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Subject: Flood and covenant confirmed for Halo 4!


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma
You're an angry man, do you know that? Maybe you can try to be open to speculation instead of railing on like-minded fans just because you think that you know what direction Halo 4 is taking and what the story will be.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize the majority of the fanbase wants to turn Halo into a Michael Bay production where story is sacrificed for things that are just "cool".
There's tons of speculation going on here beyond just wanting it to be cool. There's a million places the storyline could go, don't pretend like the only reason Covenant presence would exist is because it's cool. Just chill and quit shooting people down, man.

  • 08.15.2011 8:27 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: tktomma

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma
You're an angry man, do you know that? Maybe you can try to be open to speculation instead of railing on like-minded fans just because you think that you know what direction Halo 4 is taking and what the story will be.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize the majority of the fanbase wants to turn Halo into a Michael Bay production where story is sacrificed for things that are just "cool".
There's tons of speculation going on here beyond just wanting it to be cool. There's a million places the storyline could go, don't pretend like the only reason Covenant presence would exist is because it's cool. Just chill and quit shooting people down, man.


You're plea falls on deaf ears. The story could go anyway I'll admit that. However, it doesn't need the Covenant in any of them. The individual races ceased communication. The Prophets are dying off, the Elites and Brutes are fighting with the Elites holding the edge it seems, and every other race lacked the faith of the Great Journey.

If that mysterious planet was a specimen lab like the Line Installation 1-4, the only surviving species would be Prophets, Elites and Brutes. And what would they add to the story? A small scale continuation of the civil war between Brutes and Elites with the Prophets scheming in the background?

What garbage.

  • 08.15.2011 8:31 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma
You're an angry man, do you know that? Maybe you can try to be open to speculation instead of railing on like-minded fans just because you think that you know what direction Halo 4 is taking and what the story will be.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize the majority of the fanbase wants to turn Halo into a Michael Bay production where story is sacrificed for things that are just "cool".
There's tons of speculation going on here beyond just wanting it to be cool. There's a million places the storyline could go, don't pretend like the only reason Covenant presence would exist is because it's cool. Just chill and quit shooting people down, man.


You're plea falls on deaf ears. The story could go anyway I'll admit that. However, it doesn't need the Covenant in any of them. The individual races ceased communication. The Prophets are dying off, the Elites and Brutes are fighting with the Elites holding the edge it seems, and every other race lacked the faith of the Great Journey.

If that mysterious planet was a specimen lab like the Line Installation 1-4, the only surviving species would be Prophets, Elites and Brutes. And what would they add to the story? A small scale continuation of the civil war between Brutes and Elites with the Prophets scheming in the background?

What garbage.
I was thinking more along the lines of species appearances. Like brutes and jackals not tied under the Covenant banner but causing conflict all over the place for whatever reason. The Elites especially are hugely important to the Halo universe, they could be doing any number of things, the Arbiter most of all. I'd be shocked if they went without appearance or mention.

  • 08.15.2011 8:35 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: tktomma

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma
You're an angry man, do you know that? Maybe you can try to be open to speculation instead of railing on like-minded fans just because you think that you know what direction Halo 4 is taking and what the story will be.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize the majority of the fanbase wants to turn Halo into a Michael Bay production where story is sacrificed for things that are just "cool".
There's tons of speculation going on here beyond just wanting it to be cool. There's a million places the storyline could go, don't pretend like the only reason Covenant presence would exist is because it's cool. Just chill and quit shooting people down, man.


You're plea falls on deaf ears. The story could go anyway I'll admit that. However, it doesn't need the Covenant in any of them. The individual races ceased communication. The Prophets are dying off, the Elites and Brutes are fighting with the Elites holding the edge it seems, and every other race lacked the faith of the Great Journey.

If that mysterious planet was a specimen lab like the Line Installation 1-4, the only surviving species would be Prophets, Elites and Brutes. And what would they add to the story? A small scale continuation of the civil war between Brutes and Elites with the Prophets scheming in the background?

What garbage.
I was thinking more along the lines of species appearances. Like brutes and jackals not tied under the Covenant banner but causing conflict all over the place for whatever reason. The Elites especially are hugely important to the Halo universe, they could be doing any number of things, the Arbiter most of all. I'd be shocked if they went without appearance or mention.


That's why the books exist, they are telling us the post-Halo 3 story without the Chief, the games follow the Chief.

  • 08.15.2011 8:37 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

That's why the books exist, they are telling us the post-Halo 3 story without the Chief, the games follow the Chief.
So you believe it impossible that the Chief would never cross paths with ANY of the Covenant species? I don't think so. And the books telling the post-Halo 3 story (Glasslands, for instance) are confirmed from the Halo panel at Comic-con to be relevant to the story of the new games henceforth, rather than being in faraway bubbles.

  • 08.15.2011 8:43 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Chief is lightyears away fro UNSC or formerly-Covenant controlled space. He is heading towards a mysterious world of Forerunner creation to atone for Mendicant Bias' betrayal during the Forerunner-Flood War. He must confront an Ancient Evil and face his destiny.

What would seeing some Grunt's contribute to that? It shows laziness on 343's part if they can't create new adversaries for Chief to fight.

  • 08.15.2011 8:48 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief is lightyears away fro UNSC or formerly-Covenant controlled space. He is heading towards a mysterious world of Forerunner creation to atone for Mendicant Bias' betrayal during the Forerunner-Flood War. He must confront an Ancient Evil and face his destiny.

What would seeing some Grunt's contribute to that? It shows laziness on 343's part if they can't create new adversaries for Chief to fight.
So are Halsey and the rest of her team, aren't they? But they're in Glasslands, and so are Elites.

But regardless, what's up with the Mendicant Bias thing? I'm curious because I didn't read Cryptum so my knowledge of him is limited.

  • 08.15.2011 8:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: tktomma

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief is lightyears away fro UNSC or formerly-Covenant controlled space. He is heading towards a mysterious world of Forerunner creation to atone for Mendicant Bias' betrayal during the Forerunner-Flood War. He must confront an Ancient Evil and face his destiny.

What would seeing some Grunt's contribute to that? It shows laziness on 343's part if they can't create new adversaries for Chief to fight.
So are Halsey and the rest of her team, aren't they? But they're in Glasslands, and so are Elites.

But regardless, what's up with the Mendicant Bias thing? I'm curious because I didn't read Cryptum so my knowledge of him is limited.


Then read that and the Halo 3 Terminals.

  • 08.15.2011 8:56 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: tktomma

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief is lightyears away fro UNSC or formerly-Covenant controlled space. He is heading towards a mysterious world of Forerunner creation to atone for Mendicant Bias' betrayal during the Forerunner-Flood War. He must confront an Ancient Evil and face his destiny.

What would seeing some Grunt's contribute to that? It shows laziness on 343's part if they can't create new adversaries for Chief to fight.
So are Halsey and the rest of her team, aren't they? But they're in Glasslands, and so are Elites.

But regardless, what's up with the Mendicant Bias thing? I'm curious because I didn't read Cryptum so my knowledge of him is limited.


Then read that and the Halo 3 Terminals.
I actually just went and did the Halo 3 terminals again, lol. So Mendicant is an AI, and he goes rogue or something? Why would he have to atone for Mendicant?

  • 08.15.2011 10:02 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: AngusSkeels 482
why would the covenant be brought back?? they lost the war, the profits were killed and how would they find master-chief on some distant planet??
it's possible a few covenant can be fought how you may ask.... What if that giant structure houses collected specimens it's possible a covenant patrol or ship was taken and put ito stasus or something and they get realised not nowing the war has been finished..... or we fight something different


That is a bull-blam!-, half-assed, uninspired way to include Covenant in Halo 4.
Calm down....... It's possible though specimens being tested on from throughout the galaxy not half asses quite possible take it like the comic with team black ( I believe thats what their called) how they were captured by the sentinals and so were the covenant now yes they did explode and die but that doesnt mean they can have any escape?...... Now it doesnt matter if there are covenant in halo 4 why? CAUSE THEIR EFFING FUN TO FIGHT THATS WHY!!!!!!!!


It's sad your idea of good story telling involves bringing back an enemy that no longer has a purpose just because they're fun to fight. That is irrelevant. The difference between Chief and Black Team is that this world is not a specimen housing world. Bias wouldn't send Chief to the Forerunners to have him dissected.
Oh my Good man you have it all wrong did I say i wanted the covenant in the new trilogy? no i did not I just had a thought on how it somehow could work.... see? so please dont jump to conclusions saying I want something when in fact I dont

  • 08.16.2011 12:00 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Edited OP.

  • 08.16.2011 3:21 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief is lightyears away fro UNSC or formerly-Covenant controlled space. He is heading towards a mysterious world of Forerunner creation to atone for Mendicant Bias' betrayal during the Forerunner-Flood War. He must confront an Ancient Evil and face his destiny.

What would seeing some Grunt's contribute to that? It shows laziness on 343's part if they can't create new adversaries for Chief to fight.


The description of the video says that Chief will be facing an Ancient Evil that is a threat to the entire universe that to me speak volumes. If it's a threat to the entire universe then it is far more likely to include all the major races of Halo's story, and that it includes the aliens that made up the Covenant.

It's bad story telling to just completely ignore plot points or questions introduced by the previous trilogy, and there are quite a few of those left over from Halo 3. I was asking questions and wondering what was going on well before the Return came out and raised more, and I highly doubt I was the only one. And not every fan reads the books, to leave it solely up to that medium to tell the story would also be a poor decision. It is not lazy to include previous familiar creatures and allies to a new story because it has to have something to anchor it to previous material, Chief and Cortana is not enough to do that.

And just because previous enemies would be returning does not mean that new ones would not be introduced as well. Star Wars is a perfect example, after the movies even though the Empire has been demolished and disbanded the New Republic still has to deal with a threat from the former Imperials, or even a resurgent Empire a couple times. This is in addition to new enemies coming along.

  • 08.16.2011 8:39 AM PDT

343 Industries is making it with help from bungie, so technically bungie is making it.

  • 08.16.2011 11:06 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: baconbits117
343 Industries is making it with help from bungie, so technically bungie is making it.


No, Bungie have nothing to do with Halo anymore. 343 are making it themselves.

  • 08.16.2011 11:11 AM PDT

I didnt know alright?

  • 08.16.2011 11:22 AM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Bungie isn't making Halo 4.

didnt know okay? sorry

  • 08.16.2011 11:24 AM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Again, i am posting here because i cannot post at Halo.xbox.com because i changed my WLID.

Pause the video at 1:45 and there is all the conformation you will need (An official 343 developer saying the flood and covenant are back).

Link

Ummm... Discuss.


Sadly, it's about CE anniversary, not Halo 4. Lrn2read, fool.

There is no confirmation from 343i about Covenant and UNSC coming back therefore, they won't come back at all.

Folks, it is time to accept that we will have be no covenant or unsc at Halo 4 at all, and we will fight is: Precursors or Flood or new alien species that never seen before.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, Rag. Just because 343i has not said anything at all about the matter does not mean that they won't be showing up.

I think it's far too premature at this point to make any claim with dead certainty.

  • 08.18.2011 2:19 PM PDT

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