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  • 08.21.2011 9:02 PM PDT


Posted by: oZode
Hand to Hand?

Why must it always be hand to hand when in a fight with an assault rifle and grenades we all know chief would kill jorge's ass?

Jorge is on par with chief in melee combat anyways, except chief can probably get the 2 hits needed to kill jorge since they have the same amount of health (being both spartan IIs). Except jorge hits slower because he is fat and out of shape.


*claps hands.* Congrats, you've unlocked the achievement "Not knowing the facts."

Why is Jorge fat and out of shape? Because he can't move like Master Chief while carrying a LARGE BACKPACK and a LARGE HMG?

  • 08.21.2011 9:12 PM PDT
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  • 08.21.2011 9:16 PM PDT
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All masterchief will have to do is flank him, throw a grenade near him and finish him off with an assault rifle burst.

MASTER WINS.

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Posted by: oZode
All masterchief will have to do is flank him, throw a grenade near him and finish him off with an assault rifle burst.

MASTER WINS.


Why do you assume jorge would just sit there and let that happen? i hate people that are completely one sided.

And the armor is immune to bullets which is why i said Hand to hand.

  • 08.21.2011 9:22 PM PDT
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How is the armor immune to bullets? In what way is a spartan MK V or MK VI armor immune to bullets? It may be resistant to bullets, but it is not immune to them.

  • 08.21.2011 9:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lets compare the deeds of these two spartans,

masterchief:
destroyed Halo(installation 04,the ark and 05?[cant remember which halo is in halo 2]), battled the flood, responsible for billions of covenant deaths including a prophet, the list goes on.

jorge: responsible for maybe a few thousand covenant deaths or more,and thats all i can think of at the moment.

I think MC is the winner..

feel free to add some facts and comments but idk much about jorge's exploits over his years..


A: Ark is damaged, not destroyed
B: Installation 05 is unharmed
C: Proof on that number? The fleet destroyed by 04 going up in flames can't be labeled as killed by master chief. Nor can the fleet that was going to earth.


A: i was mistaken, he didnt destroy the ark it was the remake of 04 that he destroyed.
B: Is it really? completely unharmed?
C: Read The Flood. hmm who set off the pillar of autumn which self destructed and destroyed 04 and the fleet? MC maybe? Read First Strike he lead a team into unyielding hierophent[spelled?] set off the fusion core which lead to millions of covenant deaths?

[Edited on 08.21.2011 9:33 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Vienna Fingers

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lets compare the deeds of these two spartans,

masterchief:
destroyed Halo(installation 04,the ark and 05?[cant remember which halo is in halo 2]), battled the flood, responsible for billions of covenant deaths including a prophet, the list goes on.

jorge: responsible for maybe a few thousand covenant deaths or more,and thats all i can think of at the moment.

I think MC is the winner..

feel free to add some facts and comments but idk much about jorge's exploits over his years..


A: Ark is damaged, not destroyed
B: Installation 05 is unharmed
C: Proof on that number? The fleet destroyed by 04 going up in flames can't be labeled as killed by master chief. Nor can the fleet that was going to earth.


A: i was mistaken, he didnt destroy the ark it was the remake of 04 that he destroyed.
B: Is it really? completely unharmed?
C: Read The Flood. hmm who set off the pillar of autumn which self destructed and destroyed 04 and the fleet? MC maybe? Read First Strike he lead a team into unyielding hierophent[spelled?] set off the fusion core which lead to millions of covenant deaths?


1. the ring did a destructive fire which destroyed everything.

2. not completely, from GoO it is said the ring was bombed in some parts. but the hologram looks clean so it is good.

3. first off i would like to state that if chief didn't kill them in combat that that shouldn't be truly counted as his kill. seriously if you are going around bombing people you shouldn't be getting called a "bad ass" solely on that fact.


A)I am pretty sure it said the other ships retreated to the edge of the system or something like that. since they knew his plan and wouldn't just sit there.


Again, you can't seriously be thinking he is so bad ass because of bombs? majority of chiefs covenant kills are from bombs not actual combat. in all honesty chief would probably have the lowest actual kill count of most Spartan IIS.

the main times chief killed alot of covenant was on Halo (which actually wasn't alot) and high charity (which was alot).



  • 08.21.2011 9:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Vienna Fingers

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lets compare the deeds of these two spartans,

masterchief:
destroyed Halo(installation 04,the ark and 05?[cant remember which halo is in halo 2]), battled the flood, responsible for billions of covenant deaths including a prophet, the list goes on.

jorge: responsible for maybe a few thousand covenant deaths or more,and thats all i can think of at the moment.

I think MC is the winner..

feel free to add some facts and comments but idk much about jorge's exploits over his years..


A: Ark is damaged, not destroyed
B: Installation 05 is unharmed
C: Proof on that number? The fleet destroyed by 04 going up in flames can't be labeled as killed by master chief. Nor can the fleet that was going to earth.


A: i was mistaken, he didnt destroy the ark it was the remake of 04 that he destroyed.
B: Is it really? completely unharmed?
C: Read The Flood. hmm who set off the pillar of autumn which self destructed and destroyed 04 and the fleet? MC maybe? Read First Strike he lead a team into unyielding hierophent[spelled?] set off the fusion core which lead to millions of covenant deaths?


A: Yep the explosion of the second 04 massively damages (apparently blows up) the ark.
B: Yep, bar the Elites glassing a portion to try to get rid of the flood
C: 1: Okay yes, but that doesn't mean you can twist it to make it sound like he personally killed all those covenant and destroyed the ships purposefully. 2: Cortana's copy set off the stations reactor, and the ADMIRAL lured all the ships in close enough to get killed.

Basically it's the same as me blowing up a building which results in a bunch of cars getting trashed.

Did my actions (chief blowing up 04 which caused the destruction of the remaining covenant fleet there) result in a bunch of vehicles being destroyed and damaged? Yes. Can I personally take credit for it all? Nope because that was an unexpected side effect.

Unless you can honestly tell me Chief blew up halo with the intent of destroying the Covenant fleet there. Also, again... don't pull out numbers randomly.

  • 08.21.2011 9:41 PM PDT


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Posted by: Vienna Fingers

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lets compare the deeds of these two spartans,

masterchief:
destroyed Halo(installation 04,the ark and 05?[cant remember which halo is in halo 2]), battled the flood, responsible for billions of covenant deaths including a prophet, the list goes on.

jorge: responsible for maybe a few thousand covenant deaths or more,and thats all i can think of at the moment.

I think MC is the winner..

feel free to add some facts and comments but idk much about jorge's exploits over his years..


A: Ark is damaged, not destroyed
B: Installation 05 is unharmed
C: Proof on that number? The fleet destroyed by 04 going up in flames can't be labeled as killed by master chief. Nor can the fleet that was going to earth.


A: i was mistaken, he didnt destroy the ark it was the remake of 04 that he destroyed.
B: Is it really? completely unharmed?
C: Read The Flood. hmm who set off the pillar of autumn which self destructed and destroyed 04 and the fleet? MC maybe? Read First Strike he lead a team into unyielding hierophent[spelled?] set off the fusion core which lead to millions of covenant deaths?


1. the ring did a destructive fire which destroyed everything.

2. not completely, from GoO it is said the ring was bombed in some parts. but the hologram looks clean so it is good.

3. first off i would like to state that if chief didn't kill them in combat that that shouldn't be truly counted as his kill. seriously if you are going around bombing people you shouldn't be getting called a "bad ass" solely on that fact.


A)I am pretty sure it said the other ships retreated to the edge of the system or something like that. since they knew his plan and wouldn't just sit there.


Again, you can't seriously be thinking he is so bad ass because of bombs? majority of chiefs covenant kills are from bombs not actual combat. in all honesty chief would probably have the lowest actual kill count of most Spartan IIS.

the main times chief killed alot of covenant was on Halo (which actually wasn't alot) and high charity (which was alot).





have you read any of the books?

in First Strike over half the fleet is destroyed due to the fact that the covenant didnt know what had happend till it was too late and there was bait.

i know how we can resolve this kill issue. who killed more covenant? john or george?

also in The Flood[a book] there is a council meeting concerning MC and the elite says the he is responsible for millions or billions of covenant deaths[not sure which, its been a while]

[Edited on 08.21.2011 9:47 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Vienna Fingers

Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lets compare the deeds of these two spartans,

masterchief:
destroyed Halo(installation 04,the ark and 05?[cant remember which halo is in halo 2]), battled the flood, responsible for billions of covenant deaths including a prophet, the list goes on.

jorge: responsible for maybe a few thousand covenant deaths or more,and thats all i can think of at the moment.

I think MC is the winner..

feel free to add some facts and comments but idk much about jorge's exploits over his years..[/quote]

A: Ark is damaged, not destroyed
B: Installation 05 is unharmed
C: Proof on that number? The fleet destroyed by 04 going up in flames can't be labeled as killed by master chief. Nor can the fleet that was going to earth.[/quote]

A: i was mistaken, he didnt destroy the ark it was the remake of 04 that he destroyed.
B: Is it really? completely unharmed?
C: Read The Flood. hmm who set off the pillar of autumn which self destructed and destroyed 04 and the fleet? MC maybe? Read First Strike he lead a team into unyielding hierophent[spelled?] set off the fusion core which lead to millions of covenant deaths?[/quote]

1. the ring did a destructive fire which destroyed everything.

2. not completely, from GoO it is said the ring was bombed in some parts. but the hologram looks clean so it is good.

3. first off i would like to state that if chief didn't kill them in combat that that shouldn't be truly counted as his kill. seriously if you are going around bombing people you shouldn't be getting called a "bad ass" solely on that fact.


A)I am pretty sure it said the other ships retreated to the edge of the system or something like that. since they knew his plan and wouldn't just sit there.


Again, you can't seriously be thinking he is so bad ass because of bombs? majority of chiefs covenant kills are from bombs not actual combat. in all honesty chief would probably have the lowest actual kill count of most Spartan IIS.

the main times chief killed alot of covenant was on Halo (which actually wasn't alot) and high charity (which was alot).





have you read any of the books?

in First Strike over half the fleet is destroyed due to the fact that the covenant didnt know what had happend till it was too late and there was bait.

i know how we can resolve this kill issue. who killed more covenant? john or george?


nope, i just bought them and have all 8 just sitting there brand new.


I was talking about the "fleet" at halo.


Well john did live longer than jorge but at that moment i would say jorge.

  • 08.21.2011 9:47 PM PDT

lemme ask this question again, who has more kills in their lifetime? MC or 054?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lemme ask this question again, who has more kills in their lifetime? MC or 052?


Which is stupid because john lived longer so naturally he is going to have more kills.


But at that time period of reach before the autumn left i am going to say jorge. Though this is still pointless because this depends on the mission given,who got more missions, where the missions took place,etc.

  • 08.21.2011 9:53 PM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"

Jorge is fast, believe me I've seen it. He easily caught up with Noble Team during the Winter Contingency level and he was hauling ass. He is not slow by any means.

Think about several aspects as to why he chooses to move at a select speed...

For starters, you have that cumbersome Heavy Machine Gun, which is not only heavy for a reason, but is most certainly going to cause Jorge to lose balance were he to try to do an all-out sprint like any of the other Noble Team members would.

Then you have the backpack made out of protective plating, which is surely going to add quite a bit of weight to the Spartan's loadout. Both of these would probably weigh around 20-30 lbs. from a Spartan-II's perspective, and I'm being very generous, but try running around as fast as you can with a 20 or 30lb. dumbell strapped to your back and another in your hand.

Then comes his actual armor. He has several UA variants on his forearms, shins and torso. You honestly don't think that it's going to add some weight to the Spartan? They're not part of the base suit that is meant to feel like a second skin; they're extensions, attachments, that have their own weight and are going to weigh him down to some extent.

And finally, why would you even consider charging at top speeds firing an automatic HMG? It's reasonable that a Spartan would run and gun using a rifle or sidearm, but to try that with an HMG is irrational and stupid. Your bullets will have virtually no trajectory because you wouldn't be able to hold the damn gun relatively still while running due to the movement of your body; genetic augmentations or not. Jorge is purposely "power-walking" because it keeps the movement of the gun to a minimum.

Sorry to swerve way off-topic, but I hate the argument that Jorge is slow. It's like nobody puts these kinds of things into perspective. Anyways, I would say that Jorge would win considering all the armour that he actually has on. Sure it's probably outdated Mk. V compared to John's Mk. VI, but with all the UA variants and the Grenadiar/Collar/UA (Which from what I've heard on a long forgotten thread, is a shield generator) I'd say he has the most defense. He also doesn't have to resort to using just the HMG, although he's presumably proffecient at using it. So if he had to compensate firepower for mobility, he could just use a rifle so that he could move at comparable speed to John.

  • 08.21.2011 10:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Vienna Fingers
lemme ask this question again, who has more kills in their lifetime? MC or 054?


Let me ask this question.

How many kills were done by Master Chief's hands or held weapon?

Cut the crap (aka the fleet destroyed by halo ripping itself apart) numbers out of the equation.

  • 08.21.2011 10:47 PM PDT

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--And a Moa pelt, worn like a cape.
My Dream Armor.


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Bungie screwed up with Jorge's appearence, making him seem slow and bulky, when he should be just as fast, and mobile as Chief himself. Something that's really stupid about Jorge is that he walks and runs heavily, like he's lifting his armor. That doesn't even make sense because doesn't MJOLNIR armor read nerve signals, and move itself according to that? Jorge is a fail of a Spartan, no wonder he got stuck with a team of cliche stereotypical movie soldiers.

Oh, and Jorge would most likely crush Master Chief in a fist fight with their armor if he actually acted like a proper SPARTAN-II.


I get the feeling someone didn't enjoy Noble Team...

  • 08.22.2011 1:23 AM PDT


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Jorge is fast, believe me I've seen it. He easily caught up with Noble Team during the Winter Contingency level and he was hauling ass. He is not slow by any means.

Think about several aspects as to why he chooses to move at a select speed...

For starters, you have that cumbersome Heavy Machine Gun, which is not only heavy for a reason, but is most certainly going to cause Jorge to lose balance were he to try to do an all-out sprint like any of the other Noble Team members would.

Then you have the backpack made out of protective plating, which is surely going to add quite a bit of weight to the Spartan's loadout. Both of these would probably weigh around 20-30 lbs. from a Spartan-II's perspective, and I'm being very generous, but try running around as fast as you can with a 20 or 30lb. dumbell strapped to your back and another in your hand.

Then comes his actual armor. He has several UA variants on his forearms, shins and torso. You honestly don't think that it's going to add some weight to the Spartan? They're not part of the base suit that is meant to feel like a second skin; they're extensions, attachments, that have their own weight and are going to weigh him down to some extent.

And finally, why would you even consider charging at top speeds firing an automatic HMG? It's reasonable that a Spartan would run and gun using a rifle or sidearm, but to try that with an HMG is irrational and stupid. Your bullets will have virtually no trajectory because you wouldn't be able to hold the damn gun relatively still while running due to the movement of your body; genetic augmentations or not. Jorge is purposely "power-walking" because it keeps the movement of the gun to a minimum.

Sorry to swerve way off-topic, but I hate the argument that Jorge is slow. It's like nobody puts these kinds of things into perspective. Anyways, I would say that Jorge would win considering all the armour that he actually has on. Sure it's probably outdated Mk. V compared to John's Mk. VI, but with all the UA variants and the Grenadiar/Collar/UA (Which from what I've heard on a long forgotten thread, is a shield generator) I'd say he has the most defense. He also doesn't have to resort to using just the HMG, although he's presumably proffecient at using it. So if he had to compensate firepower for mobility, he could just use a rifle so that he could move at comparable speed to John.


Solid. Argument.

Enough said.


@ everyone else
And all this stuff about Jorge vs Chief is dumb, get over it. Through my eyes, Jorge vs Chief = Two dead Spartans. Keep in mind, that Jorge CHOSE to die, rather than force Noble 6 to do it. He wasn't killed by any means. (while we're on the subject, is Jorge really dead? he was caught in a slipstream, not really that fatal inside a Slip-Space capable Corrvette)

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  • 08.22.2011 7:09 AM PDT

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Solid. Argument.

Enough said.


@ everyone else
And all this stuff about Jorge vs Chief is dumb, get over it. Through my eyes, Jorge vs Chief = Two dead Spartans. Keep in mind, that Jorge CHOSE to die, rather than force Noble 6 to do it. He wasn't killed by any means. (while we're on the subject, is Jorge really dead? he was caught in a slipstream, not really that fatal inside a Slip-Space capable Corrvette)

First, thanks for your reply to my post :).

Second, Well, let's remember that the Corvette now has a giant hole in the middle of it, and from his section of the ship there are at least two breaches in the hull. And he had no helmet on.

Regardless, it took him to sacrifice his own life for the greater good of his homeworld in order for him to presumably die. And as others like to point out, it was after his presumed death that everybody else started dropping like flies haha.

And I agree with you, Jorge is not by any means dumb. Find me one piece of evidence from that campaign-- besides AI gameplay-- that proves he was an idiot. From my perspective he was a well-kept and well-mannered man, with an articulate voice and was well versed in at least two languages. Just because he has a big gun doesn't mean he's the typical gung-ho idiot from the action movies.

  • 08.22.2011 7:21 AM PDT

lol right

like his firefight voice description says "Jorge is a living death threat, nobody messes with Jorge" lol

and yeah now that you mention it, having no helmet on would reduce the chances of survival quite a bit.

  • 08.22.2011 7:34 AM PDT

Master chief is better because he's lucky and only two spartans have ever become hyper lethal and he was one of them.

  • 08.22.2011 8:02 AM PDT

"I'm sorry man, I don't even know why I got in on this side... SHOTGUN!!!"

Honestly, the whole luck thing to me seems like it comes from his role in the Haloverse.

His role as the "Reclaimer" protects him from dying so that he can fulfill his underlying destiny to [cliche]save the universe[/cliche].
It's like The Book of Eli. Both had roles given unto them by a higher power*, and were faced with impossible odds only to escape by act of miracle or "luck." Once they've fulfilled their destiny they're allowed to rest[die].

*From what I can take away from the terminals in Halo 3, Mendicant Bias would be the "higher power" that gives John his role in the Haloverse, whatever it may be.

So all in all, if John wasn't the main protagonist, Jorge would have steamrolled his face in ages ago. John was not the best amongst his fellow Spartans. He wasn't the fastest, or strongest, or the most experienced in CQC, sniping, demolitons, etc. Pretty much just the luckiest and maybe best in leadership [Mendez?]. Now that I think of it, it's like an underdog situation.

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Why do people go on this silly idea jorge could beat master chief over 50% of the time?

Seriously, he fricken' managed to fight armadas of covenant and flood alone (Two betrayals had master chief fight seven to ten elite zealots, countless flood and non alpha covies, and tons of varied vehicles alone.)

Jorge only fought innies and covies, and usually with help the help of allies, in fact he only killed 1-3 grunts in all the reach campaign.

Now, master chief can defiantly beat jorge one on one because they are both spartans, but master chief would be able to flank jorge because the HMG does make your slower turn speed wise even with the spartan 2 armor.

All jorge is basically is a heavy weapons specialist, while the master chief is a much more rounded fighter who has dealt with many more varied situations, some involving terrors jorge never thought existed.

To be fair, jorge would win in a few situations, like an open area where there is no cover from the heavy machine gun.

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  • 08.22.2011 8:53 AM PDT

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Fairness is only possible within the limited powers of man. Elsewhere, there is only chance.

Thus I refute thee.

Master Chief. More experience, more luck, more lethal.

  • 08.22.2011 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: oZode
Why do people go on this silly idea jorge could beat master chief over 50% of the time?

Seriously, he fricken' managed to fight armadas of covenant and flood alone (Two betrayals had master chief fight seven to ten elite zealots, countless flood and non alpha covies, and tons of varied vehicles alone.)

Jorge only fought innies and covies, and usually with help the help of allies, in fact he only killed 1-3 grunts in all the reach campaign.

Now, master chief can defiantly beat jorge one on one because they are both spartans, but master chief would be able to flank jorge because the HMG does make your slower turn speed wise even with the spartan 2 armor.

All jorge is basically is a heavy weapons specialist, while the master chief is a much more rounded fighter who has dealt with many more varied situations, some involving terrors jorge never thought existed.

To be fair, jorge would win in a few situations, like an open area where there is no cover from the heavy machine gun.


A: Calling bull-blam!- on the seven to ten elite zealots in Two betrayals. I don't have the book so I can't confirm, but I'm pretty sure Chief never faced that many at a single time.
B: fight armades of Covenant and Flood? So master chief facing a room full of enemies cleaing it and moving on many times = fighting armies all at once?
C: Master Chief NEVER fought alone before the halo events. Don't use that cop-out excuse "Jorge had help all the time." Also, You make Master Chief fighting the covenant sound like a big deal, but it's just a "meh" on Jorge's record? HA. Using AI to judge the character. Way to fail...

If we are using ingame/AI(or player skill in the case of Chief), Master Chief is a rampaging idiot who prefers to melee everything in sight, doesn't know how to fire a weapon, and teabags a fallen foe and ignores the rest of the crowd.

Because that's a generic, random, slightly idiotic player of halo (or somebody who's just completely goofing off, I've done the pure melee stuff once or twice.)

[Edited on 08.22.2011 7:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.22.2011 7:07 PM PDT

Chief

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