDT


Posted by: NoScopeLex


I never said they would defeat a Brute in hand-to-hand, I said they could deal with a Brute or two, that's not necessarily a hand-to-hand scenario, and I also wrote that if it came to hand-to-hand they could ACTUALLY HURT the Brute as opposed to Johnson's punches which did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And yes, other Spartans would deal better than the Chief against a Brute. Will and Sam come to mind.

-edit- Fred is also a good option, seeing how in The Package he totally handled 2 Elites with energy swords in CQC as opposed to John who got defeated by Thel Lodamee in less than a minute, even though both had swords.[/quote]

Book Cannon over rules waypoint cannon. You should familiarize yourself with "Guide to Cannon it the Halo Universe" over to the right. And to have my intentions clear, i think it might be a tie. Sure the SIII's have better training and augmentations, as well as their light-bending SPI armor, but Johnson has a reputation for making the impossible possible and simply pulling trump cards out of thin air.


Because Johnson is a main character. Like chief, he always finds his way out of a pickle. Main characters always seem awesome in games. Add that up with Johnsons humor and how people like him then I guess he was only in every game for qualities such as his humor.

In the books he is usually serious (Contact Harvest) and a badass. In the game he makes jokes all the time.

  • 08.16.2011 10:21 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I know the CANON hierarchies, but since no Spartan is dumb enough to get in hand-to-hand with a Brute besides John there's no instance in the books, although by the book words: Fred always came up in second place due to personal choice, aka, he was the second best CQC fighter/Sniper/etc, and don't even dare say John is the best at CQC because you know that would be a lie.

  • 08.16.2011 12:03 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I know the CANON hierarchies, but since no Spartan is dumb enough to get in hand-to-hand with a Brute besides John there's no instance in the books, although by the book words: Fred always came up in second place due to personal choice, aka, he was the second best CQC fighter/Sniper/etc, and don't even dare say John is the best at CQC because you know that would be a lie.


Yeah, in pure hand to hand, a Spartan can do some damage. However the brute would win.

Completely different from a marine trying to punch a brute in power armor.

  • 08.16.2011 12:21 PM PDT

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Spartan 1s were a failed experiment. they never saw combat. they took up to much energy and didn't have the augmentations needed.

  • 08.16.2011 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: MACHine199
Spartan 1s were a failed experiment. they never saw combat. they took up to much energy and didn't have the augmentations needed.


*Points at Johnson, Mendez, and the other Sarge from Contact harvest*

The Orion project people were placed back into the Marines as special forces soldiers. Mendez was taken to train the Spartan IIs.

  • 08.16.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MACHine199
Spartan 1s were a failed experiment. they never saw combat. they took up to much energy and didn't have the augmentations needed.


*Points at Johnson, Mendez, and the other Sarge from Contact harvest*

The Orion project people were placed back into the Marines as special forces soldiers. Mendez was taken to train the Spartan IIs.


I think the name you are looking for is "Staff Sergeant Nolan Byrne". Just to help you with future refrences.

  • 08.16.2011 4:59 PM PDT

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S2 > S3 = Noble Team > SI > ODST > Marine

  • 08.16.2011 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I know the CANON hierarchies, but since no Spartan is dumb enough to get in hand-to-hand with a Brute besides John there's no instance in the books, although by the book words: Fred always came up in second place due to personal choice, aka, he was the second best CQC fighter/Sniper/etc, and don't even dare say John is the best at CQC because you know that would be a lie.

Ehh...I think Will was the best in hand-to-hand. He took out a Hunter with his bare hands, and in book canon, Hunters are overpowered beyond all hell.

  • 08.16.2011 5:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MACHine199
Spartan 1s were a failed experiment. they never saw combat. they took up to much energy and didn't have the augmentations needed.


*Points at Johnson, Mendez, and the other Sarge from Contact harvest*

The Orion project people were placed back into the Marines as special forces soldiers. Mendez was taken to train the Spartan IIs.


I think the name you are looking for is "Staff Sergeant Nolan Byrne". Just to help you with future refrences.


Though it was Byrne, just couldn't remember the spelling.

Posted by: old bad dog

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I know the CANON hierarchies, but since no Spartan is dumb enough to get in hand-to-hand with a Brute besides John there's no instance in the books, although by the book words: Fred always came up in second place due to personal choice, aka, he was the second best CQC fighter/Sniper/etc, and don't even dare say John is the best at CQC because you know that would be a lie.

Ehh...I think Will was the best in hand-to-hand. He took out a Hunter with his bare hands, and in book canon, Hunters are overpowered beyond all hell.


Um, it doesn't take much to kill a hunter in hand to hand. You just gotta rip out the worms quick enough.

What was shocking was that Will had the balls to try it and actually managed to rip out enough worms.

[Edited on 08.16.2011 5:17 PM PDT]

  • 08.16.2011 5:16 PM PDT

Posted by: old bad dog
S2 > S3 = Noble Team > SI > ODST > Marine

I agree with this list...some of it people will probably try to debate but for the most part (augmentations included) this is exactly the list I tend to follow.

  • 08.16.2011 5:25 PM PDT

When in doubt, NoScope.


Posted by: Surperion93
Posted by: old bad dog
S2 > S3 = Noble Team > SI > ODST > Marine

I agree with this list...some of it people will probably try to debate but for the most part (augmentations included) this is exactly the list I tend to follow.


Double Agree.

  • 08.16.2011 6:26 PM PDT