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Subject: Halo needs ARTILLERY

well that's for the covenant but what about the unsc they don't get a proper mortar or artillery not just replacing it with the tank!

  • 08.15.2011 9:26 AM PDT

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"Spunker" Rocket Launchers would work.

  • 08.15.2011 9:29 AM PDT

I know what you mean but wouldn't it be great to kill your enemy from a far!?!

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Posted by: tomthebomb36
well that's for the covenant but what about the unsc they don't get a proper mortar or artillery not just replacing it with the tank!


Just stop...

Look this way. UNSC doesn't have artillery because they already have orbital assets. They can call in frigates to come and bombard area with 50mm point defense guns or archer missiles. It acts like artillery assets so it should be fine. Or, they have a target designator that uses its laser to pinpoint the area then let Navy do their job.

  • 08.15.2011 9:29 AM PDT

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Let's see, snipers? Splasers? MACs? Scorpians? We have alot of other options, dude. Artillery is obselete in Halo.

  • 08.15.2011 9:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: tomthebomb36
What I mean is you have the Warthog which is better than the mongoose so why don't you always use warthogs. Too much money so a mongoose just substitutes the warthog. Same with a tank and artillery.
The UNSC kinda has MACs, which eliminate the need for artillery. It's way more accurate and cause ten times the damage.


Tip of the Spear and the final cutscene in ONI Sword Base disagrees with you. MACs are peashooters.

Anyway, Halo does have artillery, the Covenant's Wraith Tank is nothing more than a self-propelled hovering energy launching artillery piece.

  • 08.15.2011 9:33 AM PDT
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It's called a Wraith.

The human equivalent are grenades.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 9:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 9:35 AM PDT

I like our conversation but would you like to kill the enemy from a far and have them knowing where it came from?

  • 08.15.2011 9:38 AM PDT

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Uh, no? That's very counter-productive. You don't want the enemy knowing what weapons you have.

  • 08.15.2011 9:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: MrNuke

Posted by: tomthebomb36
What I mean is you have the Warthog which is better than the mongoose so why don't you always use warthogs. Too much money so a mongoose just substitutes the warthog. Same with a tank and artillery.
The UNSC kinda has MACs, which eliminate the need for artillery. It's way more accurate and cause ten times the damage.


Tip of the Spear and the final cutscene in ONI Sword Base disagrees with you. MACs are peashooters.

Anyway, Halo does have artillery, the Covenant's Wraith Tank is nothing more than a self-propelled hovering energy launching artillery piece.


Derp, it was fired in low power. If it was fired in full power, it would destroy very large area surrounding ridge and nearby falcons and cause largest UNSC friendly fire incident in the entire Halo universe.

Since when in game cutscene is canon? Especially with game engine's limitations and gameplay mechanics.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 9:45 AM PDT]

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Posted by: MrNuke

Posted by: tomthebomb36
What I mean is you have the Warthog which is better than the mongoose so why don't you always use warthogs. Too much money so a mongoose just substitutes the warthog. Same with a tank and artillery.
The UNSC kinda has MACs, which eliminate the need for artillery. It's way more accurate and cause ten times the damage.


Tip of the Spear and the final cutscene in ONI Sword Base disagrees with you. MACs are peashooters.

Anyway, Halo does have artillery, the Covenant's Wraith Tank is nothing more than a self-propelled hovering energy launching artillery piece.


Derp, it was fired in low power. If it was fired in full power, it would destroy very large area surrounding ridge and nearby falcons and cause largest UNSC friendly fire incident in the entire Halo universe.

Since when in game cutscene is canon? Especially with game engine's limitations and gameplay mechanics.


Hey, if you guys argue that SW's blasters aren't as powerful as they are ICS, and that every planetary bombardment seen on Stargate is the maximum power of their weapons, then I can do the same to you.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: MrNuke

Posted by: tomthebomb36
What I mean is you have the Warthog which is better than the mongoose so why don't you always use warthogs. Too much money so a mongoose just substitutes the warthog. Same with a tank and artillery.
The UNSC kinda has MACs, which eliminate the need for artillery. It's way more accurate and cause ten times the damage.


Tip of the Spear and the final cutscene in ONI Sword Base disagrees with you. MACs are peashooters.

Anyway, Halo does have artillery, the Covenant's Wraith Tank is nothing more than a self-propelled hovering energy launching artillery piece.


Derp, it was fired in low power. If it was fired in full power, it would destroy very large area surrounding ridge and nearby falcons and cause largest UNSC friendly fire incident in the entire Halo universe.

Since when in game cutscene is canon? Especially with game engine's limitations and gameplay mechanics.


Hey, if you guys argue that SW's blasters aren't as powerful as they are ICS, and that every planetary bombardment seen on Stargate is the maximum power of their weapons, then I can do the same to you.



Let me explain something to you.

There is hierarchy of canon, depending on specific sci-fi universe. For example, Halo: Games (storyline only) and novels are canon. Or, star wars's movies and novels/comics are canon too. I'm not sure about stargate, I havent heard about novels are released or whatever.

You can determine its firepower in movies or games but YOU HAVE to consider about affecting factors: Game engine limitations, gameplay mechanics, limitations of CGI effects (movies), money budget (movies), etc.

I see, that is similar argument made by Fact pile site where those people knew nothing about implementing proper mathematical methods, debating methods and knew nothing about depth of some sci-fi universe. For example. Halo vs Mass Effect article, it seems that most of people only know little about Halo or Mass Effect, making debating pointless.

So just friendly reminding you.

[Edited on 08.15.2011 9:58 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2011 9:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: raganok99
Let me explain something to you.

There is hierarchy of canon, depending on specific sci-fi universe. For example, Halo: Games (storyline only) and novels are canon. Or, star wars's movies and novels/comics are canon too. I'm not sure about stargate, I havent heard about novels are released or whatever.

You can determine its firepower in movies or games but YOU HAVE to consider about affecting factors: Game engine limitations, gameplay mechanics, limitations of CGI effects (movies), money budget (movies), etc.

I see, that is similar argument made by Fact pile site where those people knew nothing about implementing proper mathematical methods, debating methods and knew nothing about depth of some sci-fi universe. For example. Halo vs Mass Effect article, it seems that most of people only know little about Halo or Mass Effect, making debating pointless.

So just friendly reminding you.


Halo: Game canon > Book Canon, except for stated yields in book canon. 64kt ship MAC, Covie ships weak to 30MT nukes...

SW: ICS touted as epitome of bat[REDACTED] insanity. However, most fans of other canons go by shown yields.

Stargate: Orbital bombardments, seen from the planet, are usually stated as dial-a-yield... I mean, when we see it from space, we usually get up into the high megaton/double gigaton range. If the director posts the yield of a weapon/size of a ship on his blog, then that is called hard canon.
(Is where the 11km long hive ship figure came from, along with the 30km long ZPM hiveship idea...)
And the novels turn the Ancients into a civilization almost as wacky as the Forerunners...

[Edited on 08.15.2011 10:10 AM PDT]

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The Wraith is already sort of a mobile artillery platform, when you think about it.

  • 08.15.2011 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hovemond
The Wraith is already sort of a mobile artillery platform, when you think about it.
This was stated like three times already. Find something new.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: raganok99
Let me explain something to you.

There is hierarchy of canon, depending on specific sci-fi universe. For example, Halo: Games (storyline only) and novels are canon. Or, star wars's movies and novels/comics are canon too. I'm not sure about stargate, I havent heard about novels are released or whatever.

You can determine its firepower in movies or games but YOU HAVE to consider about affecting factors: Game engine limitations, gameplay mechanics, limitations of CGI effects (movies), money budget (movies), etc.

I see, that is similar argument made by Fact pile site where those people knew nothing about implementing proper mathematical methods, debating methods and knew nothing about depth of some sci-fi universe. For example. Halo vs Mass Effect article, it seems that most of people only know little about Halo or Mass Effect, making debating pointless.

So just friendly reminding you.


Halo: Game canon > Book Canon, except for stated yields in book canon. 64kt ship MAC, Covie ships weak to 30MT nukes...

SW: ICS touted as epitome of bat[REDACTED] insanity. However, most fans of other canons go by shown yields.

Stargate: Orbital bombardments, seen from the planet, are usually stated as dial-a-yield... I mean, when we see it from space, we usually get up into the high megaton/double gigaton range. If the director posts the yield of a weapon/size of a ship on his blog, then that is called hard canon.
(Is where the 11km long hive ship figure came from, along with the 30km long ZPM hiveship idea...)
And the novels turn the Ancients into a civilization almost as wacky as the Forerunners...


Actually... game canon > book canon does not exist anymore since 343i said everything will fit in in Halo universe, it means that they're throwing out game canon > book canon and just call it game canon and book canon being equal.

And, let me explain about why it is illogical to have 64kt MAC as maximum yield on EVERY type of SHIP.

That 64kt yield is ON FRIGATE because of smaller mass therefore, smaller MAC and smaller reactor. Same for destroyers as well, due almost similar to Frigate, just more armored and more firepower. However, you have to consider about cruisers, carriers and supercarriers... they are far larger than frigates and destroyers. Larger mass = higher requirements of power output thus needing larger reactors to power it.

And I see, you're using that GoO as evidence as Covenant's shields being weak to 30Mt? That's not necessarily true because there is a problem: 30 Mt nuke is not powerful enough to completely vaporize several Covenant ship, you're looking more than 30mt. And I recall, it was stated that nukes were useless against Covenant because of their point defense pulse lasers that shoots down missiles.

Good point on that star gate.

  • 08.15.2011 10:21 AM PDT

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Just curious, but do you guys have lives? It would seem that by your previous posts (evidence above) that you do not.

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Posted by: MrNuke
Just curious, but do you guys have lives? It would seem that by your previous posts (evidence above) that you do not.


Uh yes. I have a life. Let me tell you something: I'm nineteen years old and I'm currently sophomore year at my university. My major is IT (Information Technology) which I'll be fiddling with lot of math and science. And this is universe forums where we discuss about Bungie's games on storyline, contents, elements, etc. Also, we love Halo as well. It does not make that we have no life.

So I would be careful if I were you, for making false assumptions...

  • 08.15.2011 10:27 AM PDT

As far as I know, "everything tying together" does not mean that the canon rules are being thrown out.

To me, it simply says they are adding content to tighten the connections and clear up possible issues between books or games.

Though, that's just from what I see, exact wording can key in the context of the line.

  • 08.15.2011 10:29 AM PDT

They call me Mister Nuke. You, my fine acquaintance, may call me Mister Nuke. Welcome to the wonderful dystopia that is my user page. If you're here about something I may have done to upset you, do not waste your precious time sending me a message. I will not reply. There is a good chance it was not really upsetting and that you are angry over nothing. If it was a "big deal," then well, my bad.

You didn;t say anything that proves you have a life. Just that you LOVE Halo and are recieving an Education. And for that part, I hope it turns out well. Anyways, I'm out. Peace.

  • 08.15.2011 10:32 AM PDT

And what proves somebody has a life?

  • 08.15.2011 10:36 AM PDT

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What was this thread supposed to be about?

  • 08.15.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Anyways, I'm out. Peace.


Did you really just do that?

*sigh*

Kids these days...

  • 08.15.2011 11:00 AM PDT

Ok guys my thread here is about halo having actual artillery not about making fun of others or just lookin at it and thinkin ow i won't bother with this! :) lol

  • 08.15.2011 11:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Da Sargent
Halo is not battlefield, go play battlefield if you want large scale battles as opposed to small team gameplay.


You've got to admit, Halo does need larger battles. Especially after the dissapointment of Tip of the Spear.

  • 08.15.2011 11:20 AM PDT

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