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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Jonzx5
This was widely debated in the other thread. There is no evidence that Brute's are equally as fast and agile as Spartan's, while there is ton's of evidence showing Spartan's speed feats.
1. Dodging bullets
2. Dodging point blank plasma shots
3. "Spartan time" (In times of stress, seeing things happen in slow motion)
4. Moving with speed too fast for computers to track
How does any of this relate to the Brutes though? It tells us plainly what Spartans can do but not what Brutes can do.
Posted by: Jonzx5
The only evidence of a Brute's speed we have is when John saw one moving past his motion tracker, which as stated to have moved "faster than an Elite". That's an extremely broad observation, and had nothing to do with reflexes, which mean more in a hand to hand fight than being able to run fast.
Right after that it says "As fast as him."
Posted by: Jonzx5
And then this Legends episode.
1. If the writer's of the Legend's episode decided to portray the Spartan as being much more agile than the Brute, and Frank oversaw the episode's production, than they, the creators of Halo, have established Canon.
This is not valid.
In The Package, Halsey is depicted as looking like she is in her twentys. This is obviously false as in 2549 Halsey is aged 57. Halo Reach takes place 3 years after The Package, and yet she does not look in her twentys.
In The Duel, Fal killed an entire army (At least one hundred strong) on an open plain where there was no cover. He was armed with only two plasma swords. He had to run toward that army, and apparently never got hit. No one in that army even has to aim, all they have to do is open fire in Fal's general direction and probability will do the rest. Yet he emerges unscathed.
Using your argument these instances should be taken as canon.
Posted by: Jonzx5
2. The fan's can to a certain point argue and debate about inaccuracies in the episode, but the fan's have limited rights when it comes down to deciding true or false. The creator's ultimately get to decide if Spartan's or Brute's are more agile, and from this episode, it seems that Spartan's have the agility edge.
This is the only thing which gives definite proof one way. Other things have indicated that they are tied and that it is extremely difficult for a Spartan to take on a Brute in CQC one on one. (In First Strike there is that scene with John, and then in Ghosts of Onyx there is one with Fred at the Centennial Elevator) Legends is not trustworthy independently. If there were other sources stating that things are usually this effortless in a fight between the two then I would not see any issue with using it then.
Posted by: Jonzx5
(The best in the galaxy, as stated in Fall Of Reach)
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In The Package, Halsey is depicted as looking like she is in her twentys. This is obviously false as in 2549 Halsey is aged 57. Halo Reach takes place 3 years after The Package, and yet she does not look in her twentys.
That's an asthetic inaccuracy, completely irrelevant.
In The Duel, Fal killed an entire army (At least one hundred strong) on an open plain where there was no cover. He was armed with only two plasma swords. He had to run toward that army, and apparently never got hit. No one in that army even has to aim, all they have to do is open fire in Fal's general direction and probability will do the rest. Yet he emerges unscathed.
The army did open up in his general direction. The reason why he was not hit was because he deflected the shots with his Energy swords. We don't see him getting hit (Actually, if you watch very carefully you can see a few possible hits), but we can't automatically assume that he was not even hit a single time. He does have armor after all.
Right after that it says "As fast as him."
So from here, we get that a Brute's movement speed is as fast as a Spartan's. This is different from reflexes. As for reflexes:
1. Dodging bullets
2. Dodging point blank plasma shots
3. "Spartan time" (In times of stress, seeing things happen in slow motion)
4. Moving with speed too fast for computers to track
And what another member posted:
Master Chief was capable of dodging a few chaingun rounds wearing Mark IV armor. This requires(From 10 meters away) a 10 millisecond response time. This corresponds with the base reaction time of 20 miliseconds, combined with the force multipliers to make reaction time and response time near equal, and the reaction/response boosting properties of the MJOLNIR. This totals out at a 5 millisecond response time.
Combine that with 8 years of hardcore military training with some heavy focus on martial arts techniques, and it is very possible to beat a Brute in H2H.
Yes, I know that this only tells us what Spartan's can do and not what Brute's can do, but realisticly, with all the information given, what are the chances that a Brute has reflexes faster than that?
This is the only thing which gives definite proof one way. Other things have indicated that they are tied and that it is extremely difficult for a Spartan to take on a Brute in CQC one on one. (In First Strike there is that scene with John, and then in Ghosts of Onyx there is one with Fred at the Centennial Elevator) Legends is not trustworthy independently. If there were other sources stating that things are usually this effortless in a fight between the two then I would not see any issue with using it then.
So we are in partial agreement here. In my last post, I said that with all the evidence, I think that a Spartan would beat a Brute in hand to hand, but with more difficulty than portrayed in the episode.
The best in the galaxy, as stated in Fall Of Reach
Something along those lines were said, I dont have the book infront of me, but it was when Kelly and the rest of them were about to jump. Someone help.
[Edited on 08.29.2011 2:52 PM PDT]