Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!
  • Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!
Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!


Posted by: Fin5434p

We can be fairly certain you will start the game on that Forerunner Artifact, (where we go from there....) but even that might be wrong, it could be a portal-device for example.


True, this is pretty much all we know. I'm interested to see where 343 takes this.

  • 08.31.2011 10:13 AM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?

It doesn't really confirm the UNSC. could be a Warthog from the Forward Unto Dawn's hangar. If you watch the Forza Warthog Autovista video, Cortana recalls an event where 4 warthogs survive a terrible crash of a frigate.

  • 08.31.2011 10:19 AM PDT

Yoda

yea the 4 hogs where not from the Dawn's hanger. if you listen to the story Cortana tells via Forza 4 warthog video.

  • 08.31.2011 10:27 AM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

It could just be one aboard with Chief already.

  • 08.31.2011 10:32 AM PDT

~Thomsn0w

It's weird. Halo 4 is set after 2556 so how did they get a 2554 Warthog? Also, how would Cortana even know about it?

Wait? The Cole Protocol is still in action? The (remnants of) the Covenant kind of know where Earth is anyway...

[Edited on 08.31.2011 10:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 10:47 AM PDT
  • gamertag: Fin
  • user homepage:

"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.


Posted by: Thomsn0w

Wait? The Cole Protocol is still in action? The (remnants of) the Covenant kind of know where Earth is anyway...


It wasn't just to protect Earth, but all "Human population centres", which presumably includes the colonies the Covenant missed.

  • 08.31.2011 1:01 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?


Posted by: lil SoulReaper
yea the 4 hogs where not from the Dawn's hanger. if you listen to the story Cortana tells via Forza 4 warthog video.


Um, he didn't say that.

He said "In the video, They talk about warthogs surviving a frigate crashing from orbit to a planet surface, and being used for survival."

What do we know of Halo 4? Frigate, crashes from orbit to planet surface, has warthogs in hanger bay.

And the warthog they show to me screams "Long range without support survival modifications."

  • 08.31.2011 1:29 PM PDT
Subject: Warthog confirmed in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4? EDIT!


Posted by: Thomsn0w
It's weird. Halo 4 is set after 2556 so how did they get a 2554 Warthog? Also, how would Cortana even know about it?


The 2554 Warthog shipped in 2552, so it is probably in the FuD's hanger bay.

If your referring to Cortana's commentary on the Forza 4 video, that is just an extra bonus for fans. It has no canonical value.

  • 08.31.2011 1:59 PM PDT

2554 prototype? Or a undetected headhunter team like from legends prototype survival hog

  • 08.31.2011 2:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Xx Anaki xX

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

And how did you come to that conclusion?
Besides, with the UNSC's obvious involvement in the game, Chief won't need to hang around the Dawn to resupply. There's a new war that going to take place so Chief can't afford to do something like that.
A UNSC Base is completely different as there are multiple soldiers and most likely air transport. I'm not saying I'd rather stay at a UNSC base, but still.


To which conclusion are you referring?

I'm still not convinced that the UNSC will have a direct presence in Halo 4, but I agree, I don't think that Chief would hang around the Dawn. More like take what he needs and go.

And let's say the UNSC is in Halo 4(strictly hypothetical). Even if they had a base I don't think Chief would hang around it. He's never been the kind of guy to do that in the past, I don't know why he'd do that now. He might visit it, but he wouldn't stay.


He stayed at Alpha Base for the first half of CE. Unless saving the galaxy requires him to move out and explore the far corners of wherever he's going to end up (Halo 2), or if the base gets destroyed (Halo 3), then he's going to stay there. But the reasons I listed are more than likely, making it quite believable that the whole game won't be at a UNSC base.

  • 08.31.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: lil SoulReaper
yea the 4 hogs where not from the Dawn's hanger. if you listen to the story Cortana tells via Forza 4 warthog video.


Um, he didn't say that.

He said "In the video, They talk about warthogs surviving a frigate crashing from orbit to a planet surface, and being used for survival."

What do we know of Halo 4? Frigate, crashes from orbit to planet surface, has warthogs in hanger bay.

And the warthog they show to me screams "Long range without support survival modifications."


That's a good inference.
But all of the reasons I've made seem to contradict the notion that we'll be using the Dawn as a base in the sense of gameplay, story development, and even common sense in this type of situation.

Also, I'd like to point out (and vaguely reiterate) that if we do end up hanging around the Dawn for supplies, what will the weapons be? You can't recycle Halo 3 weapons (though if it let you use the Halo 3 weapons at the start of the game as a little nod to consistency, that would be ultimately cool). But you can't create new weapons either because that will only spark confusion among the public, and endless debates on forums due to the inconsistency issues (this has already started somewhat with the appearance of the Grenade-Pistol showing up inexplicably in the Dawn. But that was a Teaser; I highly doubt we'll be using that weapon on the first mission anyway).

[Edited on 08.31.2011 2:47 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 2:43 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

He stayed at Alpha Base for the first half of CE. Unless saving the galaxy requires him to move out and explore the far corners of wherever he's going to end up (Halo 2), or if the base gets destroyed (Halo 3), then he's going to stay there. But the reasons I listed are more than likely, making it quite believable that the whole game won't be at a UNSC base.


Okay, I think I finally see where you're coming from. In Halo CE, 2 and 3 there was a UNSC base from where Chief was getting his orders. Therefore you're arguing that there will be a UNSC base in Halo 4 from which Chief will be getting new orders (correct me if I'm wrong)?

I was saying no base because game play wise Halo has never been a "main base kinda game (excluding Halo Wars).

The thing is, while Master Chief was the star of Halos CE, 2, and 3, it was not his story. It was about the Covenant-Human war. You were just experiencing it through Chief's visor.

Halo 4 is the beginning of the Reclaimer trilogy, this is Chief's story. There is no necessary need for UNSC presence. Directly anyway.

  • 08.31.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Xx Anaki xX

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

He stayed at Alpha Base for the first half of CE. Unless saving the galaxy requires him to move out and explore the far corners of wherever he's going to end up (Halo 2), or if the base gets destroyed (Halo 3), then he's going to stay there. But the reasons I listed are more than likely, making it quite believable that the whole game won't be at a UNSC base.


Okay, I think I finally see where you're coming from. In Halo CE, 2 and 3 there was a UNSC base from where Chief was getting his orders. Therefore you're arguing that there will be a UNSC base in Halo 4 from which Chief will be getting new orders (correct me if I'm wrong)?


Oh, that's not what I mean. I'm just talking about how staying at the Dawn is improbable due to the reasons contradicting it. I only mentioned a UNSC base for the sake of theorizing where he might get his weapons from. (The the game might not involve a base for supplies, but a ship! Like all of the games in the trilogy).

I was saying no base because game play wise Halo has never been a "main base kinda game (excluding Halo Wars).

The thing is, while Master Chief was the star of Halos CE, 2, and 3, it was not his story. It was about the Covenant-Human war. You were just experiencing it through Chief's visor.


Actually, Chief played the main role and was the star in, at least, Halo CE & 3. Were it not for his completely direct actions, humanity wouldn't have survived. Not to mention that he's saved the universe from the Flood twice. Speaking in terms of the two games I just listed, he destroyed Halo, eradicating the Flood infestation, breached the Cartographer and found Truth. He disabled the Ark's activation (while helping to secure Truth), and fired Installation 04.2, destroying all life in the galaxy, and subsequently starved the Flood.
While he did have some help along the way, the games were his story (most prominently in Halo 3 somewhat with Cortana absent to aid him). And this trilogy will only flush his character out more, while remaining to be true to the series that has been established.

  • 08.31.2011 3:08 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Oh, that's not what I mean. I'm just talking about how staying at the Dawn is improbable due to the reasons contradicting it. I only mentioned a UNSC base for the sake of theorizing where he might get his weapons from. (The the game might not involve a base for supplies, but a ship! Like all of the games in the trilogy).


Oh, I got you. I agree, staying at the Dawn is improbable, it's a wreck. I suppose a UNSC base is a possible theory for where he gets his weapons; however, as people have stated before, a UNSC base (or ship) on (or in) the LP does not make much sense. More than likely he'll get human weapons from the Dawn's wreckage.

Actually, Chief played the main role and was the star in, at least, Halo CE & 3. Were it not for his completely direct actions, humanity wouldn't have survived. Not to mention that he's saved the universe from the Flood twice. Speaking in terms of the two games I just listed, he destroyed Halo, eradicating the Flood infestation, breached the Cartographer and found Truth. He disabled the Ark's activation (while helping to secure Truth), and fired Installation 04.2, destroying all life in the galaxy, and subsequently starved the Flood.
While he did have some help along the way, the games were his story (most prominently in Halo 3 somewhat with Cortana absent to aid him). And this trilogy will only flush his character out more, while remaining to be true to the series that has been established.


Right on all accounts, I should have worded that better. The Halo trilogy is Chief's story, but only in that he assists and subsequently saves the UNSC from the Covenant. The focus of the story was still Humanity's struggle against the Covenant onslaught.

And you're right also with the Reclaimer trilogy flushing out Chief's character; however, I still believe it can remain true to the series without including the UNSC.

Master Chief and the UNSC don't always go hand in hand. You can still have a solid Halo game with only one.

  • 08.31.2011 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Xx Anaki xX

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Oh, that's not what I mean. I'm just talking about how staying at the Dawn is improbable due to the reasons contradicting it. I only mentioned a UNSC base for the sake of theorizing where he might get his weapons from. (The the game might not involve a base for supplies, but a ship! Like all of the games in the trilogy).


Oh, I got you. I agree, staying at the Dawn is improbable, it's a wreck. I suppose a UNSC base is a possible theory for where he gets his weapons; however, as people have stated before, a UNSC base (or ship) on (or in) the LP does not make much sense. More than likely he'll get human weapons from the Dawn's wreckage.

Actually, Chief played the main role and was the star in, at least, Halo CE & 3. Were it not for his completely direct actions, humanity wouldn't have survived. Not to mention that he's saved the universe from the Flood twice. Speaking in terms of the two games I just listed, he destroyed Halo, eradicating the Flood infestation, breached the Cartographer and found Truth. He disabled the Ark's activation (while helping to secure Truth), and fired Installation 04.2, destroying all life in the galaxy, and subsequently starved the Flood.
While he did have some help along the way, the games were his story (most prominently in Halo 3 somewhat with Cortana absent to aid him). And this trilogy will only flush his character out more, while remaining to be true to the series that has been established.


Right on all accounts, I should have worded that better. The Halo trilogy is Chief's story, but only in that he assists and subsequently saves the UNSC from the Covenant. The focus of the story was still Humanity's struggle against the Covenant onslaught.

And you're right also with the Reclaimer trilogy flushing out Chief's character; however, I still believe it can remain true to the series without including the UNSC.

Master Chief and the UNSC don't always go hand in hand. You can still have a solid Halo game with only one.


Well the reason I'm outspoken about the issue is due to being consistent with the rest of the franchise.
But there is solid evidence that the UNSC will be in. Three piece that I'll use that go hand-in-hand.
Firstly, the video interview with Frankie with how says that the Warthog is the Halo 4 model. Secondly, a big piece of concept art featured at HaloFest that portrayed a big bulky ship with the words "UNSC" written on the hull. Possibly as well, the ships we see in the Halo 4 concept art trailer look vaguely UNSC (less so with the ships that bare a resemblance to the Pelican).

Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).

[Edited on 08.31.2011 4:19 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 4:18 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


You have a point, but an entire level and portrayal of New Mombasa was scrapped from Halo 2 despite being shown at E3.

  • 08.31.2011 4:23 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Member of Bungie.net for nearly three years, still continuing!

Enjoy what you have and live on.

My gamertag is Elder Bias


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Well the reason I'm outspoken about the issue is due to being consistent with the rest of the franchise.
But there is solid evidence that the UNSC will be in. Three piece that I'll use that go hand-in-hand.
Firstly, the video interview with Frankie with how says that the Warthog is the Halo 4 model. Secondly, a big piece of concept art featured at HaloFest that portrayed a big bulky ship with the words "UNSC" written on the hull. Possibly as well, the ships we see in the Halo 4 concept art trailer look vaguely UNSC (less so with the ships that bare a resemblance to the Pelican).

Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


There is no evidence asserts that UNSC is at Halo 4. Do you realize that concept arts can be cut from the game, right? Just like Halo 2's various content were cut from the game.

And, where do you see "UNSC" on the ship? I don't see anything and I even used special program that allows me to zoom in without sacrificing quality. And common sense dictates that Cortana is likely piloting those pelicans for being valuable assets. And, halo 4 model warthog is simply graphical update and it is from FuD. It does not make there is UNSC.

You're using your own assumptions to support your argument of UNSC being at Halo 4.


[Edited on 08.31.2011 4:27 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 4:25 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Well the reason I'm outspoken about the issue is due to being consistent with the rest of the franchise.
But there is solid evidence that the UNSC will be in. Three piece that I'll use that go hand-in-hand.
Firstly, the video interview with Frankie with how says that the Warthog is the Halo 4 model. Secondly, a big piece of concept art featured at HaloFest that portrayed a big bulky ship with the words "UNSC" written on the hull. Possibly as well, the ships we see in the Halo 4 concept art trailer look vaguely UNSC (less so with the ships that bare a resemblance to the Pelican).

Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


There is no evidence asserts that UNSC is at Halo 4. Do you realize that concept arts can be cut from the game, right? Just like Halo 2's various content were cut from the game.

And, where do you see "UNSC" on the ship? I don't see anything and I even used special program that allows me to zoom in without sacrificing quality. And common sense dictates that Cortana is likely piloting those pelicans for being valuable assets. And, halo 4 model warthog is simply graphical update and it is from FuD. It does not make there is UNSC.

You're using your own assumptions to support your argument of UNSC being at Halo 4.


But when we use canonical and situational evidence, we're monsters. LOL.

  • 08.31.2011 4:30 PM PDT

Take what you can, give nothing back

--Fyrestarter


Posted by: Hydrilus
So you can't even drive it around in Forza? What's the point of it being there then? Kind of lame...


Well, a Warthog only hits like 77MPH I think.....it couldn't even keep up with the Class D cars. Its specifically for the AutoVista mode, meaning we can turn it on, get under the hood and whatnot which, IMO is fun.

[Edited on 08.31.2011 4:36 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 4:34 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


You have a point, but an entire level and portrayal of New Mombasa was scrapped from Halo 2 despite being shown at E3.


Excellent point. Just like many of the first glimpses of Halo CE were never in the full game.

  • 08.31.2011 4:38 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


You have a point, but an entire level and portrayal of New Mombasa was scrapped from Halo 2 despite being shown at E3.


A nice point, Cobra, but not entirely correct. That level was not directly cut, merely altered from what the reveal was. The concept remained there and was not altered from its barebones. And generally, to my understanding of the idea behind revealing concept art, it's not shown if it's not something that could potentially be cut. What I'm saying that if it's shown, then it is pretty definite that it will appear, not necessarily how the concept revealed is though.

  • 08.31.2011 5:21 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


You have a point, but an entire level and portrayal of New Mombasa was scrapped from Halo 2 despite being shown at E3.


A nice point, Cobra, but not entirely correct. That level was not directly cut, merely altered from what the reveal was. The concept remained there and was not altered from its barebones. And generally, to my understanding of the idea behind revealing concept art, it's not shown if it's not something that could potentially be cut. What I'm saying that if it's shown, then it is pretty definite that it will appear, not necessarily how the concept revealed is though.


Well, all I know is that New Mombasa no longer looks like the way it did in the Halo 2 E3 demo. Sure the concept was the same, but the difference is that 343 said don't get comfortable with the Halo 4 concept art, so I'm weary to accept it all right now.

  • 08.31.2011 5:23 PM PDT

I was wondering when you gangsters were going to waltz back in to mercilessly attack me.

[Edited on 08.31.2011 5:59 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 5:59 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Using these three sources, the natural conclusion is that the UNSC do play a role in the game. Concept art like that doesn't just get rejected, especially if it was shown at a festival and in a trailer (assuming the ships in the trailer are UNSC).


You have a point, but an entire level and portrayal of New Mombasa was scrapped from Halo 2 despite being shown at E3.


A nice point, Cobra, but not entirely correct. That level was not directly cut, merely altered from what the reveal was. The concept remained there and was not altered from its barebones. And generally, to my understanding of the idea behind revealing concept art, it's not shown if it's not something that could potentially be cut. What I'm saying that if it's shown, then it is pretty definite that it will appear, not necessarily how the concept revealed is though.


Well, all I know is that New Mombasa no longer looks like the way it did in the Halo 2 E3 demo. Sure the concept was the same, but the difference is that 343 said don't get comfortable with the Halo 4 concept art, so I'm weary to accept it all right now.


When did they say that? Can I have a link?

  • 08.31.2011 6:00 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

You're not a victim Ruby, quit acting like one.

Video description says don't get attached.

[Edited on 08.31.2011 6:01 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 6:00 PM PDT