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Subject: Covenant Ships in Halo 4 Teaser?

Im talking with my neighbor about the possible story for the next Halo game and while we were discussing what the planet may be (I'm the general Halo expert between us) when he said he thinks its the Covenant. He points out that there are Covenant ships in the background. I cant see the video right now so if anyone can confirm or debunk him, that would be awsome.

Dont let me down my fellow Halonites!

(btw; sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I figured this was the best place for it).

  • 08.14.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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you shlould head over to Halo Waypoint forums if you want to discuss things like that

  • 08.14.2011 3:33 PM PDT

Ok. Thanks for the tip. :)

  • 08.14.2011 3:34 PM PDT

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Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.

  • 08.14.2011 3:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Frankie was referring to the concept of the teaser when he said "no purple".

  • 08.14.2011 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Frankie was referring to the concept of the teaser when he said "no purple".


He was asked:

Q: Will there be any Covenant in Halo 4?
A: No purple.

And thus, there will be no Covenant in Halo 4.

  • 08.14.2011 4:00 PM PDT

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No purple and possibly no UNSC, either.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Frankie was referring to the concept of the teaser when he said "no purple".


He was asked:

Q: Will there be any Covenant in Halo 4?
A: No purple.

And thus, there will be no Covenant in Halo 4.


I interpret "No purple" to mean that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4 as they were in previous games, meaning that they will no longer be an organized military/religious force. I would guess that it's very possible we'll see Elites and/or Brutes in the game, just not as part of the Covenant Empire.

But this is just my interpretation.

  • 08.14.2011 6:39 PM PDT

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  • 08.14.2011 6:55 PM PDT

There is no Covenant they were defeated and its a new trilogy!

  • 08.14.2011 6:58 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

1. Wrong forum.
2. You're friend is a complete and utter moron.

  • 08.14.2011 7:11 PM PDT

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No More Purples, Obviosly It Was A Foreunner Structure less likely To Be A Threat To The Reclaimer, Bungie Probable Dosent Want Anybody To Know The Game, It Would Be A Big Spoiler, Atleast For Me, I Like To Play A Game Like I Watch A Movie, So Bungie If Your Reading This, DONT TELL IT OFF PLEASE!!!
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  • 08.14.2011 7:21 PM PDT

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  • 08.14.2011 7:23 PM PDT
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OP, seems that your friend is moron.

There will be no covenant or unsc at Halo 4. Why anybody can't simply accept that and move on? If you guys aren't going to purchase the game because of no covenant/unsc then don't bother to purchase the game, then.

[Edited on 08.14.2011 7:36 PM PDT]

  • 08.14.2011 7:35 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Bungie isn't making Halo 4.

  • 08.14.2011 7:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: UnitingTripod5
Im talking with my neighbor about the possible story for the next Halo game and while we were discussing what the planet may be (I'm the general Halo expert between us) when he said he thinks its the Covenant. He points out that there are Covenant ships in the background. I cant see the video right now so if anyone can confirm or debunk him, that would be awsome.

Dont let me down my fellow Halonites!

(btw; sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I figured this was the best place for it).


Fail OP is fail

[Edited on 08.14.2011 8:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.14.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Frankie was referring to the concept of the teaser when he said "no purple".


Frankie was not the one who said the "no purple" quote. It was a random Kotaku editor, and it was in reference to the entire design mantra of Halo 4. Not just the teaser.

Skip to 12:24 for proof

  • 08.14.2011 8:42 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Just because they won't be in Halo 4 does not meant that they will not be in the whole trilogy, and where/when exactly did Frankie specifically state that the Covenant would with absolute certainty not be included in Halo 4?

And honestly, it's not our place to say whether a certain character or race's role in a story is over, that remains to be seen whether it is true or not, personally I don't think that the UNSC and Covenant will be left out of the new trilogy.

  • 08.14.2011 8:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Just because they won't be in Halo 4 does not meant that they will not be in the whole trilogy, and where/when exactly did Frankie specifically state that the Covenant would with absolute certainty not be included in Halo 4?

And honestly, it's not our place to say whether a certain character or race's role in a story is over, that remains to be seen whether it is true or not, personally I don't think that the UNSC and Covenant will be left out of the new trilogy.


Ah, ah the girl strikes again, eh?

Let me explain something to you.

There is a reason or more, that Covenant won't be appearing is that there is no Covenant after Halo 3, it was collapsed during Elites and Brutes started the civil war in Halo 2. As the war progressed to the end, Covenant was effectively dissolved. There is no San'Shyuum left (most of them went to hiding) to lead the covenant. Sangheilis and Jiralhanae are still waging war at each other. Remaining of Covenant basically went to home. Sure, some have joined the Elites because of their leadership but it does not matter. Other reason would be is that Legendary planet is "unknown" planet where NOBODY knows where it is.

UNSC are busy with recovering their losses after the war. Common logic states that it will take very long time for UNSC to recover fully after 27 years of war. Also, Encyclopedia stated that Master Chief is still missing after 2610s.

So it is highly unlikely that so called "Covenant", why not call it remanments of Covenant and UNSC will appear at Halo 4...

[Edited on 08.14.2011 9:32 PM PDT]

  • 08.14.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
There is a reason or more, that Covenant won't be appearing is that there is no Covenant after Halo 3, it was collapsed during Elites and Brutes started the civil war in Halo 2. As the war progressed to the end, Covenant was effectively dissolved.

They mean individual races.

Posted by: raganok99
There is no San'Shyuum left (most of them went to hiding) to lead the covenant.

I do not ever remember it being stated that the Stoics were wiped out by their Sun going supernova. It would be rather strange for a space-faring race to die to that, especially given the amount of advanced warning that would be apparent from the star before such an event happened.

Posted by: raganok99
Sangheilis and Jiralhanae are still waging war at each other. Remaining of Covenant basically went to home. Sure, some have joined the Elites because of their leadership but it does not matter.

Why does it not matter?

Drones are effective technicians as we see in Contact Harvest and in Evolutions. Whilst not as good as the Engineers, they would certainly help either the Sangheili's or Jiralhanae's (Or both's) technology issues.

The Grunts - They were the primary labour force. It is entirely possible that they would lend services to either factions in return for protection and better treatment than before. (And the fact that their race simply cannot survive on its homeworld on its own anymore)

The Sangheili have the strongest military and naval presence, and probably the greatest access to resources. (However useless they may be at this time)

Add Humanity's technological expertise and scientific understanding to this, with the Covenant's resources and work forces, and it is not "highly unlikely" for recovery of these factions to take place at a surprising rate.

Posted by: raganok99
Other reason would be is that Legendary planet is "unknown" planet where NOBODY knows where it is.

The game does not have to stay in the same location. It happened in Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo Wars.

Posted by: raganok99
UNSC are busy with recovering their losses after the war. Common logic states that it will take very long time for UNSC to recover fully after 27 years of war.

Points above for this. ^

Posted by: raganok99
Also, Encyclopedia stated that Master Chief is still missing after 2610s.

It does not, Believe does. Even that is not strictly speaking true, nothing is actually stated. The date is instead hidden with the reader having to work it out. If the Encyclopaedia stated it, then it would have been extracted from that page on Believe and explicitly stated elsewhere. Because it was not, and due to the previous errors in the book, we cannot be sure if the editors wanted it there. Basing the future predictions of the next game trilogy on it seems faulty.

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Posted by: raganok99
There is a reason or more, that Covenant won't be appearing is that there is no Covenant after Halo 3, it was collapsed during Elites and Brutes started the civil war in Halo 2. As the war progressed to the end, Covenant was effectively dissolved.

They mean individual races.

Posted by: raganok99
There is no San'Shyuum left (most of them went to hiding) to lead the covenant.

I do not ever remember it being stated that the Stoics were wiped out by their Sun going supernova. It would be rather strange for a space-faring race to die to that, especially given the amount of advanced warning that would be apparent from the star before such an event happened.

Posted by: raganok99
Sangheilis and Jiralhanae are still waging war at each other. Remaining of Covenant basically went to home. Sure, some have joined the Elites because of their leadership but it does not matter.

Why does it not matter?

Drones are effective technicians as we see in Contact Harvest and in Evolutions. Whilst not as good as the Engineers, they would certainly help either the Sangheili's or Jiralhanae's (Or both's) technology issues.

The Grunts - They were the primary labour force. It is entirely possible that they would lend services to either factions in return for protection and better treatment than before. (And the fact that their race simply cannot survive on its homeworld on its own anymore)

The Sangheili have the strongest military and naval presence, and probably the greatest access to resources. (However useless they may be at this time)

Add Humanity's technological expertise and scientific understanding to this, with the Covenant's resources and work forces, and it is not "highly unlikely" for recovery of these factions to take place at a surprising rate.

Posted by: raganok99
Other reason would be is that Legendary planet is "unknown" planet where NOBODY knows where it is.

The game does not have to stay in the same location. It happened in Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo Wars.

Posted by: raganok99
UNSC are busy with recovering their losses after the war. Common logic states that it will take very long time for UNSC to recover fully after 27 years of war.

Points above for this. ^

Posted by: raganok99
Also, Encyclopedia stated that Master Chief is still missing after 2610s.

It does not, Believe does. Even that is not strictly speaking true, nothing is actually stated. The date is instead hidden with the reader having to work it out. If the Encyclopaedia stated it, then it would have been extracted from that page on Believe and explicitly stated elsewhere. Because it was not, and due to the previous errors in the book, we cannot be sure if the editors wanted it there. Basing the future predictions of the next game trilogy on it seems faulty.


I'm only going to comment on your last part.

I know you are using first edition of Encyclopedia. I have second edition and it implies that Master Chief is still missing although. I apologize for that typo error again, I should mean that "implied" instead of stated.

  • 08.14.2011 10:03 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Just because they won't be in Halo 4 does not meant that they will not be in the whole trilogy, and where/when exactly did Frankie specifically state that the Covenant would with absolute certainty not be included in Halo 4?

And honestly, it's not our place to say whether a certain character or race's role in a story is over, that remains to be seen whether it is true or not, personally I don't think that the UNSC and Covenant will be left out of the new trilogy.


Ah, ah the girl strikes again, eh?

Let me explain something to you.

There is a reason or more, that Covenant won't be appearing is that there is no Covenant after Halo 3, it was collapsed during Elites and Brutes started the civil war in Halo 2. As the war progressed to the end, Covenant was effectively dissolved. There is no San'Shyuum left (most of them went to hiding) to lead the covenant. Sangheilis and Jiralhanae are still waging war at each other. Remaining of Covenant basically went to home. Sure, some have joined the Elites because of their leadership but it does not matter. Other reason would be is that Legendary planet is "unknown" planet where NOBODY knows where it is.

UNSC are busy with recovering their losses after the war. Common logic states that it will take very long time for UNSC to recover fully after 27 years of war. Also, Encyclopedia stated that Master Chief is still missing after 2610s.

So it is highly unlikely that so called "Covenant", why not call it remanments of Covenant and UNSC will appear at Halo 4...


I'm not talking about the Covenant as the organization. Whenever I talk about "Covenant" in the context of Halo 4 or that trilogy I am referring to the many species that make up the Covenant.

Actually, as far as I have seen at least, no references have been made to any of the Covenant races except the Brutes, Elites, and a brief mention of the Covenant Prophets either dying out or simply going into hiding somewhere. I think it far more likely that the remaining Grunts, Drones, and Hunters remained either or both of the two warring Covenant factions than going home.

I think you're underestimating the speed of their recovery. From what I've heard about Glasslands it sounds to me like they're still pretty strong after the war, and then there's the whole Human ships based off of Forerunner design on Reach at the end of the epilogue to the game. And so what if it's implied that Chief is still missing well into the 27th Century? Implication doesn't mean too much, implication is not concrete fact, and works that come later in a series often either completely ignore the implication because it was a red herring to throw the fans off the track, or the writers felt it was something that wouldn't make sense. I have been entertaining the possibility that the implication is true, but I will maintain a heavy amount of skepticism until Halo 5 and 6 come out.

When did I mention them appearing in Halo 4? I'm in agreement with most other people when they say they won't appear in that game, though I don't think it's absolute fact that they won't appear. It is highly likely that they won't be in Halo 4 and I would be pleasantly surprised if they did appear in that game.
I was talking about the other two games in Halo 4's trilogy, Halo 5 and 6, it is very, very, very likely that the UNSC and Covenant will play some form of role in either or both of those games.

And what makes you think that Chief will stay at the Legendary Planet for the entire trilogy? The UNSC or Covenant finding it are slim to none, but what makes you think that CHief can't or won't ever leave it over the course of the trilogy? Also, just because it is in an unknown location does not mean that it can't be somehow found, no matter how slim the chances are or impossible it might seem it can still be discovered.

  • 08.15.2011 8:35 AM PDT

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I would imagine it would be like Star Wars VI, in which after the Death Star is destroyed (again. lol.) and along with it, the Emperor, there would be a disorganized and unled minority of Imperial forces vying to retake what was lost that day. We knoe, however, that the Republic reemerges.
I believe that there will be Covenant, but without elites, prophets, or organization. Maybe just packs of rogue, AWOL Covie forces, like the Heretics in Halo 2. Remember, there are BILLIONS of Covenant, as well as each individual species' homeworlds. The Arbiter, at the end of Halo 3, was returning "home" meaning their home planet. I can imagine the Covenant being in dissarray after the sort of coup the elites performed, striking down the Prophets and Brutes. This could bring about another "Grunt Rebellion" as hinted in Halo 2, as well as the liberation of the repressed Engineers.
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  • 08.15.2011 8:45 AM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307
Frkie said that the Covenant will not be in Halo 4. The Covenant are finished.


Frankie was referring to the concept of the teaser when he said "no purple".


Frankie was not the one who said the "no purple" quote. It was a random Kotaku editor, and it was in reference to the entire design mantra of Halo 4. Not just the teaser.

Skip to 12:24 for proof


Its about -blam!- ing time somebody posted the quote. Thank you.

So, it isn't official, then.

  • 08.15.2011 8:56 AM PDT

I reckon halo 4 will be more like halo:ce than any other game because of the mystery of it and all that.

  • 08.15.2011 9:01 AM PDT

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