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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: johnthethird

How about you tell us how they got there and lasted for 4-5 years and i'll retort with a jackass sarcastic response?
Flood are very resiliant. They don't need to be constantly feeding to survive. Besides these are pure forms who don't need to go infect someone to live. If they survived centuries on halo they can survive years on a ship. And we don't know how long it was.



1. how did the flood get past that large gap to the ship?

2. why didn't cortana pick them up?

3. The flood CAN NOT live in the cold fringes of space for years.


1. They jumped. Flood have High jumps. Or maybe they stole some covenant or human vehicles

2. It is a damaged and cut in half ship. The radar is down

3. How do you know? Maybe they can.

Well the flood is made of biomass and the last time I checked biomass cant survive in space without something protecting it.

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Posted by: grey101
no flood is on FuD.[/quote]how do you know?[/quote]

How about you tell us how they got there and lasted for 4-5 years and i'll retort with a jackass sarcastic response?[/quote]Flood are very resiliant. They don't need to be constantly feeding to survive. Besides these are pure forms who don't need to go infect someone to live. If they survived centuries on halo they can survive years on a ship. And we don't know how long it was.



1. how did the flood get past that large gap to the ship?

2. why didn't cortana pick them up?

3. The flood CAN NOT live in the cold fringes of space for years.


1. They jumped. Flood have High jumps. Or maybe they stole some covenant or human vehicles

2. It is a damaged and cut in half ship. The radar is down

3. How do you know? Maybe they can.



the flood could not jump that, that is easily 20 feet.

Um you don't use radar on a ship to find out who is one a ship

Do you know ANYTHING about space? seriously, the flood would freeze.

  • 08.20.2011 11:02 AM PDT


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Posted by: johnthethird

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1. I don't need to it's a theory. 343 can make it a shield world if they want to.
2. Well sure. They chilled on halo for centuries starving. They are very resiliant.
3. Okay well then help me to find connection so I can revise my theory. They talk similar and they both called themselves timeless. That is not proof but thats evidence.


1. You just said it was. If this was a theory, you would provide evidence to support this. Next time, don't make claims you can't back up.

2. Yes, in hibernation. Yet the FuD has a perfectly good human stored nearby. The Flood being on FuD makes no sense.

3. No, this is your theory, bring your own evidence. I already accept the Gravemind as the last Precursor, but you don't give much if any evidence.


1. Yes I did in my theory it does turn out to be one. There is no real telling what it is so I did my best to guess.

2. Well I put in my theory that gravemind wanted to strike a deal with master chief so he was probably controlling the flood.

3. In Cryptum the captive went missing and alot of people thought he went to the delta halo. He probably is that gravemind seeing how it is much more poetic than a regular flood. And if you don't like my theory then help change it.


Again, YOU LACK ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. A theory is a guess, but it's a guess that has evidence. There is none besides "I just guessed".

Your theory sucks and no amount of help will make it better.
The fact is that everything I said can happen and that's all the evidence I named. Also it is likely to happen. Shield worlds have been constantly mentioned throughout halo books and even in halo 3. THe gravemind said he was timeless just like the timeless one did. IT's not hard to draw 2 and 2 together. The ship is just sitting there. It's easy for one to escape onto it. Easy I tell you.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Um it isn't a "fact" and the flood did not get on that ship

  • 08.20.2011 11:03 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: grey101
no flood is on FuD.[/quote]how do you know?[/quote]

How about you tell us how they got there and lasted for 4-5 years and i'll retort with a jackass sarcastic response?[/quote]Flood are very resiliant. They don't need to be constantly feeding to survive. Besides these are pure forms who don't need to go infect someone to live. If they survived centuries on halo they can survive years on a ship. And we don't know how long it was.



1. how did the flood get past that large gap to the ship?

2. why didn't cortana pick them up?

3. The flood CAN NOT live in the cold fringes of space for years.


1. They jumped. Flood have High jumps. Or maybe they stole some covenant or human vehicles

2. It is a damaged and cut in half ship. The radar is down

3. How do you know? Maybe they can.



the flood could not jump that, that is easily 20 feet.

Um you don't use radar on a ship to find out who is one a ship

Do you know ANYTHING about space? seriously, the flood would freeze.
how do you know that. Have we ever seen flood in space? No. Do we know how flood react to vacume? no. You are assuming the flood can't jump 20 feet. I bet they can jump 50 feet. Try basing your arguements on evidence like I do.

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Posted by: johnthethird
The fact is that everything I said can happen and that's all the evidence I named. Also it is likely to happen. Shield worlds have been constantly mentioned throughout halo books and even in halo 3. THe gravemind said he was timeless just like the timeless one did. IT's not hard to draw 2 and 2 together. The ship is just sitting there. It's easy for one to escape onto it. Easy I tell you.


Saying "It can happen" is not evidence, try again.

  • 08.20.2011 11:04 AM PDT


Posted by: That guy on Bnet
Well the flood is made of biomass and the last time I checked biomass cant survive in space without something protecting it.
Maybe when the flood mutates it developes resistances to vacume. My theory is very likely and certainly not impossible.

  • 08.20.2011 11:05 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: johnthethird
The fact is that everything I said can happen and that's all the evidence I named. Also it is likely to happen. Shield worlds have been constantly mentioned throughout halo books and even in halo 3. THe gravemind said he was timeless just like the timeless one did. IT's not hard to draw 2 and 2 together. The ship is just sitting there. It's easy for one to escape onto it. Easy I tell you.


Saying "It can happen" is not evidence, try again.
Yes it is evidence. I showed how my theory is possible that means it is Legit. If it is impossible it is a bad theory. Knowing 343 it is in fact very likely.

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Posted by: grey101
Um it isn't a "fact" and the flood did not get on that ship
It is a fact, and how do you know that? I bet they did.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
no flood is on FuD.[/quote]how do you know?[/quote]

How about you tell us how they got there and lasted for 4-5 years and i'll retort with a jackass sarcastic response?[/quote]Flood are very resiliant. They don't need to be constantly feeding to survive. Besides these are pure forms who don't need to go infect someone to live. If they survived centuries on halo they can survive years on a ship. And we don't know how long it was.[/quote]


1. how did the flood get past that large gap to the ship?

2. why didn't cortana pick them up?

3. The flood CAN NOT live in the cold fringes of space for years.[/quote]

1. They jumped. Flood have High jumps. Or maybe they stole some covenant or human vehicles

2. It is a damaged and cut in half ship. The radar is down

3. How do you know? Maybe they can.[/quote]


the flood could not jump that, that is easily 20 feet.

Um you don't use radar on a ship to find out who is one a ship

Do you know ANYTHING about space? seriously, the flood would freeze.
how do you know that. Have we ever seen flood in space? No. Do we know how flood react to vacume? no. You are assuming the flood can't jump 20 feet. I bet they can jump 50 feet. Try basing your arguements on evidence like I do.


the forerunners build most sections of there ships out of light. thus after they fought the flood infected sections would be cut off and left into space.


Why? because the cold region of space kills anything.

  • 08.20.2011 11:09 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: johnthethird

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Posted by: johnthethird
The fact is that everything I said can happen and that's all the evidence I named. Also it is likely to happen. Shield worlds have been constantly mentioned throughout halo books and even in halo 3. THe gravemind said he was timeless just like the timeless one did. IT's not hard to draw 2 and 2 together. The ship is just sitting there. It's easy for one to escape onto it. Easy I tell you.


Saying "It can happen" is not evidence, try again.
Yes it is evidence. I showed how my theory is possible that means it is Legit. If it is impossible it is a bad theory. Knowing 343 it is in fact very likely.


You haven't even backed up your claims. You only assume it's a Shield World, it could be the Death Star or Unicron for all we know. And considering the Forerunners LEFT the Orion Arm of the Milky Way, a Shield World serves no purpose anymore.

One saying from the Gravemind isn't enough to sell the idea he is the last Precursor. I already think he is, but if I didn't, this would convince me.

And about your "Flood on the Dawn" point, again, why would they wait years to get to Chief, why didn't Cortana detect them, and how did they get onto the Dawn. I saw you say they used UNSC or Covenant vehicles, where are they?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: That guy on Bnet
Well the flood is made of biomass and the last time I checked biomass cant survive in space without something protecting it.
Maybe when the flood mutates it developes resistances to vacume. My theory is very likely and certainly not impossible.


and if they could do that they wouldn't need ships to travel in space.

  • 08.20.2011 11:12 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
no flood is on FuD.[/quote]how do you know?[/quote]

How about you tell us how they got there and lasted for 4-5 years and i'll retort with a jackass sarcastic response?[/quote]Flood are very resiliant. They don't need to be constantly feeding to survive. Besides these are pure forms who don't need to go infect someone to live. If they survived centuries on halo they can survive years on a ship. And we don't know how long it was.[/quote]


1. how did the flood get past that large gap to the ship?

2. why didn't cortana pick them up?

3. The flood CAN NOT live in the cold fringes of space for years.[/quote]

1. They jumped. Flood have High jumps. Or maybe they stole some covenant or human vehicles

2. It is a damaged and cut in half ship. The radar is down

3. How do you know? Maybe they can.[/quote]


the flood could not jump that, that is easily 20 feet.

Um you don't use radar on a ship to find out who is one a ship

Do you know ANYTHING about space? seriously, the flood would freeze.
how do you know that. Have we ever seen flood in space? No. Do we know how flood react to vacume? no. You are assuming the flood can't jump 20 feet. I bet they can jump 50 feet. Try basing your arguements on evidence like I do.


the forerunners build most sections of there ships out of light. thus after they fought the flood infected sections would be cut off and left into space.


Why? because the cold region of space kills anything.
Or maybe because the flood have nothing to grab onto in space and would just float into the abys. While in the ship, they would not drift away.

  • 08.20.2011 11:13 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: That guy on Bnet
Well the flood is made of biomass and the last time I checked biomass cant survive in space without something protecting it.
Maybe when the flood mutates it developes resistances to vacume. My theory is very likely and certainly not impossible.

Sure they would ever thought of propultion? FTL?
and if they could do that they wouldn't need ships to travel in space.

  • 08.20.2011 11:14 AM PDT


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Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: johnthethird
The fact is that everything I said can happen and that's all the evidence I named. Also it is likely to happen. Shield worlds have been constantly mentioned throughout halo books and even in halo 3. THe gravemind said he was timeless just like the timeless one did. IT's not hard to draw 2 and 2 together. The ship is just sitting there. It's easy for one to escape onto it. Easy I tell you.


Saying "It can happen" is not evidence, try again.
Yes it is evidence. I showed how my theory is possible that means it is Legit. If it is impossible it is a bad theory. Knowing 343 it is in fact very likely.


You haven't even backed up your claims. You only assume it's a Shield World, it could be the Death Star or Unicron for all we know. And considering the Forerunners LEFT the Orion Arm of the Milky Way, a Shield World serves no purpose anymore.

One saying from the Gravemind isn't enough to sell the idea he is the last Precursor. I already think he is, but if I didn't, this would convince me.

And about your "Flood on the Dawn" point, again, why would they wait years to get to Chief, why didn't Cortana detect them, and how did they get onto the Dawn. I saw you say they used UNSC or Covenant vehicles, where are they?


The Ship is not in the Orion arm it is in an unknown region of space.

Exactly. This would convince you because the evidence is undenyable.

The Vehicles are on the ship. Cortana did not detect them as I mentioned because the -blam!- ship was cut in half and sensors are down.

  • 08.20.2011 11:18 AM PDT

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i agree with deception cobra and grey101 on this topic...


Your theory is completely incorrect and stupid.

1. Its not Onyx nor a shield world (as of course meantioned by one of the ppl im agreeing with)

2. Flood aren't on the FuD

3. Not 100% sure but the Gravemind IS the Last Precursor. Not sure in my own opinion but just putting it out there based off a very interesting theory from Ajw34307 that suggests that GM is the LP. But your theory dosen't make sense nor would it happen that way at all.

  • 08.20.2011 11:18 AM PDT


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i agree with deception cobra and grey101 on this topic...


Your theory is completely incorrect and stupid.

1. Its not Onyx nor a shield world (as of course meantioned by one of the ppl im agreeing with)

2. Flood aren't on the FuD

3. Not 100% sure but the Gravemind IS the Last Precursor. Not sure in my own opinion but just putting it out there based off a very interesting theory from Ajw34307 that suggests that GM is the LP. But your theory dosen't make sense nor would it happen that way at all.


1. Prove it's not a Shield world. I never said it was Onyx.

2. I went over this I explained how they could be on the FUD

3. You don't have to be 100% sure and I knew it was gravemind the second I read the ending of the book.

  • 08.20.2011 11:20 AM PDT

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i agree with deception cobra and grey101 on this topic...


Your theory is completely incorrect and stupid.

1. Its not Onyx nor a shield world (as of course meantioned by one of the ppl im agreeing with)

2. Flood aren't on the FuD

3. Not 100% sure but the Gravemind IS the Last Precursor. Not sure in my own opinion but just putting it out there based off a very interesting theory from Ajw34307 that suggests that GM is the LP. But your theory dosen't make sense nor would it happen that way at all.


1. Prove it's not a Shield world. I never said it was Onyx.

2. I went over this I explained how they could be on the FUD

3. You don't have to be 100% sure and I knew it was gravemind the second I read the ending of the book.


Well i cant explain proof of the first point...

but we know that the gravemind is still alive, he waasnt actually present on high charity/wherever we saw him. It was just flood.

He (a very reasonable theory i heard) spoke through the flood to us. He was else where in the galaxy.

That being said, if we dont know where he is, saying hes not on the forerunner planet we see in the H4 trailer, how could he be in H4

dont get me wrong i would love to see flood/gravemind in H4 but how would he get there.

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@John

The burden of proof is on you...you made the claim and you will have to prove it's a shield world and don't come up with the crap "it's possible"

  • 08.20.2011 11:27 AM PDT


Posted by: txgrim4z

Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: txgrim4z
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i agree with deception cobra and grey101 on this topic...


Your theory is completely incorrect and stupid.

1. Its not Onyx nor a shield world (as of course meantioned by one of the ppl im agreeing with)

2. Flood aren't on the FuD

3. Not 100% sure but the Gravemind IS the Last Precursor. Not sure in my own opinion but just putting it out there based off a very interesting theory from Ajw34307 that suggests that GM is the LP. But your theory dosen't make sense nor would it happen that way at all.


1. Prove it's not a Shield world. I never said it was Onyx.

2. I went over this I explained how they could be on the FUD

3. You don't have to be 100% sure and I knew it was gravemind the second I read the ending of the book.


Well i cant explain proof of the first point...

but we know that the gravemind is still alive, he waasnt actually present on high charity/wherever we saw him. It was just flood.

He (a very reasonable theory i heard) spoke through the flood to us. He was else where in the galaxy.

That being said, if we dont know where he is, saying hes not on the forerunner planet we see in the H4 trailer, how could he be in H4

dont get me wrong i would love to see flood/gravemind in H4 but how would he get there.
Remember those giant tenticles that attacked the pelican in the level The Covenant??? Gravemind. Maybe his Precursor body is inside of that giant gravenind body, and he in his true form left it with some pure forms guarding him, and he escaped onto chiefs ship.

  • 08.20.2011 11:30 AM PDT


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@John

The burden of proof is on you...you made the claim and you will have to prove it's a shield world and don't come up with the crap "it's possible"
Do you know how much foreshadowing there was in halo 3 for a shield world? Play the campain again and you'll see. I don't need proof theres evidence.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

cobra,tx,hotshot.


I submit, this is too much ignorance for me to handle.

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Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: hotshot revan II
@John

The burden of proof is on you...you made the claim and you will have to prove it's a shield world and don't come up with the crap "it's possible"
Do you know how much foreshadowing there was in halo 3 for a shield world? Play the campain again and you'll see. I don't need proof theres evidence.


And again you just failed at giving any evidence,instead of giving it you tell me to look for it myself.WTF do you think you are?In a debate it is up to YOU to post evidence and not your opponents,you shouldn't tell them to look for it themselfs.

I played the campaign several times and nothing even points to the fact that it even is one.

You know what,if you are sooooo sure of it then let's make a bet.
You say it's a shield world,i say it isn't.Wanna take that bet?Let's see if you are confident enough.

  • 08.20.2011 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
cobra,tx,hotshot.


I submit, this is too much ignorance for me to handle.
yes maybe you should learn more.

  • 08.20.2011 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: johnthethird

Posted by: hotshot revan II
@John

The burden of proof is on you...you made the claim and you will have to prove it's a shield world and don't come up with the crap "it's possible"
Do you know how much foreshadowing there was in halo 3 for a shield world? Play the campain again and you'll see. I don't need proof theres evidence.


And again you just failed at giving any evidence,instead of giving it you tell me to look for it myself.WTF do you think you are?In a debate it is up to YOU to post evidence and not your opponents,you shouldn't tell them to look for it themselfs.

I played the campaign several times and nothing even points to the fact that it even is one.

You know what,if you are sooooo sure of it then let's make a bet.
You say it's a shield world,i say it isn't.Wanna take that bet?Let's see if you are confident enough.
I don't bet based on theories. Now I didn't say look for evidence I supplied plenty of that. I said look for foreshadowing.

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