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Subject: *Gamescon-343 Guilty Spark/New Terminal Video

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Posted by: SxR WOOK13
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: SxR WOOK13
GS said that he disabled the rings defenses for the PoA to land. So, with the defenses disabled that means that the Covenant can land also.

Except the Covenant were there before the Autumn.
They were on the other side of Threshold...

I'm pretty sure that they would have been detected either on approach or on arrival.

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: SxR WOOK13
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: SxR WOOK13
GS said that he disabled the rings defenses for the PoA to land. So, with the defenses disabled that means that the Covenant can land also.

Except the Covenant were there before the Autumn.
They were on the other side of Threshold...

I'm pretty sure that they would have been detected either on approach or on arrival.
If they were out of range, and not headed directly for the ring, they most likely were not. The PoA was only detected because it was WELL within range and headed towards the ring. The Covenant were waiting on the far side of the planet, and were moving towards the PoA, that was also moving towards the ring, that caused the rings defenses to turn off.

Bam.

  • 08.17.2011 6:08 PM PDT

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  • 08.17.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: SxR WOOK13
If they were out of range, and not headed directly for the ring, they most likely were not. The PoA was only detected because it was WELL within range and headed towards the ring.

Out of range?

343 orders the Autumn to withdraw to a minimum safe distance of 1 light year, implying that the ring has a sensor range of 1 light year. Otherwise it would not be able to determine whether the Autumn was outside that range or not.

And why would they not head directly for Halo first? How would they even know that there was a ring there if they had not seen it first? (Meaning that Halo would obviously be able to see them)

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Here's an idea: an earlier terminal explains what is going on and why Spark let the Covenant through.

  • 08.17.2011 6:40 PM PDT

Nevermind

[Edited on 08.17.2011 8:04 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 6:42 PM PDT

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Don't leave out the possibility of 343 Guilty Spark scanning Cortana as he scanned through the Pillar of Autumn. He could easily, possibly mistaken her for an ancilla. No. Not mistaken. Uncertain, perhaps.

  • 08.17.2011 7:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sakanade
Now I remember this from conversations from the universe.

"A primitive, hegemonizing swarm calling itself The Covenant has landed on installation 4. Apparently seeking something specific. Exploring! Meddling! I've seen it all before. They'll record what they see and they'll leave."

Why so hostile towards the PoA?
That solves that. However it doesn't fit with the canon Cryptum established.

  • 08.17.2011 7:53 PM PDT


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Posted by: Sakanade
Now I remember this from conversations from the universe.

"A primitive, hegemonizing swarm calling itself The Covenant has landed on installation 4. Apparently seeking something specific. Exploring! Meddling! I've seen it all before. They'll record what they see and they'll leave."

Why so hostile towards the PoA?
That solves that. However it doesn't fit with the canon Cryptum established.
From Cryptum Page 313

They are controlled by the installation monitors. The monitors are programmed to assume that all who attack an installation are enemies-whatever they look like, or whatever codes they possess.

all who attackBecause 343 Guilty Spark knows the Covenant are harmless (as seen by their actions in previous forerunner ruins) he could allow them to pass. They, as far as he knows, are harmless and will just tinker around a bit and leave. He doesn't know this ring is their equivilant to a christians Jesus walking around with armies of angles and God throwing a pool party. The PoA/UNSC on the other hand is something that he obviously has no record of. The Covenant must of been somewhere that he had communication with, possibly the same place the covenant learned of the halos. Humanity has only been to a few forerunner places, none of them having communications with the Halo Array. The forerunner installations that the covenant been to must not have a defense mode so they wouldn't destroy the covenant. Guilty Spark believes it isn't worth destroying them as he knows what they are. This doesn't explain why he didn't destroy the covenant when they began attacking the humans however.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
So why did he just let the Covenant have free reign of the place? And why didn't he send Sentinels to assist the Autumn as it was being attacked by the Covenant?

I don't know, it seems odd.


Because GS is a punk.

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I see my memory proves me wrong on the specifics of the text. Now I'm eager to see if Keyes listened to 343 on where he should land. Or was it Cortana with her assisted landing coordinates.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 8:31 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 8:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Sakanade
Now I remember this from conversations from the universe.

"A primitive, hegemonizing swarm calling itself The Covenant has landed on installation 4. Apparently seeking something specific. Exploring! Meddling! I've seen it all before. They'll record what they see and they'll leave."

Why so hostile towards the PoA?
That solves that. However it doesn't fit with the canon Cryptum established.
From Cryptum Page 313

They are controlled by the installation monitors. The monitors are programmed to assume that all who attack an installation are enemies-whatever they look like, or whatever codes they possess.

all who attackBecause 343 Guilty Spark knows the Covenant are harmless (as seen by their actions in previous forerunner ruins) he could allow them to pass. They, as far as he knows, are harmless and will just tinker around a bit and leave. He doesn't know this ring is their equivilant to a christians Jesus walking around with armies of angles and God throwing a pool party. The PoA/UNSC on the other hand is something that he obviously has no record of. The Covenant must of been somewhere that he had communication with, possibly the same place the covenant learned of the halos. Humanity has only been to a few forerunner places, none of them having communications with the Halo Array. The forerunner installations that the covenant been to must not have a defense mode so they wouldn't destroy the covenant. Guilty Spark believes it isn't worth destroying them as he knows what they are. This doesn't explain why he didn't destroy the covenant when they began attacking the humans however.


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I think I found the location of that terminal. If you watch the first cutscene of CE you'll see Keyes go over to a human terminal with what appears to be 343's landing path. So we can assume that we'll find it there.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 8:43 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 8:41 PM PDT

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  • 08.17.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

343GS probably just dismisses the Covenant as bumbling idiots and doesn't see them as a threat.

  • 08.17.2011 9:14 PM PDT


Posted by: BK Burger Boy
343GS probably just dismisses the Covenant as bumbling idiots and doesn't see them as a threat.
Yep. Besides, he knows they're not flood as the flood have nothing to gain by landing on the installation. The worse thing he thought they could do was just trample over some grass or bring dirt into the buildings. He never thought they would be foolish enough to release the flood.

  • 08.17.2011 9:17 PM PDT

As nice as the terminal is, 343 is setting themselves up for more canon controversey.

  • 08.17.2011 9:57 PM PDT

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Not going to lie... the terminal footage was incredibly impressive and awesome. I can't wait to find/see them all.

  • 08.17.2011 10:11 PM PDT

Plausible, but assuming this is set after the PoA (because it's in the process of going down) then Cortana would have been off the ship and in the MC's head.

Posted by: King Nis085
Don't leave out the possibility of 343 Guilty Spark scanning Cortana as he scanned through the Pillar of Autumn. He could easily, possibly mistaken her for an ancilla. No. Not mistaken. Uncertain, perhaps.

  • 08.17.2011 11:39 PM PDT

I may have bored you on the subject matter, but my case in point still remains. Oh well...

Don't forget that the covenant had forerunner glyphs tattooed on their bodies, weapons and ships. The basis of their religion and evolution revolved around discovery of forerunner technology. Something that even the ancient prophets kept secret long before the confrontation with the humans on Harvest. I believe the terminals will not only reveal the gaps between the game play storyline of Master Chief and the ring world encounter, but also the knowledge behind how the covenant came to know of the ring worlds and other installations like the ones on Harvest and Reach.

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  • 08.18.2011 1:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
I see my memory proves me wrong on the specifics of the text. Now I'm eager to see if Keyes listened to 343 on where he should land. Or was it Cortana with her assisted landing coordinates.


That'd be amazing if there was a connection established between that Terminal and Keyes saying: "Lock in a selection of emergency landing zones, upload them to my neural lace, and then sort yourself for a hard transfer."

  • 08.18.2011 1:47 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: SxR WOOK13
If they were out of range, and not headed directly for the ring, they most likely were not. The PoA was only detected because it was WELL within range and headed towards the ring.

Out of range?

343 orders the Autumn to withdraw to a minimum safe distance of 1 light year, implying that the ring has a sensor range of 1 light year. Otherwise it would not be able to determine whether the Autumn was outside that range or not.

And why would they not head directly for Halo first? How would they even know that there was a ring there if they had not seen it first? (Meaning that Halo would obviously be able to see them)


Out of range for the anti-ship-Sentinels to respond to a threat on the other side of the planet, I believe he's saying.

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Posted by: Sniffy66
all who attackBecause 343 Guilty Spark knows the Covenant are harmless (as seen by their actions in previous forerunner ruins) he could allow them to pass.

"Not at all. While I had a complete understanding of Installation 04, my Makers wisely limited my knowledge of all other strategic facilities. Compartmentalization - in case was ever captured, by the Flood."
Also he would know that covenant sometimes destroy their 'holy relics'
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  • 08.18.2011 5:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Grizzwizz
Plausible, but assuming this is set after the PoA (because it's in the process of going down) then Cortana would have been off the ship and in the MC's head.

Posted by: King Nis085
Don't leave out the possibility of 343 Guilty Spark scanning Cortana as he scanned through the Pillar of Autumn. He could easily, possibly mistaken her for an ancilla. No. Not mistaken. Uncertain, perhaps.


Indeed plausible. Either way, Guilty Spark might as well have either seen Cortana controlling the Pillar of Autumn or inside the Chief's armor. Which, given the latter of the two he could easily have mistaken the Master Chief and Cortana as a Forerunner with his ancilla. Many times does Guilty Spark refer to the Master Chief as the Reclaimer. But, it is never brought to our attention, exactly, what a Reclaimer is.

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