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Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?

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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
I can't believe you guys are still arguing over this.

The UNSC will be in Halo 4. One way or another. Who's to say part of the game takes place after 2610? We just don't know. There's no point in arguing over this since we have no facts. It's like trying to argue why the sky is blue without ever seeing a large body of water. You don't have any of the dependent variables.
Exactly. TO be completely honest, both sides of this argument don't have any definitive proof. For UNSC can say: "Warthog from Halo 4=UNSC presence." Against UNSC can say: "Warthog=noncanon." For UNSC can say: "UNSC Infinity (or whatever the hell it is) means that they will be there!" Against UNSC can say: "It's concept art which could have long been dropped from the game." For UNSC: "Could be after 2610." Against UNSC: "Frankie said it wasn't far in the future."

It will go on in circles forever.

I personally think the UNSC will be in it in one form or another, but I can't back up my statements with facts. Just inferences. Tomorrow maybe this will be further explained at the Halo 4 panel, but until official info is out, akin to Shroedinger's cat, the UNSC is both in the game and not in the game.

  • 08.27.2011 2:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Honourable Elite
Maybe not everything takes place through the visor of Master Chief.

  • 08.27.2011 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: anish panchalin

My point exactly, tell this to cobra and grey
(apart from your assumption that the UNSC is in H4, thought it may be likely)


Timeline is key part of determining the UNSC and Ex-Covenant being at Halo 4...

If it's set in 2556-2560s, it wouldn't make sense for UNSC or ex Covenant to be at Halo 4 because UNSC would be still busy with repairing their losses from the war, nearly lost entire Navy, etc. Also ex-Covenant such as ELites are busy with Brutes in civil war, Grunts, Drones and Jackals likely went to home. Prophets are nowhere to be found. Hunters likely joined the Elites, thats all.

However, if it's set in post 2600s, then we can accept that UNSC coming in because there would be new weapons, etc.

So let's wait to Sunday panel. If they reveal that Halo 4 is set in 2600s, then we will accept it.

anish panchalin


also lol if the chief goes back to cyrosleep again until 2610 just to satisfy the enclyopedia's statement. Obviously this will never actually happen


Um... Encyclopedia states that it is possible for someone to sleep in cryosleep for a hundred years. So it may be likely for MC to go sleep.

[Edited on 08.27.2011 2:15 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 2:13 PM PDT


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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
I can't believe you guys are still arguing over this.

The UNSC will be in Halo 4. One way or another. Who's to say part of the game takes place after 2610? We just don't know. There's no point in arguing over this since we have no facts. It's like trying to argue why the sky is blue without ever seeing a large body of water. You don't have any of the dependent variables.
Exactly. TO be completely honest, both sides of this argument don't have any definitive proof. For UNSC can say: "Warthog from Halo 4=UNSC presence." Against UNSC can say: "Warthog=noncanon." For UNSC can say: "UNSC Infinity (or whatever the hell it is) means that they will be there!" Against UNSC can say: "It's concept art which could have long been dropped from the game." For UNSC: "Could be after 2610." Against UNSC: "Frankie said it wasn't far in the future."

It will go on in circles forever.

I personally think the UNSC will be in it in one form or another, but I can't back up my statements with facts. Just inferences.


Inferences which are solid pieces of evidence that lean toward their appearance in Halo 4.

  • 08.27.2011 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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Well, Cobra. I guess your argument is flat out dead. It's concept art, but why would 343 put this picture up on a public Halo 4 board at HALOFEST? This is an indirect confirmation that the UNSC will play the same role they've played in all Halo games.



I don't know, I don't work for 343. For all we know, this could just be a visual look of the Warthogs that could be in Glasslands and beyond. Either way, it's a violation of canon if the UNSC come into play. As for confirmation, I'll wait until 343 themselves admit the UNSC will play a role in Halo 4.

So you can claim premature victory if you wish, won't bug me.


And what if it is the Everest? That would not contradict anything. For all we know, Medicant Bias' atonement requires a Spartan like the Chief, or at least a human that he explicitly protected, which he did not with Everest. I doubt MB even knows what Everest is.

Hell, say the Everest's crew doesn't know where they are or what the purpose of the LP is. Medicant Bias is not their with them to use them as his atonement. He apparently needs the Chief.


Woah, slow down.. I haven't heard anything called the Everest. Yes, The terminals hint to the chief being special, yes MB needs a reclaimer, who is john, who is specially protected (last terminal in Halo 3). LP i'm guessing refers to the Legendary Planet, so perhaps you're reffering to a ship that arrives by the Legendary Planet that will aid MC and help deliver supplies. Since I just saw that Halo 4 poster with a very large human ship, Everest would make sense. Mt everest is the largest mountain on earth, and since the ship is apparently a prototype, it just may exist in Halo 4. There's no doubt that covie and UNSC forces will make a return. The series would be nowhere without some of those core weapons and vehicles, and 343i knows that gameplay trumps canon. What's the point of a game if it's not fun to play?

On another note, I don't like the new warthog design. The suspension looks ugly, modern (in context, ancient), and looks nothing what the standard Warthog apperas to be. I'm sure I'll get used to the body and turret, but the suspension I would nerf. Seriously, chec out the steering colum! it looks horrendus!

  • 08.27.2011 2:34 PM PDT

hmmdunno about unsc but I know thats a "shield world" in the trailer :P

[Edited on 08.27.2011 2:38 PM PDT]

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Can we drop it with the Shield world? I mean honestly.


The everest theory sounds the best to me.

  • 08.27.2011 2:42 PM PDT


Posted by: firedune

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Well, Cobra. I guess your argument is flat out dead. It's concept art, but why would 343 put this picture up on a public Halo 4 board at HALOFEST? This is an indirect confirmation that the UNSC will play the same role they've played in all Halo games.



I don't know, I don't work for 343. For all we know, this could just be a visual look of the Warthogs that could be in Glasslands and beyond. Either way, it's a violation of canon if the UNSC come into play. As for confirmation, I'll wait until 343 themselves admit the UNSC will play a role in Halo 4.

So you can claim premature victory if you wish, won't bug me.


And what if it is the Everest? That would not contradict anything. For all we know, Medicant Bias' atonement requires a Spartan like the Chief, or at least a human that he explicitly protected, which he did not with Everest. I doubt MB even knows what Everest is.

Hell, say the Everest's crew doesn't know where they are or what the purpose of the LP is. Medicant Bias is not their with them to use them as his atonement. He apparently needs the Chief.


Woah, slow down.. I haven't heard anything called the Everest. Yes, The terminals hint to the chief being special, yes MB needs a reclaimer, who is john, who is specially protected (last terminal in Halo 3). LP i'm guessing refers to the Legendary Planet, so perhaps you're reffering to a ship that arrives by the Legendary Planet that will aid MC and help deliver supplies. Since I just saw that Halo 4 poster with a very large human ship, Everest would make sense. Mt everest is the largest mountain on earth, and since the ship is apparently a prototype, it just may exist in Halo 4. There's no doubt that covie and UNSC forces will make a return. The series would be nowhere without some of those core weapons and vehicles, and 343i knows that gameplay trumps canon. What's the point of a game if it's not fun to play?

On another note, I don't like the new warthog design. The suspension looks ugly, modern (in context, ancient), and looks nothing what the standard Warthog apperas to be. I'm sure I'll get used to the body and turret, but the suspension I would nerf. Seriously, chec out the steering colum! it looks horrendus!


Everest is the flagship of Admiral Cole, who is thought dead. He most likely did a jump after causing a massive explosion, met up with his girlfriends fleet (rebels) then went far from the war to start a farming colony.

  • 08.27.2011 2:47 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!

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oh, I didn't know wht the Everest was. Well, at least It's accepted that Warthogs are universally agreed to be in the game. I do believe that some form of covenant vehicles and weapons are going to be in the game. Things as Iconic as the ghost, banshee, and plasma rifle don't go away easily. I'm sure that at least somethin similar wil exist in the game. Keep in mind that one something finds a niche, it's very hard to take out, like the splaser. I do expect there to be new weapons and vehicles, and some changes to gameplay. I'd like some change to the formula, but not so much that it is a drasuc change. Halo 2-3 is a good example.
On the subject of change, does anyone remember the Halo 3 shield door fiasco? It seems silly now, but that'll always how it will be like.


[Edited on 08.27.2011 3:46 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 3:45 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?

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Posted by: TI07 Shadow
hmmdunno about unsc but I know thats a "shield world" in the trailer :P


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  • 08.27.2011 4:01 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!

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That looks ugly.

  • 08.27.2011 4:15 PM PDT

"Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."--23:5

No matter what happens, I think the new Warthog looks pretty sick.

  • 08.27.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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Yay!
Warthogs in H4!

I so didn't see that one coming.... although I do look forward to driving a hog in Forza 4.

  • 08.27.2011 4:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ulicies756
No matter what happens, I think the new Warthog looks pretty sick.


Yeah, I like this look more. It gives it an aggressive stance.

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Posted by: firedune
oh, I didn't know wht the Everest was. Well, at least It's accepted that Warthogs are universally agreed to be in the game. I do believe that some form of covenant vehicles and weapons are going to be in the game. Things as Iconic as the ghost, banshee, and plasma rifle don't go away easily. I'm sure that at least somethin similar wil exist in the game. Keep in mind that one something finds a niche, it's very hard to take out, like the splaser. I do expect there to be new weapons and vehicles, and some changes to gameplay. I'd like some change to the formula, but not so much that it is a drasuc change. Halo 2-3 is a good example.
On the subject of change, does anyone remember the Halo 3 shield door fiasco? It seems silly now, but that'll always how it will be like.


There is no confirmation for UNSC/Covenant being at Halo 4. Also there is contrary evidence shows that UNSC or Covenant won't be at Halo 4 because of one thing: Master Chief is still missing by 2610s.

Not quite, they can make new weapons like Forerunner theme, Ancient Human weapons,etc...

But it can be set in 2600s where UNSC somehow gets in Halo 4 and gives out new weapon technology to use or whatever. But it won't happen if it's set like in 2560s. Give UNSC a chance to recover from the war.

  • 08.27.2011 10:33 PM PDT

I wake up to find myself
After all these years
And where all the time has gone
Still seems so unclear

I'd also like to take this time to point out that if the UNSC does find the Chief in the games (prior to 2610) it won't even matter, because the games trump everything else canon wise.

So again, this whole argument is irrelevant if 343i chooses to change it to benefit the games' story.

[Edited on 08.27.2011 10:38 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 10:38 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

But then it shows how much LACK of care they have towards the canon. They released the Encyclopedia, fixed it, and released it again. Now they are going to say it's meaningless and essentially a waste of money after they have my money?

  • 08.27.2011 10:40 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
But then it shows how much LACK of care they have towards the canon. They released the Encyclopedia, fixed it, and released it again. Now they are going to say it's meaningless and essentially a waste of money after they have my money?


I want to say no, but yes. Deal with it, it's how the canon hierarchy and game development works.
Either that, or 343 will retcon your precious encyclopedia. Considering the fact that the book used evidence from the Believe ad heavily implies that the information that was made up, itself is unreliable and subject to change, even if the book was reedited.

[Edited on 08.27.2011 11:49 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 11:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
But then it shows how much LACK of care they have towards the canon. They released the Encyclopedia, fixed it, and released it again. Now they are going to say it's meaningless and essentially a waste of money after they have my money?


Yes. Deal with it, it's how canon and game development works.


I find it funny you tell me to "deal with it" when you can't deal with how Reach "ruined canon".

  • 08.27.2011 11:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
But then it shows how much LACK of care they have towards the canon. They released the Encyclopedia, fixed it, and released it again. Now they are going to say it's meaningless and essentially a waste of money after they have my money?


Yes. Deal with it, it's how canon and game development works.


I find it funny you tell me to "deal with it" when you can't deal with how Reach "ruined canon".


Whenever I said that, I was more or less exaggerating. Or it was a force of habit. I retcon everything that Reach violated in my mind.

  • 08.27.2011 11:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
But then it shows how much LACK of care they have towards the canon. They released the Encyclopedia, fixed it, and released it again. Now they are going to say it's meaningless and essentially a waste of money after they have my money?


Yes. Deal with it, it's how canon and game development works.


I find it funny you tell me to "deal with it" when you can't deal with how Reach "ruined canon".


Whenever I said that, I was more or less exaggerating. Or it was a force of habit. I retcon everything that Reach violated in my mind.

Just because you have no backbone doesn't mean I don't. If 343 can't support their own canon, then it's obvious they care little for it.

  • 08.27.2011 11:53 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?
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This just means there'll be a Warthog run at the end.

  • 08.27.2011 11:59 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
But then it shows how much LACK of care they have towards the canon. They released the Encyclopedia, fixed it, and released it again. Now they are going to say it's meaningless and essentially a waste of money after they have my money?


Yes. Deal with it, it's how canon and game development works.


I find it funny you tell me to "deal with it" when you can't deal with how Reach "ruined canon".


Whenever I said that, I was more or less exaggerating. Or it was a force of habit. I retcon everything that Reach violated in my mind.

Just because you have no backbone doesn't mean I don't. If 343 can't support their own canon, then it's obvious they care little for it.


You're literally crying over such insignificant little details that come from an obscure, weak and stupid little book that barely qualifies as a reliable source because of the violations it made before it was edited. Those violations made it quite evident that the writer(s) didn't completely know what he/they was/were doing, thus making the dates he made up frail and unreliable.

[Edited on 08.28.2011 12:10 AM PDT]

  • 08.28.2011 12:09 AM PDT