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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
and they are roughly as strong as a gorilla.

Where's the proof?


This was stated somewhere in time just like spartans being equal to a major elite.


I can't remember all the sources from the last ten years.

  • 08.23.2011 7:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
and they are roughly as strong as a gorilla.

Where's the proof?

This was stated somewhere in time just like spartans being equal to a major elite.


I can't remember all the sources from the last ten years.

Now, do you honestly expect me of all people to fall for this?

This then raises another issue for me. If one cannot remember the source, then how can I trust that they have remembered its content and context with 100% clarity?

Given that their homeworld has 30% less gravity than Earth, I see no logical reason for them being that strong in the absence of any other evidence.

  • 08.23.2011 8:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

lol.


Well if that statement is to be thrown out there are examples from the book that shows they are pretty strong.

  • 08.23.2011 8:19 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
lol.


Well if that statement is to be thrown out there are examples from the book that shows they are pretty strong.


Wait, if their homeworld has 30% less gravity than Earth, according to Anton, how are they that strong? A lot of harsh training, I presume.

[Edited on 08.23.2011 8:47 PM PDT]

  • 08.23.2011 8:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
lol.


Well if that statement is to be thrown out there are examples from the book that shows they are pretty strong.


Wait, if their homeworld has 30% less gravity than Earth, according to Anton, how are they that strong? A lot of harsh training, I presume.


you would have to consider the fact majority of them probably don't even come from that planet any more since they have been in the covenant for awhile.

  • 08.23.2011 8:56 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
lol.


Well if that statement is to be thrown out there are examples from the book that shows they are pretty strong.


Wait, if their homeworld has 30% less gravity than Earth, according to Anton, how are they that strong? A lot of harsh training, I presume.


you would have to consider the fact majority of them probably don't even come from that planet any more since they have been in the covenant for awhile.


Very good point. The grunts produce rapidly, so while a number are from the homeworld (the grunt character in the Flood I believe), I'd guess a good number are born on High Charity.

  • 08.23.2011 9:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
lol.


Well if that statement is to be thrown out there are examples from the book that shows they are pretty strong.


Wait, if their homeworld has 30% less gravity than Earth, according to Anton, how are they that strong? A lot of harsh training, I presume.


you would have to consider the fact majority of them probably don't even come from that planet any more since they have been in the covenant for awhile.


Very good point. The grunts produce rapidly, so while a number are from the homeworld (the grunt character in the Flood I believe), I'd guess a good number are born on High Charity.


I may be jumping the gun here, but from gameplay, doesn't High Charity have Earth-normal gravity? From all that I know, looking at Halo --which Cortana states that it has Earth-normal gravity-- I can assume the rest of Forerunner installations (not just the Halos) are the same. And since the Covenant draw their tech from the Forerunners, can we assume High Charity has normal Earth Gravity as well?

  • 08.23.2011 9:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Posted by: grey101
lol.


Well if that statement is to be thrown out there are examples from the book that shows they are pretty strong. [/quote]

Wait, if their homeworld has 30% less gravity than Earth, according to Anton, how are they that strong? A lot of harsh training, I presume.[/quote]

you would have to consider the fact majority of them probably don't even come from that planet any more since they have been in the covenant for awhile.[/quote]

Very good point. The grunts produce rapidly, so while a number are from the homeworld (the grunt character in the Flood I believe), I'd guess a good number are born on High Charity.


I may be jumping the gun here, but from gameplay, doesn't High Charity have Earth-normal gravity?


Nothing official has been given on High charity's Gravity so we couldn't say nor do we have anything to go by.

and the rings gravity could have been changed after the fact to suit us when we eventually found one.

  • 08.23.2011 9:28 PM PDT

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It seems like people are not giving the Drones the credit they deserve. If they have biological similarities to modern insects they could carry nearly 1,000 times their own weight. As shown with the Rhinoceros Beetle.

[Edited on 08.24.2011 3:30 AM PDT]

  • 08.24.2011 3:29 AM PDT

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Going a little off-subject here, I always thought it was pretty absurd how freakishly tall they made the Elites compared to a full-grown human man.
It's stated that the UNSC can hold their own in ground engagements, but with the Elites being that huge, I find that hard to believe.


Well primarily because strength is a non-factor in military engagements with the rise of new technology often referred to as firearms.

  • 08.24.2011 3:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Armeddragon77
It seems like people are not giving the Drones the credit they deserve. If they have biological similarities to modern insects they could carry nearly 1,000 times their own weight. As shown with the Rhinoceros Beetle.

That is a common misconception. A beetle, or an ant, will be weaker the bigger it gets. That is because as it gets bigger, it volume and so its weight would increase by the cube of the scale factor, which means a lot more weight on its bones/exoskeleton and for its muscles to move.

However, the cross-sectional area of muscles/bones/exoskeleton only increases with the square of the scale factor, and their strength is roughly proportionate to that area. You would have ever greater weights being distributed on smaller muscle/bone areas, until it gets to the point where the thing will not be able to move, and its bones will snap under its own weight.

An example would be that an ant can lift fairly large leaves which are many times its own body weight. This does not mean that it would be able to lift cars if you scaled one up in size. If you took an ant and made it 100 times bigger, then it would be 1 million times heavier. Its muscles/bones however would only be 10'000 times stronger. Therefore it would be 100 times weaker than a normal sized ant.

  • 08.24.2011 9:12 AM PDT

Grunts are not heavier than a human in any way maybe a small women but grunts=12 year old boys
Elites are heavier than an "average" human, elites are really 7'4 300+ pounds, humans can most definitely achieve that weight
Jackals are like grunts except slightly stronger
Skirmishers are about as strong as an "average" trooper but they're not tougher
Brutes are like half the strength of a silver back gorilla
Drones us their wings more than muscle that's how they pick up a man
hunters are just 50 lb worms so not much of a fight

  • 08.25.2011 8:50 AM PDT

obviously u have false data, i would ask you where your proof is from but its BS anyway grunts are 5ft 100-140 pounds(average)with their armor they are what u said 5'6 260
the extra 6 inches is from their methane supply on their back
Drones dont really us their muscles in their arms as much as the muscles in their wings

  • 08.25.2011 9:00 AM PDT


Posted by: dont bogart
Grunts are not heavier than a human in any way maybe a small women but grunts=12 year old boys
Elites are heavier than an "average" human, elites are really 7'4 300+ pounds, humans can most definitely achieve that weight
Jackals are like grunts except slightly stronger
Skirmishers are about as strong as an "average" trooper but they're not tougher
Brutes are like half the strength of a silver back gorilla
Drones us their wings more than muscle that's how they pick up a man
hunters are just 50 lb worms so not much of a fight



A: Where did you get that info on grunts.
B: Elites are taller, and undoubtably heavier then humans.
C: Eh...
D: Meh again.
E: Brutes are 9 foot tall, and come from a planet with 2g gravity. Their strength, agility, and endurance will be twice that of a human (If they were 6 foot tall). Due to the extra height it might very well be 3x.
F: Wings are a muscle.
G: Hunters are the worms formed into one being. They are talking about the hunters in the game, aka the combined version and not a single worm.

  • 08.25.2011 9:06 AM PDT


Posted by: X4N03R
Contrary to belief, Grunts are actually fairly strong, able to:

- Carry and wield a Fuel Rod Gun
- Carry and Wield a Brute Spiker or Plasma Rifle
- Carry, mount and deploy a Plasma Turret
- Ripped apart a human Private Osmo limb from limb in Halo: Contact Harvest

Jackals and by definition also Skirmishers can carry and wield some of the potentially heavier weapons, such as the Carbine, Needle Rifle, Beam Rifle and Plasma Rifle. I'd imagine they'd be about the equal of a Human in combat, possibly stronger, as they do prey upon lesser species such as Humans and Grunts. Skirmishers are probably also pretty strong.

Drones can claw a human to death, or even bodily lift an armored Marine into the air, although this may be with the aid of their antigravity propulsion aided flight.

Elites and Brutes carry some of the Covenant's heaviest weaponry, and can both equal or even best a Spartan in hand-to-hand combat. Undoubtedly the strongest Covanent races, barring a Mgalekgolo/Hunter.



The grunt that killed the overweight unit did not "rip" his body apart he clawed his stomach to death
fuel rods and rockets are about 50lbs and if you cant pick that up u are extremely weak
jackals are not near stronger than humans, skirmishers are near if not as strong
jackals arent just capable of consuming a human or grunt but an elite or a brute
Drones can only claw a human if it is already dead, if the human is not dead then he will try to rip its head off, remember drones are easy to dismember just like insects on earth, thats why they're quick and can fly. Drones only pick up humans by their muscle in their wings not much by their arms
spartan II's can best a every elite up to general or zealots but thats an average spartan II if it were someone like jorge or sam they could best a chieftan and take on a hunter(but probably lose)
elites dont use what brutes use, elites have exoskeleton just like spartans brutes are just naturally powerful. if u look at a dead elites wrist and look up its arm on halo reach u can see 3 skins
---1st Skin
thats the skin thats on the top and it holds thye armor to the 2nd skin
---2nd Skin
thats the skin that blocks projectiles and charges shields its similar to the 1st skin
---3rd Skin
this skin is under all the others and is over the real skin, this skin covers most of the body(do u really think elites run around in combat half naked) it is the reason elites run fast, lift heavy objects, and can rival a spartan.
but dont get me wrong elites are still stronger than humans but not as we thought before they are actually 1.3 times stronger than us, thats like a football lineman to an average human

  • 08.25.2011 9:37 AM PDT

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well you know forunners are humans right

  • 08.25.2011 10:12 AM PDT


Posted by: EchoTeam1020
well you know forunners are humans right


Wrong. I haven't even read cryptum and I know that's wrong.

  • 08.25.2011 10:21 AM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: anton1792
Mgalekgolo > Foreruner > Brute > Elite/Spartan > Skirmisher > Base Human > Grunts > Jackals > Prophets > Drones > Lekgolo

That would be my guess. A Lekgolo is just a 1m long worm, and so won't be able to lift anything. Drones are big bugs and are designed for flight, not walking so I would not guess for them to be that strong. Jackals come from a lower gravity world than Humans so I would not expect their muscles to be as efficient. Skirmishers can leap almost 18 feet, so they must be bread from higher gravity environments possibly making them stronger than Humans. The others are pretty much obvious I think.

I'm not sure about Grunts really. They are heavier than Humans, but their Homeworld only has 0.7G.


Going a little off-subject here, I always thought it was pretty absurd how freakishly tall they made the Elites compared to a full-grown human man.
It's stated that the UNSC can hold their own in ground engagements, but with the Elites being that huge, I find that hard to believe.


The bigger they are, the harder it is to find cover.

  • 08.25.2011 1:48 PM PDT


Posted by: EchoTeam1020
well you know forunners are humans right


As Cmdr said, wrong. I HAVE read Cryptum, they are two seperate races, albeit with shocking physical similarities (the only main difference being their hair color I believe; Born had blue hair) and the obvious artificial mutations that make them more like three Spartans in height and strength (at least in the case of Warriors).

  • 08.25.2011 1:56 PM PDT

Mgalekgolo > Precursor > Forerunner > Elite/Spartan > Brute > Drone > Kigyar/Human > Grunt > Prophet > Lekgolo worm

Mgalekgolo are not size limited as they are a formation of Lekgolo worms, so the more worms the larger the Mgalekgolo. Precursors are around 15 meters by 11 meters, making them quite large and also have 4 arms. Forerunner Warrior-Servants are known to be large and muscular because of genetic changes. Elites are higher than brutes because elites have quite the athletic skills.

[Edited on 08.25.2011 3:28 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: theDavester8000
Mgalekgolo > Precursor > Forerunner > Elite/Spartan > Brute > Drone > Kigyar/Human > Grunt > Prophet > Lekgolo worm

Mgalekgolo are not size limited as they are a formation of Lekgolo worms, so the more worms the larger the Mgalekgolo. Precursors are around 15 meters by 11 meters, making them quite large and also have 4 arms. Forerunner Warrior-Servants are known to be large and muscular because of genetic changes. Elites are higher than brutes because elites have quite the athletic skills.


Athletic skills don't mean strength. An incredibly agile person won't win a strength contest.

I'm sorry, but placing Elites/Spartans above Brutes just doesn't work. Brutes come from a 2g planet, are 9 feet tall, and are a fighting race. Just from the size and 2g factors alone rates them at... 2 or 3 times higher in the realms of strength, agility, and endurance over a human.

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you know what i mean...

no rilly, without their comat armor hunter are just a pile of worms

I dont think this is true. I believe I read somewhere that lekgolo can combine without armor, which was why they were so dangerous at first. I'll dbl check.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Here's my take on it, in descending strength order.

Mutated Forerunner in Armor
Mgalekgolo in Armor
Jiralhanae
Sangheili = Spartan in Armor
Kig-Yar = Yamne'e (look at how high Kig Yar can jump)
Human
Unggoy


You're thinking of Skirmishers not Jackals.

Kig Yar consist of Jackals and Skirmishers.

  • 08.25.2011 3:44 PM PDT


Posted by: RedSpectrum77

Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: ferrrari

you know what i mean...

no rilly, without their comat armor hunter are just a pile of worms

I dont think this is true. I believe I read somewhere that lekgolo can combine without armor, which was why they were so dangerous at first. I'll dbl check.


They completely owned the Elites in ground warfare before joining the covenant. So I'm fairly sure they can form without the armor :P.

  • 08.25.2011 3:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Here's my take on it, in descending strength order.

Mutated Forerunner in Armor
Mgalekgolo in Armor
Jiralhanae
Sangheili = Spartan in Armor
Kig-Yar = Yamne'e (look at how high Kig Yar can jump)
Human
Unggoy


You're thinking of Skirmishers not Jackals.

Kig Yar consist of Jackals and Skirmishers.


Specify which version of the species you're referring to.

  • 08.25.2011 3:50 PM PDT