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Subject: Your feelings on Warnings?

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I think warnings are good, because if you're new to the forums and you post something that doesn't belong there a 3-day ban isn't the right thing. However, it should definitely NOT affect your title.

  • 08.18.2011 6:39 AM PDT
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Why so angry dude? I see what Ken is saying, and it makes sense. Warnings are like a "Hey man, please don't do that again or there will be consequences." and that's supposed to set you straight alone. Don't see why your title has to be affected along the way ya know :/
Posted by: Homeboyd903

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Kretos
Warnings should affect your trust rating (and titles) simply because you are doing something that is borderline rule-breaking. Instead of banning you, the ninjas are nice enough to give you a little "knock it off".


But then that isn't a warning if you are punished some how.

Definition:

1. A statement or event that indicates a possible or impending danger, problem, or other unpleasant situation: "a warning about heavy thunderstorms".
2. Cautionary advice

It is to advise someone not seek action against someone.

So it's an issue of semantics. Your lobbying to change the system so that a "warning" no longer means an effective punishment is attached. How about we do away with "warnings" or just call them something else so that you don't get upset when you get 'punished' after receiving only a 'warning.'

Or, just leave it the way it is because it seems you're the only one with the problem here.

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Posted by: Homeboyd903
So it's an issue of semantics. Your lobbying to change the system so that a "warning" no longer means an effective punishment is attached. How about we do away with "warnings" or just call them something else so that you don't get upset when you get 'punished' after receiving only a 'warning.'

Or, just leave it the way it is because it seems you're the only one with the problem here.


I doubt anything will be changed, this thread is just about how you feel about warnings.

I do think though when you get a warning, it should end there.

But, I don't really have a problem, just something I have been thinking about.

  • 08.18.2011 6:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Keiyoti
Why so angry dude? I see what Ken is saying, and it makes sense. Warnings are like a "Hey man, please don't do that again or there will be consequences." and that's supposed to set you straight alone. Don't see why your title has to be affected along the way ya know :/

I'm not angry. Trying to explain this to him so that perhaps these threads will stop popping up.

And again, I see what you two are saying. But you two seem to have a problem with getting a "warning" because it has an attached punsishment. Obviously Achronos has the system set up this way for a reason. So how about next time, instead of a warning, you get a "demerit." No more warnings. Now, you get a "demerit" when you do something that would typically warrant a warning but now you can understand that there is a punishment attached and just accept it.

I still say 3 day bans should be your "warning" but you guys can't get over the whole "a warning shouldn't come with a punishment of any kind" thing for some reason.

  • 08.18.2011 6:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Homeboyd903

Posted by: Keiyoti
Why so angry dude? I see what Ken is saying, and it makes sense. Warnings are like a "Hey man, please don't do that again or there will be consequences." and that's supposed to set you straight alone. Don't see why your title has to be affected along the way ya know :/

I'm not angry. Trying to explain this to him so that perhaps these threads will stop popping up.

And again, I see what you two are saying. But you two seem to have a problem with getting a "warning" because it has an attached punsishment. Obviously Achronos has the system set up this way for a reason. So how about next time, instead of a warning, you get a "demerit." No more warnings. Now, you get a "demerit" when you do something that would typically warrant a warning but now you can understand that there is a punishment attached and just accept it.

I still say 3 day bans should be your "warning" but you guys can't get over the whole thing for some reason.


The only reason I am saying "a warning shouldn't come with a punishment of any kind" is becuase that is NOT what a warning does.

In fact, I even coped and pasted the definition of a warning in my other posts.

A warning should be a warning not a punishment, that is what I think. (but it probably won't happen/change and that is not the point of this thread, we are just discussing our views of warnings).

But a 3 day ban as a warning seems stupid.

So a person who makes his account 2 days ago posts in all caps or dumps a thread, you give him 3 days?

Yeah no, that would discourage new users to the site and it wouldn't be fair.

Also, if you want this thread to stop popping up, don't post in it.

[Edited on 08.18.2011 6:49 AM PDT]

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
. . . When i think of warnings, I think about a cop pulling over someone for speeding and says I will let you off with a warning, the driver faces no punishment . . .
But the next time the cop pulls you over, you're getting a ticket. Why? Because he warned you last time, and while you didn't receive any punishment, it did affect your trust rating with that cop.

Dinging your member title isn't any more of a punishment than that kind of warning. You can still participate in the forums the same way you did before. You don't have to do something to make up for your misbehavior. It's just a, "hey, if you do this again, there will be more consequences," kind of thing, just like in your example of the cop pulling you over and giving you a warning.

  • 08.18.2011 6:49 AM PDT

Ok this is the last response you're getting from me.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
The only reason I am saying "a warning shouldn't come with a punishment of any kind" is becuase that is NOT what a warning does.

In fact, I even coped and pasted the definition of a warning in my other posts.

Please read my previous 2 posts. Look up the word semantics. It is obvious your issue with getting a "warning" is that by definition, it shouldn't come with a punishment. Which is why I suggested calling it something different so you would stop getting hung up on this. Not sure how you missed that.

A warning should be a warning not a punishment, that is what I think. (but it probably won't happen/change and that is not the point of this thread, we are just discussing our views of warnings).
*sigh* see above response

But a 3 day ban as a warning seems stupid.
Ok. Making stealth complaint threads about how you lost your title because of a warning seems stupid.

So a person who makes his account 2 days ago posts in all caps or dumps a thread, you give him 3 days?
At a minimum. Read the rules or deal with the consequences.

Yeah no, that would discourage new users to the site and it wouldn't be fair.
Or they would understand they can't come here and post whatever crap they want and get away with it with a slap on the wrist. Think before you post.

Also, if you want this thread to stop popping up, don't post in it.
I guess that will somehow make you stop creating them? Doesn't seem likely based on previous trends.

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Posted by: Keiyoti
Warnings are like a "Hey man, please don't do that again or there will be consequences."
Are they?

I always understood them to be the equivalent of a police caution - not going to go all the way, but it will stay on your record and influence police action in the case of any future misdemeanours.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

So a person who makes his account 2 days ago posts in all caps or dumps a thread, you give him 3 days?

Yeah no, that would discourage new users to the site and it wouldn't be fair.


Joining a forum and posting has a direct effect on everyone else in the forum, people are going to see the post, and if its like "HOW DO I GET BLOO FLAEMS!?1?" its not only going to be nasty to look at it, its going to be unfair for other members.

Those members have abided by the rules, they have probably used the search bar to find answers and such. I understand that it is important to be slightly more lenient to newer members, but they need to put just as much effort in as us, and at least read the rules.

This is why i think it would be a good idea to have the ability to create posts suspended for the first week of an accounts life, and to have the rules as a sort of 'terms and conditions', that means when an account is created they have to look at the rules, and there is no excuse for not understanding them.

  • 08.18.2011 7:02 AM PDT

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Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Homeboyd903
Ok this is the last response you're getting from me. [/quote]

Okay good, we can stop bumping this thread.

Please read my previous 2 posts. Look up the word semantics. It is obvious your issue with getting a "warning" is that by definition, it shouldn't come with a punishment. Which is why I suggested calling it something different so you would stop getting hung up on this. Not sure how you missed that.[/quote]


Okay, that would be fine I guess.This isn't that big of a deal and I was just pointing something out. As I have said my intent was never to change anything.

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*sigh* see above response[/quote]
Already posted.

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At a minimum. Read the rules or deal with the consequences.[/quote]
A minimum, oh man will a lot of people leave this site.

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Or they would understand they can't come here and post whatever crap they want and get away with it with a slap on the wrist. Think before you post.[/quote]
Getting banned for 3 days is a slap across the face, not the wrist.

But they don't understand unless you teach them and a 3 day ban seems like it is more than needed.

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I guess that will somehow make you stop creating them? Doesn't seem likely based on previous trends.


Yeah I am not going to stop creating threads, ever.

In fact all you people whining about me making a thread, you all should of known I haven't made a thread in a while in the community forum.

In fact, I have been trying not to post here as often becuase of HOW RUDE the community has become to other users.

Either way if you don't like this thread, let it die.

[Edited on 08.18.2011 7:06 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2011 7:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Well if it is a warning, it should end there.

But, a warning works against you/affecting your title when it should just be a warning.

That was my point.

Just something I have been wondering about.


I understand your point completely. I was just pointing out the contradictory nature of your predicament.

If you don't care about member titles, or you don't care what your member title is than if your member title goes down because of a warning shouldn't affect you.

Yet you want warnings to have no bearing on a member title. To me that says that you either A) care greatly about member titles or B) care about others member titles. If it's A then you're contradicting yourself and if it's B then I would have to say mind your own business and just live your internet life here on b.net.

Just my opinion.

  • 08.18.2011 7:05 AM PDT

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Warnings are defined on the bungie.net forums as: not getting banned for minor rule breaking, eg: off-topic posting. They do not cover member titles.

Anchronos had stated that titles are chosen by a trust point system and this trust is lowered when a user gets warned or banned.

Take the following analogy:
A student misbehaves in class and is warned by the teacher to behave. Is that teacher going to have the same trust toward the student mentioned as they did before?

The point is title = trust and when you get warned, you basically lose trust from bungie.net and this ultimately effects your user title.

[Edited on 08.18.2011 7:07 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2011 7:06 AM PDT

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In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Well if it is a warning, it should end there.

But, a warning works against you/affecting your title when it should just be a warning.

That was my point.

Just something I have been wondering about.


I understand your point completely. I was just pointing out the contradictory nature of your predicament.

If you don't care about member titles, or you don't care what your member title is than if your member title goes down because of a warning shouldn't affect you.

Yet you want warnings to have no bearing on a member title. To me that says that you either A) care greatly about member titles or B) care about others member titles. If it's A then you're contradicting yourself and if it's B then I would have to say mind your own business and just live your internet life here on b.net.

Just my opinion.


I am fine with warnings but I don't understand how something is a warning if you are affected by it.

It was just an observation.

I nothing changes, GREAT, if something changes, GREAT.

  • 08.18.2011 7:08 AM PDT

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Moderators frequently use private messages to warn members without official punitive measures.

The system doesn't need useless warnings, as 1.) they already exist as listed above, and 2.) bans would just be used, instead of warnings.

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Warnings are retarded, they don't really warn you at all, and are instead a ban.

I got pulled over recently for driving with one brake light not working. The officer gave me an ACTUAL warning. All the officer said was, "I'm going to let you off on a [/i]warning[/i], just get it fixed as soon as possible."

Notice how the warning did not entail a three day stay at the county court house?


An ACTUAL warning system will be a lot better. Several members are naive when they break a rule, implementing a warning that had no hindrance to your trust is sensible and preferable.

  • 08.18.2011 7:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: komark
Notice how the warning did not entail a three day stay at the county court house?


An ACTUAL warning system will be a lot better. Several members are naive when they break a rule, implementing a warning that had no hindrance to your trust is sensible and preferable.


Which is where PM's come in.

Warnings are more like probation. They are meant to be only visible to you (or those who notice the member title drop).

Why is everyone comparing this forum to traffic violations? These two aren't even close to being related.

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I don't understand why one should care about a damn title, I mean really. Something so insignificant is cared about so much. A warning is basically nothing, and I think the one or so times I did get one that affected my title, I regained the title a few days afterwards.

Really it's

No big

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  • 08.18.2011 8:03 AM PDT

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My last warning had no impact on my title

I don't see what the problem is?

  • 08.18.2011 8:06 AM PDT

Posted by: komark
Warnings are retarded, they don't really warn you at all, and are instead a ban.

I got pulled over recently for driving with one brake light not working. The officer gave me an ACTUAL warning. All the officer said was, "I'm going to let you off on a [/i]warning[/i], just get it fixed as soon as possible."

Notice how the warning did not entail a three day stay at the county court house?


An ACTUAL warning system will be a lot better. Several members are naive when they break a rule, implementing a warning that had no hindrance to your trust is sensible and preferable.
Continuing with ken's analogy that's equivalent to getting a PM from a moderator saying, "hey, you can't do this". The cops can give you an "official" warning that is written down and entered into their databases therefore affecting your trust.

My point is the current warning/ban system is set up the exact same way as getting a ticket/arrested is.

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I have never been warned before. I have gotten 2 bans though where I think one of them should be a warning.

As I see it warnings are given when a forum ninja feel that it is just not enough to give a ban, but enough to have to tell them to know the limit and the rules. So a warning should affect the member title, but not as much as a ban. I dont know if it is like that already as I havent been warned myself.

  • 08.18.2011 9:06 AM PDT

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I've always looked at warnings as a slap on the wrist. You do something bad, that doesn't quite warrant a spanking, so instead, you get slapped on the wrist. They both hurt, but one hurts a lot less.

You still broke a rule when you get a warning, so you should be punished for it. In all truth, I think warnings should be called something else, because they're really not a warning. They're more of a mild form of punishment that acts like warning to not do it again, or something even worse.

A warning is like burning yourself on the stove for the first time. It hurts a lot, but it teaches you not to stick your face on the stove next time, because it's going to hurt even more. I hope I'm making sense... :/

  • 08.18.2011 9:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Well if it is a warning, it should end there.

But, a warning works against you/affecting your title when it should just be a warning.

That was my point.

Just something I have been wondering about.

Semantics. The warning system isn't literal warnings. Hell, if you read half the posts in this thread I would hope you'd realize how naive your suggestion actually is.

  • 08.18.2011 9:45 AM PDT

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I've been here for two years and I've never been banned/warned once.

Edit: Guess my prefix shows that.

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and now it looks like i have to wait more now to get a higher title

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