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Subject: *Gamescon-343 Guilty Spark/New Terminal Video

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Posted by: grey101

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So why did he just let the Covenant have free reign of the place? And why didn't he send Sentinels to assist the Autumn as it was being attacked by the Covenant?

I don't know, it seems odd.


Everything i am thinking right now.

this is something that 343 needs to go back and change, major one liners for reach

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
So why did he just let the Covenant have free reign of the place? And why didn't he send Sentinels to assist the Autumn as it was being attacked by the Covenant?

I don't know, it seems odd.


Everything i am thinking right now.

this is something that 343 needs to go back and change, major one liners for reach

i dont really know much about halo but from what im hearing, maybe GS thought "its already going to be destroyed so whatever came in, he didnt mind until humans came along which made him think otherwise. sorry if im completely off but im just guessing from the conversation

  • 08.18.2011 6:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sakanade
Now I remember this from conversations from the universe.

"A primitive, hegemonizing swarm calling itself The Covenant has landed on installation 4. Apparently seeking something specific. Exploring! Meddling! I've seen it all before. They'll record what they see and they'll leave."

Why so hostile towards the PoA?
That solves that. However it doesn't fit with the canon Cryptum established.
From Cryptum Page 313

They are controlled by the installation monitors. The monitors are programmed to assume that all who attack an installation are enemies-whatever they look like, or whatever codes they possess.

all who attackBecause 343 Guilty Spark knows the Covenant are harmless (as seen by their actions in previous forerunner ruins) he could allow them to pass. They, as far as he knows, are harmless and will just tinker around a bit and leave. He doesn't know this ring is their equivilant to a christians Jesus walking around with armies of angles and God throwing a pool party. The PoA/UNSC on the other hand is something that he obviously has no record of. The Covenant must of been somewhere that he had communication with, possibly the same place the covenant learned of the halos. Humanity has only been to a few forerunner places, none of them having communications with the Halo Array. The forerunner installations that the covenant been to must not have a defense mode so they wouldn't destroy the covenant. Guilty Spark believes it isn't worth destroying them as he knows what they are. This doesn't explain why he didn't destroy the covenant when they began attacking the humans however.


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Cool, thanks!

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That looks really cool, I am looking forward to this a lot.

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Posted by: Grizzwizz
Plausible, but assuming this is set after the PoA (because it's in the process of going down) then Cortana would have been off the ship and in the MC's head.

Posted by: King Nis085
Don't leave out the possibility of 343 Guilty Spark scanning Cortana as he scanned through the Pillar of Autumn. He could easily, possibly mistaken her for an ancilla. No. Not mistaken. Uncertain, perhaps.


Indeed plausible. Either way, Guilty Spark might as well have either seen Cortana controlling the Pillar of Autumn or inside the Chief's armor. Which, given the latter of the two he could easily have mistaken the Master Chief and Cortana as a Forerunner with his ancilla. Many times does Guilty Spark refer to the Master Chief as the Reclaimer. But, it is never brought to our attention, exactly, what a Reclaimer is.


Through context clues within the games combined with Contact Harvest it's been pretty clear that any human is considered a Reclaimer.

In any case I'm rather curious as to why Sparks had a flashback of relatively modern human history. His line about having a record of 'lost time' in the last level made it seem like he had no knowledge what so ever of humanity's history and development after the rings were fired and the humans reseeded on Earth.

Still, it'll be interesting how 343i decides to incorporate some of these newer lines and how it affects and expands upon the backstory of the battle of Alpha Halo (which for me was what made The Flood my favorite Halo novel) and beyond as it's already clear that concepts from the Forerunner books like the geas are now involved too.

  • 08.18.2011 11:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Through context clues within the games combined with Contact Harvest it's been pretty clear that any human is considered a Reclaimer.


Why Humans as Reclaimers though? If the Forerunner's fought against the Humans thousands of years prior to the events of the Arrays firing once again why would Guilty Spark, a sentient created by the Forerunners chose Humans to be Reclaimers? An ancient foe that surely Guilty Spark would know of. Even if isolated to watch over one ring for all time.

The only humans given the title of Reclaimer was the Master Chief, Sgt. Johnson, Commander Keyes and quite possibly Professor Anders.

And to quote 343 Guilty Spark:

"Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

This shows that Guilty Spark might not recognize a Reclaimer to be a specific individual, but be the same being.

  • 08.18.2011 11:55 AM PDT

Cool I can't wait for this to come out.

  • 08.18.2011 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: King Nis085
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Through context clues within the games combined with Contact Harvest it's been pretty clear that any human is considered a Reclaimer.


Why Humans as Reclaimers though? If the Forerunner's fought against the Humans thousands of years prior to the events of the Arrays firing once again why would Guilty Spark, a sentient created by the Forerunners chose Humans to be Reclaimers? An ancient foe that surely Guilty Spark would know of. Even if isolated to watch over one ring for all time.

The only humans given the title of Reclaimer was the Master Chief, Sgt. Johnson, Commander Keyes and quite possibly Professor Anders.

And to quote 343 Guilty Spark:

"Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

This shows that Guilty Spark might not recognize a Reclaimer to be a specific individual, but be the same being.


No one knows the specifics as to the 'why', though no doubt it will be explained in great detail by the time the Forerunner Saga wraps up. However, we do know that it just simply is. Humanity was chosen to be reclaim the remnants of the Forerunner empire.

In regards to specific humans referred to as a Reclaimer you left out Staff Sergeant Mobuto, but ultimately those referred to as Reclaimers are those that were personally in contact with Sparks. As I've said before, Contact Harvest solidifies the fact that every human being is considered to be a reclaimer as every single human being on Harvest was identified by such through the Covenant's scanning devices. This would ultimately be confirmed by Mendicant Bias upon seeing the data for itself.

As for 343's enigmatic line in the control room, people to this day still don't know what Sparks is specifically referring to as there's still no evidence to support anything specific which is why so many theories still exist about it from Sparks being off his knocker to the Chief being a time traveler. Ultimately, the line doesn't affect the definition of a reclaimer as applied to everyone else that isn't the Chief.

  • 08.18.2011 12:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Through context clues within the games combined with Contact Harvest it's been pretty clear that any human is considered a Reclaimer.

Primordium complicates things though by stating that there is such a thing as a "last true Reclaimer", to whom Chakas speaks to in the prologue. I have got a funny feeling that it is Master Chief. (Or the Spartan-IIs in general going from what Bear said at Comic-Con) Nothing solid just now but I think I can guess on where the story might be going with this. It looks like 343 Industries are retconning Humanity as reclaimers in some fashion by creating two distinctions. (Which I think is debauching to the story but I digress) Indeed, Spark seemed to be really interested in Master Chief in that video for some reason by going as far as scanning his armour.

  • 08.18.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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MJOLNIR has a resemblance to that of Forerunner Combatskins? Who knows really.

Great discussion by the way.

One would think though, if Guilty Spark witnessed the Covenant attacking the unknown vessel (at the time) that contained his Reclaimer, why would he let them commence and not aid the Reclaimer into a safe landing onto the Installation?

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Keyes brought the ship up to full alert and therefore had all of it's weapons ready, so that might be another reason of why the POA was threatened.

  • 08.18.2011 2:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Through context clues within the games combined with Contact Harvest it's been pretty clear that any human is considered a Reclaimer.

Primordium complicates things though by stating that there is such a thing as a "last true Reclaimer", to whom Chakas speaks to in the prologue. I have got a funny feeling that it is Master Chief. (Or the Spartan-IIs in general going from what Bear said at Comic-Con) Nothing solid just now but I think I can guess on where the story might be going with this. It looks like 343 Industries are retconning Humanity as reclaimers in some fashion by creating two distinctions. (Which I think is debauching to the story but I digress) Indeed, Spark seemed to be really interested in Master Chief in that video for some reason by going as far as scanning his armour.


That, or that there's a distinction between old ancient reclaimers of the past compared to those recognized in general now. Cryptum in itself already set the basis into shattering the perception that what is now was similar before when in reality things concerning humanity like its previous status as a large advanced empire devolved into something else were radically different without changing the canon of modern events. So there will perhaps be more than meets the eye in the past regarding origin of terms along with the "true reclaimer" and other specifics without changing what is known in the present with those general terms as understood in the now.

Though in regards to the Chief specifically, perhaps the enigmatic line about "last time you asked" will finally after a decade be explained away depending on how the whole true reclaimer thing goes.

  • 08.18.2011 2:41 PM PDT

Anybody noticed that the Terminals seem to be from the UNSC?

Before 343 GS starts speaking, you can clearly see an UNSC interface with the UNSC logo to the left. Before breaking up and turning into GS speaking and showing Forerunner styled interfaces etc.

I think this is suprising, maybe not important, but suprising non the less. I think most of us were expecting the Terminals to be Forerunner in nature? I was at least.

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I noticed this first too DonVinzone. But, it could also be almost Guilty Sparks point of view after we access the Terminal. You know, see what he sees kind of thing. The UNSC logo's in the beginning could be just him accessing the Pillar of Autumn's system before overriding it with his own to allow full scans of the vessel.

Just speculation.

Also, does anyone else heard Guilty Spark mention "geas" at the end? Like mentioned in Halo: Cryptum? Or was it just me again.

His last few sentences are:

"This ring contains significant dangers and even with your assumed legacy, I must verify the presence and pitch of your gea before allowing full access. We have much to discuss unit, I have been away far to long. You have been away far to long."

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Did people really miss my comment on the location of that terminal? I noticed it had a UNSC interface, and went back to watch the first cutscene. I noticed that Keyes goes over to a Work terminal with a Marine already there. On the terminal is a path to the Halo ring similar to the one in the Terminal.

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Posted by: King Nis085
I noticed this first too DonVinzone. But, it could also be almost Guilty Sparks point of view after we access the Terminal. You know, see what he sees kind of thing. The UNSC logo's in the beginning could be just him accessing the Pillar of Autumn's system before overriding it with his own to allow full scans of the vessel.


Your comment wasn't missed Onyx81. *Points to bold lettering*

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Posted by: orphan
I wonder if 343GS thinks that MC is BornStellar or something.

Also, I believe 343GS was speaking to Cortana in the terminal - She was making a direct jump to the coordinates of the ring (that she extracted from the Relic on Reach) and 343GS was alarmed at these unknown beings knowing exactly where a Halo was.


I'm sure it was clear that Guilty Spark was talking more so to himself about the Master Chief.

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Posted by: King Nis085
Also, does anyone else heard Guilty Spark mention "geas" at the end? Like mentioned in Halo: Cryptum? Or was it just me again.

His last few sentences are:

"This ring contains significant dangers and even with your assumed legacy, I must verify the presence and pitch of your gea before allowing full access. We have much to discuss unit, I have been away far to long. You have been away far to long."


Yes he does mention it.

Also to fix your quote box, Spark says 'humans', not 'unit'. When declaring the initial warning Spark is only addressing one individual. Once the hostilities end and he discovers the humans on board he beings to speak in a manner addressing all on board (starting off with "greeting humans") rather than just one individual for the remainder of the dialogue.

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I didn't catch that at all. I re-watched the video and your correct. I guess the audio just blocked out the "h" sound a bit for me.

Very interesting indeed. Interesting that Guilty Spark speaks of a gea in regards to the Chief's armor.

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Posted by: King Nis085
I didn't catch that at all. I re-watched the video and your correct. I guess the audio just blocked out the "h" sound a bit for me.

Very interesting indeed. Interesting that Guilty Spark speaks of a gea in regards to the Chief's armor.


Doesn't necessarily mean he's only referring to the Chief. At that point in the dialogue he's already referring to humans as a whole rather than any one individual.

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Through context clues within the games combined with Contact Harvest it's been pretty clear that any human is considered a Reclaimer.

Primordium complicates things though by stating that there is such a thing as a "last true Reclaimer", to whom Chakas speaks to in the prologue. I have got a funny feeling that it is Master Chief. (Or the Spartan-IIs in general going from what Bear said at Comic-Con) Nothing solid just now but I think I can guess on where the story might be going with this. It looks like 343 Industries are retconning Humanity as reclaimers in some fashion by creating two distinctions. (Which I think is debauching to the story but I digress) Indeed, Spark seemed to be really interested in Master Chief in that video for some reason by going as far as scanning his armour.


There has always been a clear difference in the usage of reclaimer between a spartan and a normal human.

When a normal human is being talked about it is just "reclaimer" but when an SII comes into the picture it is reclaimer.

I am going to say that humans (-blam!- sapiens) are the general reclaimers. And my idea of reclaimer is simply that, the humans are suppose to reclaim what they lost in the forerunner/flood wars and probably something from precursor times.

Spartans get special attention because they are directly related to ancient humans though i don't have any idea what their direct purpose is. I find this interesting since they are genetically tampered yet receive more attention than a "pure" human. This is why i think ancient humans were naturally spartan like or the entire race was augmented just like the forerunners might be with mutations.


I tend to believe that true because i would like to believe that the humans had to fight forerunners in hand to hand combat at one point; so it would be hard to think that a 6 foot tall human would be fighting a 12 foot tall forerunner than something around 8-9 feet.

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Doesn't necessarily mean he's only referring to the Chief. At that point in the dialogue he's already referring to humans as a whole rather than any one individual.


While you are again right - to an extent - it does mean (also to an extent) he is talking about the Master Chief because he scans him, and his armor then focuses on his helmet. Which is also where the Master Chief inserts Cortana into himself.

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For me the terminal trailer almost garantes foreruners being in halo 4's game(the actually forerunners not robots), omore secrets being revieled atleast in the story.

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