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Subject: Where do the forerunner get the materials to build halo.
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The Forerunners had very advanced technology, so the probably invented very advanced fusion reactors that can work with heavy elements. It is very likely that they had the technology to fuse hydrogen into other elements. Since most of the universe is made from hydrogen, they could feasibly collect the materials for several rings from a single star. This solves the problem of the properties of materials, since they could probably make any element.

Also, if most of the universe is made from dark matter, and they could harvest it, thy wouldn't have to touch asteroids if they change it into the elements needed to make a ring world, shield world, or a Dyson shell.

Posted by: opogjijijp
The materials should easily be available in just a single solar system. Between the asteroid belt, trojans, kuiper belt, and oort cloud, we could probably find more than enough materials to build a Halo in our own system. They collectively mass several times more than Earth, and Halos appear to have far less volume.

Halos are very very tiny compared to the amount of mass that is present in our solar system. You could probably make several Halos before you start having to take apart planets and moons. It's not like building a Dyson Shell(maybe not enough material in solar system) or Ringworld(enough mass, but much more difficult to the properties of materials needed)


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Posted by: Silent Lone Wolf
The Forerunners had very advanced technology, so the probably invented very advanced fusion reactors that can work with heavy elements. It is very likely that they had the technology to fuse hydrogen into other elements. Since most of the universe is made from hydrogen, they could feasibly collect the materials for several rings from a single star. This solves the problem of the properties of materials, since they could probably make any element.

Also, if most of the universe is made from dark matter, and they could harvest it, thy wouldn't have to touch asteroids if they change it into the elements needed to make a ring world, shield world, or a Dyson shell.



When all's said and done it would be most straightforward just to mine it from existing stuff.
And we know they had big mining ships.

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Posted by: prometheus25
The Forerunner were able to manipulate matter on the grandest scales. In Cryptum, it was said that the best builders could bring asteroids together and build planets or even create stars from nebulae.

Of course, this would all take a very long time.

The material was taken from planets, strip mined and used for resources.


Posted by: TIM427
I say that they followed the principle of e=mc^2. In other words with enough energy you can "create" mass. The opposite of this is observable in the A-bomb.


Also, this is very very wrong. Matter does not turn into energy in a nuclear detonation (and honestly, e=mc^2 isn't the real equation, and is actually a simplification of the true equation Einstein developed).

The energy in a nuclear detonation comes from the strong nuclear force that is broken when U235 is splt, releasing massive amounts of energy.


Yes, but he was talking about nuclear fusion, whereas you're talking about fission. In nuclear fusion, highly energetic nuclei collide, and some of their kinetic energy is used in binding them together. The mass of the reaction product is always different than the combined mass of the particles that went in. The difference in mass is due to nuclear binding energy, which originally came from the kinetic energy of the particles. Hence, energy is converted into mass.

Still, I think it'd be easier to just mine asteroids and planets than to make all the material for the Halos from hydrogen. The stars already do the fusion for free, you just have to go out and get it.

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Posted by: That guy on Bnet
Yeah Mushroom just sort of answered your question spot on.
Makes absolute sense and he poked a major hole in your logic OP.

They had dozens of planets to find the 'materials' they needed on.

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Posted by: wu haoxuan
Yes, but he was talking about nuclear fusion, whereas you're talking about fission. In nuclear fusion, highly energetic nuclei collide, and some of their kinetic energy is used in binding them together. The mass of the reaction product is always different than the combined mass of the particles that went in. The difference in mass is due to nuclear binding energy, which originally came from the kinetic energy of the particles. Hence, energy is converted into mass.

Still, I think it'd be easier to just mine asteroids and planets than to make all the material for the Halos from hydrogen. The stars already do the fusion for free, you just have to go out and get it.


There is no mass in nuclear bonds.

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Posted by: JFMK2
The planetoid at the center of the Ark appears to be extensively strip mined. Yes, the Halo rings have a diameter that rivals that of Earth, yet given that the Halo rings is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than a planet with regards to it's surface area/mass ratio, I suppose it's not hard to imagine that a single small planetoid could easily provide the raw materials for a single Halo.

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Posted by: JFMK2
The planetoid at the center of the Ark appears to be extensively strip mined. Yes, the Halo rings have a diameter that rivals that of Earth, yet given that the Halo rings is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than a planet with regards to it's surface area/mass ratio, I suppose it's not hard to imagine that a single small planetoid could easily provide the raw materials for a single Halo.


For a single fortress world at that.

  • 08.19.2011 12:37 PM PDT

A mixture of strip mining moons like the Foundry and probably altering metals on a molecular level.

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Posted by: JFMK2
The planetoid at the center of the Ark appears to be extensively strip mined. Yes, the Halo rings have a diameter that rivals that of Earth, yet given that the Halo rings is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than a planet with regards to it's surface area/mass ratio, I suppose it's not hard to imagine that a single small planetoid could easily provide the raw materials for a single Halo.


For a single fortress world at that.
...You're right. I have no idea what my blood alcohol content was when I typed that, the planetoid could easily provide the raw material to construct an array of rings far greater than the one currently in commission.

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There could also could be a place that you can only get to through the slipstream, where there were materials as far as the eye could see... or what ever those thing the forerunners had for sight are called.

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The Forerunners are so advanced they probably could materialize it from elements in the air.

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Posted by: Metroidman42
The Forerunners are so advanced they probably could materialize it from elements in the air.


seriously people did you even read cryptum?

The forerunners aren't really THAT advanced at all.

Their technology was always been advancing like any other race, it has only "stabilized" within the last 25,000 years of their empire. even then the halo and the ark were the pinnacle of what they could do and were pushing it at that.

the forerunners still had a long ways to go tech wise, i think didact himself stated that not to mention they did not beat the flood. There are several things the forerunners should be able to do but can't which speaks for their culture and technological advancement.


in short, they were not that advanced.

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Depends on who you compare it to...
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Posted by: Metroidman42
The Forerunners are so advanced they probably could materialize it from elements in the air.


seriously people did you even read cryptum?

The forerunners aren't really THAT advanced at all.

Their technology was always been advancing like any other race, it has only "stabilized" within the last 25,000 years of their empire. even then the halo and the ark were the pinnacle of what they could do and were pushing it at that.

the forerunners still had a long ways to go tech wise, i think didact himself stated that not to mention they did not beat the flood. There are several things the forerunners should be able to do but can't which speaks for their culture and technological advancement.


in short, they were not that advanced.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am sure if you compare America to some 3rd world country they would look epically amazing also. This is so subjective and circumstantial i have nothing to retort with.

The only reason the forerunners lost to the humans was because

1. War wasn't their goal

2. they were drained from fighting the flood.

3. they were down to 1/3 population.


and despite all that they fought the "godly and unstoppable forerunners" for ONE HUNDRED YEARS? i don't think people understand how serious that is.

The didact himself wonders what would have happened if the humans WANTED to invade and they were at FULL population.
I guarantee you that if that was the cause the humans would have won.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Metroidman42
The Forerunners are so advanced they probably could materialize it from elements in the air.


seriously people did you even read cryptum?

The forerunners aren't really THAT advanced at all.

Their technology was always been advancing like any other race, it has only "stabilized" within the last 25,000 years of their empire. even then the halo and the ark were the pinnacle of what they could do and were pushing it at that.

the forerunners still had a long ways to go tech wise, i think didact himself stated that not to mention they did not beat the flood. There are several things the forerunners should be able to do but can't which speaks for their culture and technological advancement.


in short, they were not that advanced.


I'm pretty sure it was a comedic hyperbole....

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Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: wu haoxuan
Yes, but he was talking about nuclear fusion, whereas you're talking about fission. In nuclear fusion, highly energetic nuclei collide, and some of their kinetic energy is used in binding them together. The mass of the reaction product is always different than the combined mass of the particles that went in. The difference in mass is due to nuclear binding energy, which originally came from the kinetic energy of the particles. Hence, energy is converted into mass.

Still, I think it'd be easier to just mine asteroids and planets than to make all the material for the Halos from hydrogen. The stars already do the fusion for free, you just have to go out and get it.


There is no mass in nuclear bonds.


*Sigh

You could have at least checked the first google search result before spouting off on something you obviously know very little about. Read the first 2 paragraphs and you will know what I was talking about. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions.

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Posted by: grey101

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Magic.



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Totally WEAK.
*Faceboobs

Hows that?

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