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Subject: who is better master chief or jorge


Posted by: Dark Shinobi 93

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Jorge is fast, believe me I've seen it. He easily caught up with Noble Team during the Winter Contingency level and he was hauling ass. He is not slow by any means.

Think about several aspects as to why he chooses to move at a select speed...

For starters, you have that cumbersome Heavy Machine Gun, which is not only heavy for a reason, but is most certainly going to cause Jorge to lose balance were he to try to do an all-out sprint like any of the other Noble Team members would.

Then you have the backpack made out of protective plating, which is surely going to add quite a bit of weight to the Spartan's loadout. Both of these would probably weigh around 20-30 lbs. from a Spartan-II's perspective, and I'm being very generous, but try running around as fast as you can with a 20 or 30lb. dumbell strapped to your back and another in your hand.

Then comes his actual armor. He has several UA variants on his forearms, shins and torso. You honestly don't think that it's going to add some weight to the Spartan? They're not part of the base suit that is meant to feel like a second skin; they're extensions, attachments, that have their own weight and are going to weigh him down to some extent.

And finally, why would you even consider charging at top speeds firing an automatic HMG? It's reasonable that a Spartan would run and gun using a rifle or sidearm, but to try that with an HMG is irrational and stupid. Your bullets will have virtually no trajectory because you wouldn't be able to hold the damn gun relatively still while running due to the movement of your body; genetic augmentations or not. Jorge is purposely "power-walking" because it keeps the movement of the gun to a minimum.

Sorry to swerve way off-topic, but I hate the argument that Jorge is slow. It's like nobody puts these kinds of things into perspective. Anyways, I would say that Jorge would win considering all the armour that he actually has on. Sure it's probably outdated Mk. V compared to John's Mk. VI, but with all the UA variants and the Grenadiar/Collar/UA (Which from what I've heard on a long forgotten thread, is a shield generator) I'd say he has the most defense. He also doesn't have to resort to using just the HMG, although he's presumably proffecient at using it. So if he had to compensate firepower for mobility, he could just use a rifle so that he could move at comparable speed to John.


Solid. Argument.

Enough said.


No it's not. Spartan's don't lift their armor. It moves on its own.

  • 08.22.2011 9:35 PM PDT

Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?

  • 08.22.2011 9:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?


That's just a matter of design flaws.

  • 08.22.2011 9:41 PM PDT

ok like he is saying the mk 5 and mk 6 armor moves with the user making them so efficiant in a fight but jorge is a bit slow im mean his size should not effect him as it does i mean spartan 2s are by far some of the strongest he should not be so slow

  • 08.23.2011 1:17 AM PDT

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Chief. He lived longer, thus he wins

  • 08.23.2011 4:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mr McCool247
Chief. He lived longer, thus he wins


You mean the Chief is still alive, thus he wins.

It was an unfortunate sacrifice Jorge fore took upon himself. A life cut short in an effort that he thought would save Reach.

  • 08.23.2011 7:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dark Shinobi 93

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Jorge is fast, believe me I've seen it. He easily caught up with Noble Team during the Winter Contingency level and he was hauling ass. He is not slow by any means.

Think about several aspects as to why he chooses to move at a select speed...

For starters, you have that cumbersome Heavy Machine Gun, which is not only heavy for a reason, but is most certainly going to cause Jorge to lose balance were he to try to do an all-out sprint like any of the other Noble Team members would.

Then you have the backpack made out of protective plating, which is surely going to add quite a bit of weight to the Spartan's loadout. Both of these would probably weigh around 20-30 lbs. from a Spartan-II's perspective, and I'm being very generous, but try running around as fast as you can with a 20 or 30lb. dumbell strapped to your back and another in your hand.

Then comes his actual armor. He has several UA variants on his forearms, shins and torso. You honestly don't think that it's going to add some weight to the Spartan? They're not part of the base suit that is meant to feel like a second skin; they're extensions, attachments, that have their own weight and are going to weigh him down to some extent.

And finally, why would you even consider charging at top speeds firing an automatic HMG? It's reasonable that a Spartan would run and gun using a rifle or sidearm, but to try that with an HMG is irrational and stupid. Your bullets will have virtually no trajectory because you wouldn't be able to hold the damn gun relatively still while running due to the movement of your body; genetic augmentations or not. Jorge is purposely "power-walking" because it keeps the movement of the gun to a minimum.

Sorry to swerve way off-topic, but I hate the argument that Jorge is slow. It's like nobody puts these kinds of things into perspective. Anyways, I would say that Jorge would win considering all the armour that he actually has on. Sure it's probably outdated Mk. V compared to John's Mk. VI, but with all the UA variants and the Grenadiar/Collar/UA (Which from what I've heard on a long forgotten thread, is a shield generator) I'd say he has the most defense. He also doesn't have to resort to using just the HMG, although he's presumably proffecient at using it. So if he had to compensate firepower for mobility, he could just use a rifle so that he could move at comparable speed to John.[/quote]

Solid. Argument.

Enough said.


No it's not. Spartan's don't lift their armor. It moves on its own.


1.) He's not lifting his armor. He's walking with a HMG and a heavy backpack; which aren't part of his armor. So to reiterate in your terms, he's not "lifting" his armor, he's "lifting" the HMG in his hand.

2.) Like I said, the base of his Mk. V would be his "second skin" that moves along with the body. The clunky Up-Armor attachments on his shins, forearms and torso are not initially apart of his armor and have their own weight.



[Edited on 08.23.2011 7:41 AM PDT]

  • 08.23.2011 7:40 AM PDT

i feel i need to point out that if jorge wanted to move quickly (as fast as you guys are saying MC is) all he would need to do is PUT THE HMG DOWN AND PICK UP A DMR.

Again, i see things from a neutral standpoint and i if they fought, it would be two dead spartans.

[Edited on 08.23.2011 8:28 AM PDT]

  • 08.23.2011 8:28 AM PDT

yeah thats true but overall chief will still take down jorge not only because he has the mk6 armor but in a real fight between the two chief would have taken out jorge long before he could think and even if he did pick up a dmr he wouldn't know how to use it very well he is strictly trained with the hmg like the rest of noble are trained with they're certain weapons.

  • 08.23.2011 11:13 AM PDT

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Jorge has the height and weight over John and most likely Muscle over John because of all the heavy lifting work outs.

  • 08.23.2011 11:22 AM PDT


Posted by: Dark Paladin445
yeah thats true but overall chief will still take down jorge not only because he has the mk6 armor but in a real fight between the two chief would have taken out jorge long before he could think and even if he did pick up a dmr he wouldn't know how to use it very well he is strictly trained with the hmg like the rest of noble are trained with they're certain weapons.


*Facepalm*

A: If this fight happened, BOTH would be in Mark V. Or they'd both by in Mark VI. One is VI and one in V is unfair.
B: You are an idiot if you believe that. Well, if we go by that logic, then Master Chief is bad at all weapons because he was trained/focused on leadership.

Pro-tip, Spartans were trained in ALL areas. Linda can beat people up with her bare hands or a shotgun. Might not be as great as her sniping, but she can do it with skill above your normal marine.

  • 08.23.2011 11:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?


Actually, contrary to popular beleif, mail hinder's agility more than Plate armor. Plate armor is much more advanced, and is made from high quality parts that fit together perfectly and allow the user to move freely.

People have done tests where they put sensor's on the tests subjects bodies (One with mail, the other with plate), and the mail limited the user more.

  • 08.23.2011 11:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?


Actually, contrary to popular beleif, mail hinder's agility more than Plate armor. Plate armor is much more advanced, and is made from high quality parts that fit together perfectly and allow the user to move freely.

People have done tests where they put sensor's on the tests subjects bodies (One with mail, the other with plate), and the mail limited the user more.



Depends on A: type of scale mail or chain mail
B: The user.

I know that fact is semi-true due to my brother and me talking about it. Your facts in the past have been skewed.

[Edited on 08.23.2011 12:59 PM PDT]

  • 08.23.2011 12:58 PM PDT

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Jorge's reaction time seems a little groggy. As for Master Chief, he has the strength (albeit not as much as Jorge), and the mental ability to come through any situation.


  • 08.23.2011 1:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Mr Tydirium
Jorge's reaction time seems a little groggy. As for Master Chief, he has the strength (albeit not as much as Jorge), and the mental ability to come through any situation.




As an ingame AI or character?

  • 08.23.2011 1:48 PM PDT

Jorge could beat Master Chief solely through the power of his facial hair.

  • 08.23.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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  • 08.23.2011 2:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Jorge. He died halfway through the game. Plus MC only has like 4 games about him so far. Jorge almost saved Reach, too. Master Chief only destroyed a couple Halo rings, a Gravemind and his minions and practically brought down the whole Covenant hierarchy.

Jorge by far.

I detect absolutely no sarcasm in this statement!

  • 08.23.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?


Actually, contrary to popular beleif, mail hinder's agility more than Plate armor. Plate armor is much more advanced, and is made from high quality parts that fit together perfectly and allow the user to move freely.

People have done tests where they put sensor's on the tests subjects bodies (One with mail, the other with plate), and the mail limited the user more.



Depends on A: type of scale mail or chain mail
B: The user.

I know that fact is semi-true due to my brother and me talking about it. Your facts in the past have been skewed.


There is only one type of Chainmail, and that's chainmail...The other type called "Scale mail" is a completely different form of armor, WAY less common than chainmail, and even more cumbersome.

No, it does not depend on the user. Your facts have been skewered in the past as well buddy.

To stay on topic, I would like to tell those who are using "John survived, Jorge diddn't" as an argument to stop. It's stupid.

If John and Jorge fought, there would be a bunch of factors to consider.

1. Experience: I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like they are roughly on par up to the Fall Of Reach, with John having the extra experience of Halo CE, 2, and 3 under his belt.

2. "Feats". We don't really know much about Jorge's Feats, and what we do know come from ingame experiences. We do know alot about stuff that John's pulled off, after all, he is the main character of the Halo Trilogy. To name a few specific ones other than "saving the universe";

*Fighting his way through Halo, at times alone and at times with some marines
*Surviving the flood
*Surviving through High Charity alone
*Assassinating Regret, and killing numourous Honor Guards alone
*Killing the Shipmaster (Halo: CE, T&R level)
*Taking a few Zealots alone (Those who say ten to twelve at once are exhadurating)
*Killing a room full of Brute's single handedly (Uprising)

The catch is, for all we know, Jorge could have done the same thing if given the opportunity, which is why I say this argument is pointless.

3. Strength. Spartans can lift 3X their weight, and then twice that with Mjolnir. John = 390 pounds, Jorge = 320. With Mjolnir, John can lift 2340 pounds, and Jorge can lift 1920. That gives John a strength advantage. Keep in mind that pure physical strength does not by any means determine the outcome of a fight, but it is something to consider.

On the other hand, John does not exactly have such a good track record when it comes to 1v1's. He struggled against an Elite in FOR, while Kelly and Fred seem to dispatch multiple without any trouble (One can argue that he was in space, and facing an Elite for the first time). John also struggled with a Brute, while Cal wiped the floor with a Brute Chieftain in H2H.

I don't think the information we have on Jorge is enough to conclude this debate.

  • 08.23.2011 3:03 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Master Chief. He and his relationship with Cortana alone make me choose me him before Jorge.

  • 08.23.2011 3:42 PM PDT
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whos still alive in the Halo Universe?
i rest my case

  • 08.23.2011 6:11 PM PDT

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whos still alive in the Halo Universe?
i rest my case


[facepalm]No... Just, no. Read above.[/facepalm]

  • 08.23.2011 6:22 PM PDT

CHIEF ALL THE WAY THE BEST SPARTAN IN THE UNSC

  • 08.23.2011 6:48 PM PDT

Impossible to determine. We know nothing about Jorge other than what was said about him in Reach and what he did in Reach.

  • 08.23.2011 6:54 PM PDT