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Subject: Who would win in a fight between S-I's and S-III's.


Posted by: Backfjre

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
This is what happens when a Spartan I believes he is a Spartan III how?


Perfect proof... If that were a later spartan the brute would have been in the river and a few broken ribs.


Due to the Brute's coming from a planet with twice the gravity as Earth...

I'd say that result is unlikely from simple punches. However, the Brute wouldn't be shrugging off the punch as harmless(Might shrug it off, but it'd do a little more damage then Johnson) and easily kick aside the Spartan.

  • 08.14.2011 10:57 PM PDT

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  • 08.14.2011 11:07 PM PDT

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i think the answer to this thread is rhetorical

  • 08.15.2011 12:10 AM PDT

If I had to answer this question based on the performances shown in the games (Johnson being the only S1 And noble team (besides Jorge) being the only S3 team we have seen) I think its clear the S1's would win.

  • 08.15.2011 1:34 AM PDT

S-I's.

Why?

They have Johnson.

  • 08.15.2011 4:26 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Surperion93
Nothing suggest Noble team ever existed untill the game and the game is full of holes.


Nothing suggested there are other Spartans in the Halo universe, does that means Linda, Fred, Kelly and others never existed?


There are various books pointing to Linda's and the other Spartan's existance. I don't think you quite understood what I ment.

Maybe you should just check out this topic regarding the statement I made about how Noble team's existance is illogical.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 6:12 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 5:27 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

How is this even a question?

SI's did not have augmentations nor the training that SIII's had.

  • 08.15.2011 6:04 AM PDT

Yes they did have augmentations. Training I'm not so sure of, but yes they did have enhanced abilities. Some even devolped side effects of these augmentations, much like Johnson who has "Boren's Syndrome" due to the physical changes he went through in the ORION project/SPARTAN-I project.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 6:22 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 6:16 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Surperion93
Yes they did have augmentations. Training I'm not so sure of, but yes they did have enhanced abilities. Some even devolped side effects of these augmentations, much like Johnson who has "Boren's Syndrome" due to the physical changes he went through in the ORION project/SPARTAN-I project.


Yes, but what does Boren's Syndrome do for him against a Spartan III? Nothing.

They can train all they want, but they will never reach the strenght and resiliance the Spartan III's have. Spartan I's, are simply put, humanitys augmentated cream-cream-of-the-crop. They are better than ODST's, but never better than any of the later Spartan generations.

  • 08.15.2011 6:32 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Surperion93
Yes they did have augmentations. Training I'm not so sure of, but yes they did have enhanced abilities. Some even devolped side effects of these augmentations, much like Johnson who has "Boren's Syndrome" due to the physical changes he went through in the ORION project/SPARTAN-I project.


Yes, but what does Boren's Syndrome do for him against a Spartan III? Nothing.

They can train all they want, but they will never reach the strenght and resiliance the Spartan III's have. Spartan I's, are simply put, humanitys augmentated cream-cream-of-the-crop. They are better than ODST's, but never better than any of the later Spartan generations.


Nevermind, I re-read what you said and I might of got muddled up. In any case I agree S-III's are better.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 6:40 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 6:36 AM PDT

weren't spartan I's a failed project also known as the orion program?

  • 08.15.2011 7:46 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

10 people are retards.

  • 08.15.2011 7:47 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
10 people are retards.


Agreed.

  • 08.15.2011 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Al1757XNA
weren't spartan I's a failed project also known as the orion program?


Somewhat, yes. It wasent 100% failed, they simply did not live up to expectations, but it laid the foundation for the future Spartan projets with the new augmentations and the extremely harsh training.

  • 08.15.2011 9:04 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Sigh.

Spartan III's would easily defeat the Spartan I's, just like how the Spartan I's could beat ODSTs, ODSTs can beat marines, etc.

I'm not even going to get started on the Spartan II vs Spartan III crap again.

  • 08.15.2011 10:05 AM PDT
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Honestly anyone can take down a Spartan. Literally. They ain't impossible to kill just a 80% chance or a little more that they are impossible to kill.

I'd be a surviving III Headhunter. I find III's a bit better.

II's were like the "rich group" of people and the III's the somewhat "poor group" hence as they couldn't all get the MJLONIR armor due to how expensive it was and the II's did because well of course you all know why! The III's weren't better trained in my opinion as the II's did undergo somewhat of Battle simulations, scouting, things when John-117 hijacked that Pelican beating up two armed Marines? The III's didn't get that and the III's were meant for suicide missions to be suicide units. Which is poorly bad for the Morale in the UNSC.

That'd be a fair poll here for the II's against the III's

Honestly why would you ask the I's against the III's? I'm pretty sure the odds are very slim for a I to literally kill a III in combat.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 10:17 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 10:09 AM PDT


Honestly why would you ask the I's against the III's? I'm pretty sure the odds are very slim for a I to literally kill a III in combat.


I completely agree. I just wanted to know for sure, by asking the fellow Halo fans on this forum, could a S-III win against a S-I. I know it's a silly question when you think about it logically but I needed to know what others thought just in case. So far the responses have been as I predicted.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 10:33 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 10:29 AM PDT


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Honestly anyone can take down a Spartan. Literally. They ain't impossible to kill just a 80% chance or a little more that they are impossible to kill.

I'd be a surviving III Headhunter. I find III's a bit better.

II's were like the "rich group" of people and the III's the somewhat "poor group" hence as they couldn't all get the MJLONIR armor due to how expensive it was and the II's did because well of course you all know why! The III's weren't better trained in my opinion as the II's did undergo somewhat of Battle simulations, scouting, things when John-117 hijacked that Pelican beating up two armed Marines? The III's didn't get that and the III's were meant for suicide missions to be suicide units. Which is poorly bad for the Morale in the UNSC.

That'd be a fair poll here for the II's against the III's

Honestly why would you ask the I's against the III's? I'm pretty sure the odds are very slim for a I to literally kill a III in combat.


Um, the S3's got that.

They were trained by Mendez (who trained the S2's), and Kurt, an S2.

Their training is literally described as better in the sources I can find.

So, unless you can prove WITHOUT A DOUBT that Kurt and Mendez treated the S3's as suicide troops, and gave them sub-par training "cause they were going to die anyway", I cannot believe that.

  • 08.15.2011 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: halo is too hard
Honestly anyone can take down a Spartan. Literally. They ain't impossible to kill just a 80% chance or a little more that they are impossible to kill.

I'd be a surviving III Headhunter. I find III's a bit better.

II's were like the "rich group" of people and the III's the somewhat "poor group" hence as they couldn't all get the MJLONIR armor due to how expensive it was and the II's did because well of course you all know why! The III's weren't better trained in my opinion as the II's did undergo somewhat of Battle simulations, scouting, things when John-117 hijacked that Pelican beating up two armed Marines? The III's didn't get that and the III's were meant for suicide missions to be suicide units. Which is poorly bad for the Morale in the UNSC.

That'd be a fair poll here for the II's against the III's

Honestly why would you ask the I's against the III's? I'm pretty sure the odds are very slim for a I to literally kill a III in combat.


Um, the S3's got that.

They were trained by Mendez (who trained the S2's), and Kurt, an S2.

Their training is literally described as better in the sources I can find.

So, unless you can prove WITHOUT A DOUBT that Kurt and Mendez treated the S3's as suicide troops, and gave them sub-par training "cause they were going to die anyway", I cannot believe that.

Better but the II's also trained in Simulated battles, teamwork training somewhat.

This sums up what I meant by suicide. "sent on suicide missions that the UNSC could not accomplish even with the elite Orbital Drop Shock Troopers. Though the casualty rates of the SPARTAN-IIIs stood at 100 percent on some missions, to ONI, all the operations were strategic successes. They were trading lives for time against the larger and technologically superior Covenant Empire. " - Halopedia.

Some lived but most were sent on missions that were intended to kill the Spartans, usually detonating a explosive on the Covenant moon the Headhunters Jonah and Roland died on to possibly many things. They all were possible to survive YES! but the chances of doing so on the missions they were sent on were very low.

"They were trading lives for time against the larger and technologically superior Covenant Empire." They were dying for causes that would later turn out successful for the UNSC. Although that's why the amount of Spartans there were was huger than those of the II's so later on "enough Spartans would survive to train more and more future Spartans, swelling the ranks of available super soldiers from only thirty SPARTAN-IIs in 2531 to a hundred thousand SPARTAN-IIIs within ten to twenty years. - Halopedia.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 11:21 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 11:21 AM PDT

Spartan 3's trained in a extremely difficult mock battle (simulated battle basically). So they had that as well as teamwork training.

Still, considered suicide troops by high command DOES NOT MEAN they were treated as such by the trainers, or trained to be only that. Kurt used everything he could to get the S3's the best fighting chance for survival possible.

  • 08.15.2011 11:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan 3's trained in a extremely difficult mock battle (simulated battle basically). So they had that as well as teamwork training.

Still, considered suicide troops by high command DOES NOT MEAN they were treated as such by the trainers, or trained to be only that. Kurt used everything he could to get the S3's the best fighting chance for survival possible.
True. But that doesn't change the fact that they were "Suicide" I also don't like the fact they were intended to die. Honestly that's why I'd be a strategic and still surviving III headhunter. I was keen in my battles based off luck to get out efficiently.

The thing is though they weren't intended as again later on when there were still surviving III's they would grow to train a next generation and more likely a superior SPARTAN Generation . Could be from better than II's to a upgraded and enhanced batch of S-I's to anything. Even a S-VI; the generation can go on to god knows probably S-C (C is roman numeral for 100).

  • 08.15.2011 11:38 AM PDT

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Wow...was a topic really needed for this. I mean, I can understand the S-II vs S-III topics, no matter how beaten to death THAT horse is, but Spartan 1's vs Spartan 3's? Really?

What's next? Cortana vs Auntie Dot? ODSTs vs Noble Team? Hmm, I truly wonder who would win that one...maybe I'll go make a topic about it. derrrrrrr....

  • 08.15.2011 11:39 AM PDT

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Personally, I've always felt that the Spartan-IIIs portrayed in GoO are comparitively worse trained. They receive better training, but it's condensed and they don't truly get given the time to develop to their true potential, Seeing as they're sent on suicide missions in their early teens, and aren't given chance to fully adapt to their augmentations.
On top of this, since most of their missions undertaken are of such high danger ratings that survival is unlikely, they'd most likely never truly gain the first hand experience that makes veteran soldiers so effective.
But, this could be attributed to circumstance, seeing as the Spartan IIs were trained when mankind's impending extinction was not an issue, and so had the time to train fully.

But, on the topic, I do think that it would be possible for a Spartan I to take out a Spartan III, but very difficult.
A normal human can kill an Elite, and Elites are vaguely analogous to Spartans, all depends on the scenario.
But in general, Spartan IIIs >>>>>>>>>>>> Spartan Is.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 11:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 11:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: Iron Benny x
Personally, I've always felt that the Spartan-IIIs portrayed in GoO are comparitively worse trained. They receive better training, but it's condensed and they don't truly get given the time to develop to their true potential, Seeing as they're sent on suicide missions in their early teens, and aren't given chance to fully adapt to their augmentations.
But, this could be attributed to circumstance, seeing as the Spartan IIs were trained when mankind's impending extinction was not an issue, and so had the time to train fully.
No No No NO! They get adapted, all Spartans do! Augmentations begin at age 14 I believe thus they are given time I assume a year or two to train with the new adjusted body. around age 16-17 they are given the MJLONIR armor. III's were like a fast paced creation I think. They were created near the Human-Covenant War around early Reach time. Which out of all timelines where everything dies of course! I mean C'mon! Noble Team died within like 2-3 months or so on Reach that's pretty quick.

  • 08.15.2011 11:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Hydrilus
Wow...was a topic really needed for this. I mean, I can understand the S-II vs S-III topics, no matter how beaten to death THAT horse is, but Spartan 1's vs Spartan 3's? Really?

What's next? Cortana vs Auntie Dot? ODSTs vs Noble Team? Hmm, I truly wonder who would win that one...maybe I'll go make a topic about it. derrrrrrr....


Is this really needed? I too share your attitude toward the situation and do think it's a silly question but I just wanted to see if the community agreed with me and so far they have. Except for like 10 people. So clearly there are those out there that would disagree, although none of them voice their opinion, so it's not very helpful. But I just wanted to see what you guys thought about the question but insted now and again I get some of you mocking the quesiton.

  • 08.15.2011 11:49 AM PDT