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As seeing that I wanted to make a logical explanation that Covenant/UNSC won't be appearing at Halo 4. For Grey's thread.

Covenant is completely destroyed. After the schism occurred in sometime after Halo 2 to 3, Covenant was already gone. Also, Elites and Brutes are busy with their own mini wars, also ONI are keeping Elites disorganized or weakened by encouraging them to fight more against brutes.(Halo: Glasslands, podcast information) Also The Return in Halo: Evolutions confirmed it.

Source:

halo evolutions page 506-507

"....But it was not long before the primitive nature of the brutes pulled their fighting cohesion apart and split their new power among several internecine struggles. The prophets had largely disappeared..... some elite commanders continued to fight the many scattered remnants of the former covenant wherever they could be found,but not all.

After six long years of this scattered war, elite power had begun to wane right along with their drive to fight.... but since the prophets controlled all of the major learnings that transformed forerunner gifts, the elites now largely lacked the understanding to build new facilities and weapons themselves. they steadily lost ships that they could not easily repair, let alone replace them. their time seemed to be running out. Page 517

... The covenant threat is lifted for the moment....but I doubt the agreement with the elites with the other covenant species."

There are no "covenant loyalist" there is no covenant. the elites not even at whole some of them are hunting down the reminds due to their honor being tarnished. The elites are running out of ships and are far too busy to have anything to do with halo 4


Also here's Halo: Glasslands podcast information link: Podcast

NOTE: I will add more sources from Glasslands once it is released in October 25th.

Also, it was stated numerous times that Master Chief was missing since 2553:



January 2553 -chief is still missing (evolutions iqbal's letter)

September 2556- A musical is held for the missing hero chief

sometime after November- Cortana talking in origins happens, they are still missing

2689- This is the year the encylapedia (spelling its early) states the chief is still MIA if the other marketing sources were to be ignored (which they shouldn't due to a monument being built)


2607- a monument to the chief is being built for his service to mankind, he is still MIA (and unless something un-heard of happens cortana is long "dead" by this point").


2610- The monument is completed and chief is still MIA.


And, UNSC is unlikely to be there because after the war, they suffered enormous navy losses, military forces losses and civilian losses. It'll take while for them to recover. Also whoever brought up that all of human colonies are destroyed is obvious idiot. There is about half of dozen or more colonies left after the war. Also they were busy with maintaining alliance with Elites as well.

There is a reason or more, that Covenant won't be appearing is that there is no Covenant after Halo 3, it was collapsed during Elites and Brutes started the civil war in Halo 2. As the war progressed to the end, Covenant was effectively dissolved. There is no San'Shyuum left (most of them went to hiding) to lead the covenant. Sangheilis and Jiralhanae are still waging war at each other. Remaining of Covenant basically went to home. Sure, some have joined the Elites because of their leadership but it does not matter. Other reason would be is that Legendary planet is "unknown" planet where NOBODY knows where it is.

UNSC are busy with recovering their losses after the war. Common logic states that it will take very long time for UNSC to recover fully after 27 years of war. Also, other sources (encyclopedia, second edition) stated that Master Chief is still missing after 2610s. Sure, you can use argument that UNSC would work with Elites to recover quickly but it won't happen instantly, it takes time.

So it is highly unlikely that so called "Covenant", why not call it remanments of Covenant and UNSC will appear at Halo 4...

[Edited on 08.17.2011 1:40 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 1:36 PM PDT

It only takes one ship to have an army of UNSC or Sangheili allies. Halo CE was a single human ship and look where that got you. We just dont have enough information to be certain about anything really.

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Posted by: Vaenier
It only takes one ship to have an army of UNSC or Sangheili allies. Halo CE was a single human ship and look where that got you. We just dont have enough information to be certain about anything really.


Since sawed off half of FuD have any UNSC personnels?

There is only Master Chief with Cortana, that's it.

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Posted by: Vaenier
It only takes one ship to have an army of UNSC or Sangheili allies. Halo CE was a single human ship and look where that got you. We just dont have enough information to be certain about anything really.


what ship?

Don't even get me started on the elite ships and the UNSC is more likely going to have ships iunno protecting earth.

and where would they look people? Last time john was seen was OUTSIDE the milky way, how in the galaxy would they even search for him? how would they know he is even in the galaxy?


Factors,factors.

  • 08.17.2011 1:50 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Vaenier
It only takes one ship to have an army of UNSC or Sangheili allies. Halo CE was a single human ship and look where that got you. We just dont have enough information to be certain about anything really.

Since sawed off half of FuD have any UNSC personnels?

There is only Master Chief with Cortana, that's it.

I think you missed the point. A ship could respond to a distress beacon, or just be there scouting uncharted systems looking for enemy activity, or have been there already, lost in the past and kept in stasis. It could be anything, we just dont know.

Its dumb to act like we know anything about Halo 4 at this point.

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Posted by: Vaenier

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Vaenier
It only takes one ship to have an army of UNSC or Sangheili allies. Halo CE was a single human ship and look where that got you. We just dont have enough information to be certain about anything really.

Since sawed off half of FuD have any UNSC personnels?

There is only Master Chief with Cortana, that's it.

I think you missed the point. A ship could respond to a distress beacon, or just be there scouting uncharted systems looking for enemy activity, or have been there already, lost in the past and kept in stasis. It could be anything, we just dont know.

Its dumb to act like we know anything about Halo 4 at this point.



As knowing that the Ark is outside of the galaxy and it is high possible that John is still outside of the galaxy. I don't think UNSC or Covenant have FTL capacity to travel outside of the galaxy.

  • 08.17.2011 1:53 PM PDT

I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.


That gun would have come from FuD's armory, not UNSC controlled space...

*facepalminfectionform*

  • 08.17.2011 2:42 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.


That gun would have come from FuD's armory, not UNSC controlled space...

*facepalminfectionform*


So what, are we only going to get to use it on the first mission? As the first weapon we use? I don't think so.

  • 08.17.2011 2:55 PM PDT

Wait... so because the weapon in the teaser trailer, that means automatically UNSC are going to be there?

For all we know Chief frequently returns to the Forward Unto Dawn wreckage and uses it as a home/base. Thus allowing him to restock on ammo.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.



What is the point of even stating something retarded as this?

when people say no UNSC they mean no UNSC presence, yes the ship belongs to the UNSC but it doesn't have any personnel on it.

This is a bad attempt at trying to be a wise ass.

  • 08.17.2011 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wait... so because the weapon in the teaser trailer, that means automatically UNSC are going to be there?

For all we know Chief frequently returns to the Forward Unto Dawn wreckage and uses it as a home/base. Thus allowing him to restock on ammo.


Two problems with that.

One, we're going to use human weapons ONLY at the start of missions?

Two, I don't think outdated weaponry would take very kindly with the person playing the game because it's a sign of laziness on the designer's part. However, the Dawn can't have too many new weapons either because that would only make for a whole LOT of confusion. "Why are these weapons here? They weren't in Halo 3..."

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wait... so because the weapon in the teaser trailer, that means automatically UNSC are going to be there?

For all we know Chief frequently returns to the Forward Unto Dawn wreckage and uses it as a home/base. Thus allowing him to restock on ammo.


Two problems with that.

One, we're going to use human weapons ONLY at the start of missions?

Two, I don't think outdated weaponry would take very kindly with the person playing the game because it's a sign of laziness on the designer's part. However, the Dawn can't have too many new weapons either because that would only make for a whole LOT of confusion. "Why are these weapons here? They weren't in Halo 3..."


1. use of whatever guns in the haloverse shouldn't reflect the current tech regardless. it is a videogame.

2. Um i don't re-call chief getting anything from the dawn other than a tank. so weapons the were used by other forces isn't anything new.

and you are acting as if this won't be the first halo game for some people.

  • 08.17.2011 3:33 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.



What is the point of even stating something retarded as this?

when people say no UNSC they mean no UNSC presence, yes the ship belongs to the UNSC but it doesn't have any personnel on it.

This is a bad attempt at trying to be a wise ass.


DERP. It's called logic.
Where is Chief going to get other human weapons? Areas with UNSC personnel. Who's in the areas with UNSC personnel? HUMANS.
Why would you even begin to think that the weapon is only available ONCE in the entire Campaign, let alone even begin to consider the absurd, and bad idea that Chief raids the Dawn for weapons, weapons which you only use at the start of each mission? What kind of sense does that make in terms of video game development?

  • 08.17.2011 3:34 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

1. use of whatever guns in the haloverse shouldn't reflect the current tech regardless. it is a videogame.


Misread my post.

2. Um i don't re-call chief getting anything from the dawn other than a tank. so weapons the were used by other forces isn't anything new.


Well, I'd say that'd be a pretty acceptable retcon, but it'd still confuse the general public.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.



What is the point of even stating something retarded as this?

when people say no UNSC they mean no UNSC presence, yes the ship belongs to the UNSC but it doesn't have any personnel on it.

This is a bad attempt at trying to be a wise ass.


DERP. It's called logic.
Where is Chief going to get other human weapons? Areas with UNSC personnel. Who's in the areas with UNSC personnel? HUMANS.
Why would you even begin to think that the weapon is only available ONCE in the entire Campaign, let alone even begin to consider the absurd, and bad idea that Chief raids the Dawn for weapons, weapons which you only use at the start of each mission? What kind of sense does that make in terms of video game development?


Herp Derp.

Master Chief can get weapons from FuD's armory. FuD wreckage can act as his base for missions.



[Edited on 08.17.2011 3:39 PM PDT]

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.



What is the point of even stating something retarded as this?

when people say no UNSC they mean no UNSC presence, yes the ship belongs to the UNSC but it doesn't have any personnel on it.

This is a bad attempt at trying to be a wise ass.


DERP. It's called logic.
Where is Chief going to get other human weapons? Areas with UNSC personnel. Who's in the areas with UNSC personnel? HUMANS.
Why would you even begin to think that the weapon is only available ONCE in the entire Campaign, let alone even begin to consider the absurd, and bad idea that Chief raids the Dawn for weapons, weapons which you only use at the start of each mission? What kind of sense does that make in terms of video game development?


I am talking about the whole "the UNSC is there because the dawn is a UNSC ship" that is retarded.

Why does he need to use a human weapon ever mission anyway? AR,pistol,sniper, BR/DMR,grenade launcher,rockets, grenade.


Not that much. And since we don't know what will happen we can't really say how he will get more human weapons.

He could raid the ship, a part of a mission could be around the ship, weapons could be scattered on impact,etc.

Your making a big deal out of it, not to mention since the flood are probably in they would have some also.

  • 08.17.2011 3:38 PM PDT

Maybe Chief runs into The Spirit of Fire and throughout the campaign that is your means of armament and support?

*random idea*

  • 08.17.2011 3:42 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
I posted this before. The UNSC are in because of what we've seen in the teaser. The Hand-Grenade Launcher. This weapon obviously isn't going to be available during the first mission (at the start in FUD at least), so we're going to have to pick it up SOMEWHERE. Where? UNSC controlled areas.
Halo 4 isn't going to be an open-world game with the Dawn as the base. 343 is smart enough to know that that's not the way a traditional Halo game plays.

As for the Covenant, I'm not even going to speak of them.



What is the point of even stating something retarded as this?

when people say no UNSC they mean no UNSC presence, yes the ship belongs to the UNSC but it doesn't have any personnel on it.

This is a bad attempt at trying to be a wise ass.


DERP. It's called logic.
Where is Chief going to get other human weapons? Areas with UNSC personnel. Who's in the areas with UNSC personnel? HUMANS.
Why would you even begin to think that the weapon is only available ONCE in the entire Campaign, let alone even begin to consider the absurd, and bad idea that Chief raids the Dawn for weapons, weapons which you only use at the start of each mission? What kind of sense does that make in terms of video game development?


I am talking about the whole "the UNSC is there because the dawn is a UNSC ship" that is retarded.

Why does he need to use a human weapon ever mission anyway? AR,pistol,sniper, BR/DMR,grenade launcher,rockets, grenade.


Not that much. And since we don't know what will happen we can't really say how he will get more human weapons.

He could raid the ship, a part of a mission could be around the ship, weapons could be scattered on impact,etc.

Your making a big deal out of it, not to mention since the flood are probably in they would have some also.


You and I have different mindsets.
I'm not going to talk about how UNSC appearance is abundantly clear based on factors dealing with consistency within the games, but I am going to repeat:
If there's a human weapon shown in the trailer, then it's logical to assume we'll be using it throughout the game. The only way Chief is going to acquire it is through UNSC areas, not through traveling back to the Dawn, making no progress whatsoever on his adventure. I don't see how Chief is going manage to travel back and forth between mission areas and the Dawn.
Based on how everybody is always saying that the Flood is annoying, I'd really hesitate to say that he'd get the weapons from them,(assuming they're everywhere in the Campaign just to supply you) still, 343 could find a way to make them fun to fight, but they've never been the enemy focused on fighting during gameplay. The Covenant have.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

You and I have different mindsets.
I'm not going to talk about how UNSC appearance is abundantly clear based on factors dealing with consistency within the games, but I am going to repeat:
If there's a human weapon shown in the trailer, then it's logical to assume we'll be using it throughout the game. The only way Chief is going to acquire it is through UNSC areas, not through traveling back to the Dawn, making no progress whatsoever on his adventure. I don't see how Chief is going manage to travel back and forth between mission areas and the Dawn.
Based on how everybody is always saying that the Flood is annoying, I'd really hesitate to say that he'd get the weapons from them,(assuming they're everywhere in the Campaign just to supply you) still, 343 could find a way to make them fun to fight, but they've never been the enemy focused on fighting during gameplay. The Covenant have.


Having weapons from armory doesnt make that UNSC presence is there. Also he can get Forerunner weapons as well, so I dont see it as problem. Although, this location may be located outside of galaxy which it would be impossible for UNSC and Covies to be there.

  • 08.17.2011 3:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Backfjre
Maybe Chief runs into The Spirit of Fire and throughout the campaign that is your means of armament and support?

*random idea*


If it was by that, I'd love the UNSC presence. But being from Earth/UNSC/ONI is blah.

To the other guy, why is having a base so bad? You expect Chief to just lay down and take a nap in the middle of unknown area? Seriously, what's so awful about him exploring, going back to the wreckage to rest/resupply, and decide his next move?

Edit: How is going back to the Dawn removing any progress? He'll know the land better and can travel it using shortcuts.

Also, what did you expect, the teaser trailer to tell you exactly what weapons and allies you'll have for the entire game?

[Edited on 08.17.2011 4:13 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 4:10 PM PDT

I rest my case. I've said all I need to say, and anything else would be pointless.

  • 08.17.2011 4:19 PM PDT

To OP: tl;dr but...

Ghosts of Onyx has much to do with Halo 4 and if you've read it, then you know that there are both Spartan IIIs and Covenant on Onyx.

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Posted by: Saltticus
To OP: tl;dr but...

Ghosts of Onyx has much to do with Halo 4 and if you've read it, then you know that there are both Spartan IIIs and Covenant on Onyx.


and it was destroyed at the end of the book

  • 08.17.2011 4:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Saltticus
To OP: tl;dr but...

Ghosts of Onyx has much to do with Halo 4 and if you've read it, then you know that there are both Spartan IIIs and Covenant on Onyx.


You did finish Onyx right? The Spartan-IIIs, Blue Team, Halsey, and Mendez are inside a micro-dyson sphere. The rest of Onyx has been destroyed, the Sentinels and the FENRIS nukes took out the Covenant fleet and army. Halo 4 and GoO are lightyears apart.

  • 08.17.2011 4:57 PM PDT