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I AGREE WITH YOU BUT THE CHIEF WAS MEANT TO SURVIVE SO BUNGIE CAN MAKE MOR GAMES JORGES SACRIFICE WAS A GOOD PLOT TO THE STORY BUT IT HAD TO HAPPEN THE TIMER WAS FRIED.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Master Chief. He and his relationship with Cortana alone make me choose me him before Jorge.
HUH?


Majority of the stuff chief has done was with a team, he was only alone during "the Library" and "cortana" other than that he is never alone.

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Better in terms of what? They're both awesome characters, although I do wish they'd give us Jorge's backstory, or something. Introducing him to us in a game, only for him to die halfway through it was a huge kick to the face.

  • 08.23.2011 7:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: HipiO7
Master Chief. He and his relationship with Cortana alone make me choose me him before Jorge.
HUH?

Majority of the stuff chief has done was with a team, he was only alone during "the Library" and "cortana" other than that he is never alone.


I'm not basing the Chief off of everything he has done, I'm only saying that his relationship with Cortana is something that I really liked, and with that alone, I perfer him over Jorge. Now if we count everything the Chief has done, Jorge dosent stand a chance.

The middle cutscene of Cortana in Halo 3 is perhaps my favorite of all the Halo games.

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Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?


Actually, contrary to popular beleif, mail hinder's agility more than Plate armor. Plate armor is much more advanced, and is made from high quality parts that fit together perfectly and allow the user to move freely.

People have done tests where they put sensor's on the tests subjects bodies (One with mail, the other with plate), and the mail limited the user more.



Depends on A: type of scale mail or chain mail
B: The user.

I know that fact is semi-true due to my brother and me talking about it. Your facts in the past have been skewed.



If John and Jorge fought, there would be a bunch of factors to consider.

1. Experience: I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like they are roughly on par up to the Fall Of Reach, with John having the extra experience of Halo CE, 2, and 3 under his belt.

2. "Feats". We don't really know much about Jorge's Feats, and what we do know come from ingame experiences. We do know alot about stuff that John's pulled off, after all, he is the main character of the Halo Trilogy. To name a few specific ones other than "saving the universe";

*Fighting his way through Halo, at times alone and at times with some marines
*Surviving the flood
*Surviving through High Charity alone
*Assassinating Regret, and killing numourous Honor Guards alone
*Killing the Shipmaster (Halo: CE, T&R level)
*Taking a few Zealots alone (Those who say ten to twelve at once are exhadurating)
*Killing a room full of Brute's single handedly (Uprising)

The catch is, for all we know, Jorge could have done the same thing if given the opportunity, which is why I say this argument is pointless.

3. Strength. Spartans can lift 3X their weight, and then twice that with Mjolnir. John = 390 pounds, Jorge = 320. With Mjolnir, John can lift 2340 pounds, and Jorge can lift 1920. That gives John a strength advantage. Keep in mind that pure physical strength does not by any means determine the outcome of a fight, but it is something to consider.

On the other hand, John does not exactly have such a good track record when it comes to 1v1's. He struggled against an Elite in FOR, while Kelly and Fred seem to dispatch multiple without any trouble (One can argue that he was in space, and facing an Elite for the first time). John also struggled with a Brute, while Cal wiped the floor with a Brute Chieftain in H2H.

I don't think the information we have on Jorge is enough to conclude this debate.


1. both of them would be equal as of Fall of Reach.

2.Again every thing needs to be during Reach since jorge is dead after that. anything else is redundant and majority of the still chief did was with help or due to a bomb. FYI

3.I feel that jorges is weight is off despite that being official.

4.When did Fred and kelly fight elites with such easy as you said? please don't tell me you are referencing GoO when the elites were stunned by will beating a hunter with bare hands.

Every spartan struggled with a brute and cal didn't wipe the floor with that brute.

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Posted by: HipiO7

Master Chief. He and his relationship with Cortana alone make me choose me him before Jorge.[/quote]HUH?

Majority of the stuff chief has done was with a team, he was only alone during "the Library" and "cortana" other than that he is never alone.[/quote]

I'm not basing the Chief off of everything he has done, I'm only saying that his relationship with Cortana is something that I really liked, and with that alone, I perfer him over Jorge. Now if we count everything the Chief has done, Jorge dosent stand a chance.

The middle cutscene of Cortana in Halo 3 is perhaps my favorite of all the Halo games.


I don't understand how that has anything to do with the topic and that is the issue with you people.


jorge died during reach thus if this is to be taken seriously we should only be comparing him to chief as of reach. Thus all those "feats" chief did do not exist in this thread.

  • 08.23.2011 7:51 PM PDT

We take your unwanted prisoners, then we execute them....

Chief obviously

  • 08.23.2011 7:56 PM PDT

Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."

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Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."


and died in one hit despite the brute taking much more damage.

  • 08.23.2011 8:11 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."


and died in one hit despite the brute taking much more damage.


What killed her was the "deer in headlights" response to the brute charging up. I think she honestly believe it to be dead instead of, in comparison, hardly hurt.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."


and died in one hit despite the brute taking much more damage.


What killed her was the "deer in headlights" response to the brute charging up. I think she honestly believe it to be dead instead of, in comparison, hardly hurt.


which makes her faulty because no other spartan would have reacted they would have acted.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."


What do you mean "Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising?" If thats the case, he lied to you.

I dont have the comic in front of me, but download jzip, and then search "Halo uprising torrent". Download all the parts(I forgot which part it was in), open it with Jzip, and read it yourself.

You will see the slide where Chief is surrounded by a room full of Brutes, and kills them all.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?


Actually, contrary to popular beleif, mail hinder's agility more than Plate armor. Plate armor is much more advanced, and is made from high quality parts that fit together perfectly and allow the user to move freely.

People have done tests where they put sensor's on the tests subjects bodies (One with mail, the other with plate), and the mail limited the user more.



Depends on A: type of scale mail or chain mail
B: The user.

I know that fact is semi-true due to my brother and me talking about it. Your facts in the past have been skewed.



If John and Jorge fought, there would be a bunch of factors to consider.

1. Experience: I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like they are roughly on par up to the Fall Of Reach, with John having the extra experience of Halo CE, 2, and 3 under his belt.

2. "Feats". We don't really know much about Jorge's Feats, and what we do know come from ingame experiences. We do know alot about stuff that John's pulled off, after all, he is the main character of the Halo Trilogy. To name a few specific ones other than "saving the universe";

*Fighting his way through Halo, at times alone and at times with some marines
*Surviving the flood
*Surviving through High Charity alone
*Assassinating Regret, and killing numourous Honor Guards alone
*Killing the Shipmaster (Halo: CE, T&R level)
*Taking a few Zealots alone (Those who say ten to twelve at once are exhadurating)
*Killing a room full of Brute's single handedly (Uprising)

The catch is, for all we know, Jorge could have done the same thing if given the opportunity, which is why I say this argument is pointless.

3. Strength. Spartans can lift 3X their weight, and then twice that with Mjolnir. John = 390 pounds, Jorge = 320. With Mjolnir, John can lift 2340 pounds, and Jorge can lift 1920. That gives John a strength advantage. Keep in mind that pure physical strength does not by any means determine the outcome of a fight, but it is something to consider.

On the other hand, John does not exactly have such a good track record when it comes to 1v1's. He struggled against an Elite in FOR, while Kelly and Fred seem to dispatch multiple without any trouble (One can argue that he was in space, and facing an Elite for the first time). John also struggled with a Brute, while Cal wiped the floor with a Brute Chieftain in H2H.

I don't think the information we have on Jorge is enough to conclude this debate.


1. both of them would be equal as of Fall of Reach.

2.Again every thing needs to be during Reach since jorge is dead after that. anything else is redundant and majority of the still chief did was with help or due to a bomb. FYI

3.I feel that jorges is weight is off despite that being official.

4.When did Fred and kelly fight elites with such easy as you said? please don't tell me you are referencing GoO when the elites were stunned by will beating a hunter with bare hands.

Every spartan struggled with a brute and cal didn't wipe the floor with that brute.


I feel that Jorges weight is wrong as well, but it is official, and I can't do crap about it.

And yes, GoO is a valid example. If you re-read the section, you will see that Kelly fought the Elite's prior (or after?) them being "stunned".

If you look, you will see that most of the Halo community will agree that the Chieftain got his ass kicked by Cal. I understand that this may be a soft spot for you, but I simply brought up these H2H encounters to show that John is not as good as other Spartan's in 1vs1 H2H engagements, nothing more.

With that being said, you attempt to correct my post, yet you did not even post an opinion on the topic of the thread? John or Jorge?

  • 08.23.2011 9:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."


What do you mean "Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising?" If thats the case, he lied to you.

I dont have the comic in front of me, but download jzip, and then search "Halo uprising torrent". Download all the parts(I forgot which part it was in), open it with Jzip, and read it yourself.

You will see the slide where Chief is surrounded by a room full of Brutes, and kills them all.


I asked him in a private message. He told me Chief gets hit by hunters, a brute stands on him. Chief then chucks a plasma grenade into the brute's crotch, and runs after it goes off.

  • 08.23.2011 9:42 PM PDT

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Yes, the Chief is alive, Jorge no.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Yes i am aware of this and the reason i said he "didn't" is because you have a habit of twisting things up and i assumed you meant in hand to hand combat, which he didn't.

anybody could kill a brute with a gun

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ruby, His comments were on the rather extensive ADDITIONAL plating on the armor. While it may not physically weigh him down, it'd hinder some agility.

You know, a knight in full plate can't move around like a knight in scale mail?[/quote]

Actually, contrary to popular beleif, mail hinder's agility more than Plate armor. Plate armor is much more advanced, and is made from high quality parts that fit together perfectly and allow the user to move freely.

People have done tests where they put sensor's on the tests subjects bodies (One with mail, the other with plate), and the mail limited the user more.

[/quote]

Depends on A: type of scale mail or chain mail
B: The user.

I know that fact is semi-true due to my brother and me talking about it. Your facts in the past have been skewed.[/quote]


If John and Jorge fought, there would be a bunch of factors to consider.

1. Experience: I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like they are roughly on par up to the Fall Of Reach, with John having the extra experience of Halo CE, 2, and 3 under his belt.

2. "Feats". We don't really know much about Jorge's Feats, and what we do know come from ingame experiences. We do know alot about stuff that John's pulled off, after all, he is the main character of the Halo Trilogy. To name a few specific ones other than "saving the universe";

*Fighting his way through Halo, at times alone and at times with some marines
*Surviving the flood
*Surviving through High Charity alone
*Assassinating Regret, and killing numourous Honor Guards alone
*Killing the Shipmaster (Halo: CE, T&R level)
*Taking a few Zealots alone (Those who say ten to twelve at once are exhadurating)
*Killing a room full of Brute's single handedly (Uprising)

The catch is, for all we know, Jorge could have done the same thing if given the opportunity, which is why I say this argument is pointless.

3. Strength. Spartans can lift 3X their weight, and then twice that with Mjolnir. John = 390 pounds, Jorge = 320. With Mjolnir, John can lift 2340 pounds, and Jorge can lift 1920. That gives John a strength advantage. Keep in mind that pure physical strength does not by any means determine the outcome of a fight, but it is something to consider.

On the other hand, John does not exactly have such a good track record when it comes to 1v1's. He struggled against an Elite in FOR, while Kelly and Fred seem to dispatch multiple without any trouble (One can argue that he was in space, and facing an Elite for the first time). John also struggled with a Brute, while Cal wiped the floor with a Brute Chieftain in H2H.

I don't think the information we have on Jorge is enough to conclude this debate.


1. both of them would be equal as of Fall of Reach.

2.Again every thing needs to be during Reach since jorge is dead after that. anything else is redundant and majority of the still chief did was with help or due to a bomb. FYI

3.I feel that jorges is weight is off despite that being official.

4.When did Fred and kelly fight elites with such easy as you said? please don't tell me you are referencing GoO when the elites were stunned by will beating a hunter with bare hands.

Every spartan struggled with a brute and cal didn't wipe the floor with that brute.


I feel that Jorges weight is wrong as well, but it is official, and I can't do crap about it.

And yes, GoO is a valid example. If you re-read the section, you will see that Kelly fought the Elite's prior (or after?) them being "stunned".

If you look, you will see that most of the Halo community will agree that the Chieftain got his ass kicked by Cal. I understand that this may be a soft spot for you, but I simply brought up these H2H encounters to show that John is not as good as other Spartan's in 1vs1 H2H engagements, nothing more.

With that being said, you attempt to correct my post, yet you did not even post an opinion on the topic of the thread? John or Jorge?


Did you even take a poll to try backing that statement up? because if that is considered an "asskicking" to you and others i can only imagine what you would think that fights my brother and i have are.


I already responded to the topic and said jorge.


John has always depended on teamwork and cortana and in if we were to put him in a 1v1 fight he would be at a large disadvantage.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also Jonzx, Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising to me.

And, sure Cal wiped the floor with the chieftain. If that now means "Did no damage besides a bloodied eye."


What do you mean "Grey confirmed that chief never killed a room full of brutes in uprising?" If thats the case, he lied to you.

I dont have the comic in front of me, but download jzip, and then search "Halo uprising torrent". Download all the parts(I forgot which part it was in), open it with Jzip, and read it yourself.

You will see the slide where Chief is surrounded by a room full of Brutes, and kills them all.


I asked him in a private message. He told me Chief gets hit by hunters, a brute stands on him. Chief then chucks a plasma grenade into the brute's crotch, and runs after it goes off.


Yeah, Chief takes on the room of Brutes after that scene (Not directly after). So either Grey101 did not finish reading the comic, or he lied.

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Posted by: grey101
Yes i am aware of this and the reason i said he "didn't" is because you have a habit of twisting things up and i assumed you meant in hand to hand combat, which he didn't.

anybody could kill a brute with a gun


Speaking of twisting around things, you just demonstrated perfectly how it's done ^^

"anybody could kill a brute with a gun". "A" Brute? He was surrounded by at least 20 of them (That's a very conservative estimate, so I won't be accused of "twisting" anything). I don't know how else to describe it so forgive me, but John pretty much did some matrix sh#t on those Brutes.

Also, it was not all ranged combat. Ignoring the fact that he was surrounded from all directions in an enclosed room, did you forget the part where he takes a spiker, cuts a Brute across the chest, grabs him by the neck, and tosses him aside? That seems like hand to hand combat to me.

I'm not even going to discuss Cal vs the Chieftain anymore, as it is clearly a soft spot for you. Just know that 99% of the people here would agree that the Chieftain got his ass kicked. That is all.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Or grey101 naturally assumed you were talking about hand to hand combat like normally which wasn't the case. So he killed brutes with guns, big whoop.


and no, kelly killed the elites as they were stunned.

  • 08.23.2011 10:06 PM PDT


Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: grey101
Yes i am aware of this and the reason i said he "didn't" is because you have a habit of twisting things up and i assumed you meant in hand to hand combat, which he didn't.

anybody could kill a brute with a gun


Speaking of twisting around things, you just demonstrated perfectly how it's done ^^

"anybody could kill a brute with a gun". "A" Brute? He was surrounded by at least 20 of them (That's a very conservative estimate, so I won't be accused of "twisting" anything). I don't know how else to describe it so forgive me, but John pretty much did some matrix sh#t on those Brutes.

Also, it was not all ranged combat. Ignoring the fact that he was surrounded from all directions in an enclosed room, did you forget the part where he takes a spiker, cuts a Brute across the chest, grabs him by the neck, and tosses him aside? That seems like hand to hand combat to me.

I'm not even going to discuss Cal vs the Chieftain anymore, as it is clearly a soft spot for you. Just know that 99% of the people here would agree that the Chieftain got his ass kicked. That is all.



I doubt John could lift a brute with a single hand.

Also, I'll make a topic about Cal vs the chieftain including a blow by blow description of the battle and we'll see is 99% is close to true.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: grey101
Yes i am aware of this and the reason i said he "didn't" is because you have a habit of twisting things up and i assumed you meant in hand to hand combat, which he didn't.

anybody could kill a brute with a gun


Speaking of twisting around things, you just demonstrated perfectly how it's done ^^

"anybody could kill a brute with a gun". "A" Brute? He was surrounded by at least 20 of them (That's a very conservative estimate, so I won't be accused of "twisting" anything). I don't know how else to describe it so forgive me, but John pretty much did some matrix sh#t on those Brutes.

Also, it was not all ranged combat. Ignoring the fact that he was surrounded from all directions in an enclosed room, did you forget the part where he takes a spiker, cuts a Brute across the chest, grabs him by the neck, and tosses him aside? That seems like hand to hand combat to me.

I'm not even going to discuss Cal vs the Chieftain anymore, as it is clearly a soft spot for you. Just know that 99% of the people here would agree that the Chieftain got his ass kicked. That is all.



And? he is a spartan he was trained to fight outnumbered and outgunned. I still don't see a "wow" factor here, replace the brutes with hunters that are actually ordered to kill him then i understand.

And you clearly don't understand the difference between melee and hand to hand combat. and john could not lift a brute up with one hand.

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Using the info previously posted regarding John's lifting capabilities, I think its entirely possible that he lifted a brute with one hand. An average brute weighs 1,500 pounds and John can lift up to (with mjolnir) 2,300 pounds. With a strong adrenaline rush and a lighter than average brute I'd say its probable.


Regarding Cal, I definitely think she kicked that brutes ass. While only my opinion, you can look back at that sequence and admire the H2H combat from Cal. Although she didn't fatally wound the brute she still managed to neutralize the threat that was a chieftain (if only for a little while).

And about the John versus Jorge debate, I wouldn't bet against the chief. Even if you take away all the feats the chief had done during CE through Halo 3 and placed this fight prior to those events, you still have to acknowledge that he's capable of accomplishing all of it. Would Jorge be capable? Maybe. Do all those things matter in a 1v1? Maybe not. But John pretty much saved the human race and I would bet he'd come out on top, again.

Plus he has a well rounded skill set that allows him to do everything above average, not that jorge doesn't but if you'd want to beat the chief you have to utilize the skills your best at. For instance, if Linda tried to engage John in CQC, he'd likely win. Linda being the marksman she is would have to engage John in the way that best suits her skill set in order to win. But John knows this and would plan for it. A one dimensional enemy can be defeated. John can adapt to a situation with a broad range of skills and emerge victorious. Add in some luck for good measure (with the limited amount of intel we have on Jorge) and I like the chief in this one.

[Edited on 08.24.2011 1:31 AM PDT]

  • 08.24.2011 1:30 AM PDT

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Sometimes I feel like a Hamburger.
Difference?
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ya not to mention he has the whole cyborg thing going on but still jorge is a damn good spartan u have to admit
What are you talking about cyborg?!? Chief and Jorge had the same augmentations, but they are both humans. Just augmented humans.


They have mechanic augmentations as well meaning they are part cyborg.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: grey101
Yes i am aware of this and the reason i said he "didn't" is because you have a habit of twisting things up and i assumed you meant in hand to hand combat, which he didn't.

anybody could kill a brute with a gun


Speaking of twisting around things, you just demonstrated perfectly how it's done ^^

"anybody could kill a brute with a gun". "A" Brute? He was surrounded by at least 20 of them (That's a very conservative estimate, so I won't be accused of "twisting" anything). I don't know how else to describe it so forgive me, but John pretty much did some matrix sh#t on those Brutes.

Also, it was not all ranged combat. Ignoring the fact that he was surrounded from all directions in an enclosed room, did you forget the part where he takes a spiker, cuts a Brute across the chest, grabs him by the neck, and tosses him aside? That seems like hand to hand combat to me.

I'm not even going to discuss Cal vs the Chieftain anymore, as it is clearly a soft spot for you. Just know that 99% of the people here would agree that the Chieftain got his ass kicked. That is all.



And? he is a spartan he was trained to fight outnumbered and outgunned. I still don't see a "wow" factor here, replace the brutes with hunters that are actually ordered to kill him then i understand.

And you clearly don't understand the difference between melee and hand to hand combat. and john could not lift a brute up with one hand.


You seem to take everything I say as an offense. I think you need to chill the @#$% out and understand that I did not bring up this encounter for any "wow" factor, simply to compare John and Jorge.

John did not "lift" the Brute, he grabbed it by the neck and tossed it aside. You have the damn comic, you know exactly what I am talking about.

It seems like everytime I mention something that has to do with a Brute dieing, you get all worked up about it.

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