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Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?

And as I said, does the new warthog not look like it's been set up for long-range travel?

Maybe not in the turret area, but with the added crash bars(I think that's what they are called?) extra tanks of fuel, rotatable light on the windshield...

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Posted by: thebobafettest

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Halo4Follower just posted a video showing a possible Halo 4 cutscene leak. Go check it out on his channel on YouTube. This is solid confirmation that the UNSC is in Halo 4 if this is Halo 4.
I won't post a link because it's against the rules.


Obvious idiot is obvious. Do you realize that that is not official confirmation from 343i itself? And they didn't release any details until Sunday at Halo 4 panel.

Also genius, do you realize that Halo 4 (artistic license) Warthog is for Forza 4, right? Funny, you think it'll be UNSC at Halo 4 because its "a warthog there!!! OMGZZ!!!" Also I remember you argued that weapons from FuD has to be UNSC despite that FuD does have armory, likely to be in below of engineer section. Which it was fail argument, however.

So nope, there is no confirmation for UNSC or Covennat being at Halo 4.

Correct, all this confirms is that there will be UNSC assets, which we already knew anyway.


Never mind.

So if it is UNSC at Halo 4 then 343i proven to be lazy writers and Halo 4 won't be probably good. :/

[Edited on 08.26.2011 9:22 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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I'm curious how people are coming to the conclusion that this Model 2554 Warthog is an asset from the Dawn. It's the 2554 model after all. Now there is the compelling argument that model numbers work as they do in real life in that the model number is that of the year after the car is actually released. Yet that would mean that this model of Warthog was produced in 2553. The Dawn left Earth for the Ark in 2552...

Am I trying to say that this proves there's an active UNSC presence in Halo 4? Hardly, but what I am trying to get at is gaining an understanding of how strong this theory is that this Hog is an asset of the Dawn.

  • 08.26.2011 9:28 PM PDT

Course, my question (watching a video of the halo 4 panel)

How can the planet be an unknown mystery if the UNSC (as a faction, not like Spirit of Fire or something), knows about it and has people there?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Course, my question (watching a video of the halo 4 panel)

How can the planet be an unknown mystery if the UNSC (as a faction, not like Spirit of Fire or something), knows about it and has people there?


I don't think Spirit of Fire will be there 'cause at end of halo wars (Legendary ending) shown that Spirit of Fire passed the mar-like planet or jupiter-like planet. At Halo 3's legendary ending and Halo 4 trailer showed only a planet that is clearly Forerunner, not other planets nearby.



[Edited on 08.26.2011 9:40 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 9:38 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Course, my question (watching a video of the halo 4 panel)

How can the planet be an unknown mystery if the UNSC (as a faction, not like Spirit of Fire or something), knows about it and has people there?


I don't think Spirit of Fire will be there 'cause at end of halo wars (Legendary ending) shown that Spirit of Fire passed the mar-like planet or jupiter-like planet. At Halo 3's legendary ending and Halo 4 trailer showed only a planet that is clearly Forerunner, not other planets nearby.



Ahum, but how do we know that's simply not a nearby system?

Also, the legendary ending was simply the AI going "Something happened". The planets were shown as the credits started.

  • 08.26.2011 9:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Course, my question (watching a video of the halo 4 panel)

How can the planet be an unknown mystery if the UNSC (as a faction, not like Spirit of Fire or something), knows about it and has people there?


Unless of course it's an unknown mystery to the audience and not (some of) the denizens of the universe itself.

It's pretty much a massive presumption on all our parts that the Legendary planet in of itself is a mystery not only to the player, but to every single entity within the universe. Not to mention other traits at this point such as location, purpose, etc, etc.

To say with certainty that we can slap on these presumptions and continue on as if they're facts may end up surprising us at the rate this is going...

  • 08.26.2011 9:46 PM PDT

I didn't say unknown to everybody. But do you think the mystery would last long if a UNSC team that's been there a few months(example) met chief and briefed him on the location?

  • 08.26.2011 9:47 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: thebobafettest

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Halo4Follower just posted a video showing a possible Halo 4 cutscene leak. Go check it out on his channel on YouTube. This is solid confirmation that the UNSC is in Halo 4 if this is Halo 4.
I won't post a link because it's against the rules.


Obvious idiot is obvious. Do you realize that that is not official confirmation from 343i itself? And they didn't release any details until Sunday at Halo 4 panel.

Also genius, do you realize that Halo 4 (artistic license) Warthog is for Forza 4, right? Funny, you think it'll be UNSC at Halo 4 because its "a warthog there!!! OMGZZ!!!" Also I remember you argued that weapons from FuD has to be UNSC despite that FuD does have armory, likely to be in below of engineer section. Which it was fail argument, however.

So nope, there is no confirmation for UNSC or Covennat being at Halo 4.

Correct, all this confirms is that there will be UNSC assets, which we already knew anyway.


Never mind.

So if it is UNSC at Halo 4 then 343i proven to be lazy writers and Halo 4 won't be probably good. :/


How the hell did you come to that stubborn conclusion you wretch?
I don't know if you're saying never mind to the UNSC's appearance or not, so I'll just go right ahead.
You're such an ignoramus. Everything says that the Warthog is made by 343 and is the Halo 4 model, it even says it in the HaloFest selection of videos in the video description. We obviously won't be camping at the Dawn for the ENTIRE game. That just doesn't make for a good game AT ALL. How is Master Chief supposed to save the galaxy if he's always taking a coffee break back at the Dawn? He can't. This only leads to the logical conclusion that we will link up with UNSC forces.

And if the WARTHOG example isn't enough for you, put this one up for adoption: On a Halo 4 board at HaloFest, there were big pictures of concept art. One of them was of a long starship, and you could very easily make out the four letters, "UNSC" on the starship's hull. So please explain to me why they would put concept art showing a UNSC ship on display at an important event if it didn't mean the UNSC were going to be in?

And like always, you're going to flip and clip my words and come up with your own largely misguided response based on your retarded beliefs. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

[Edited on 08.26.2011 9:53 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 9:51 PM PDT

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Personally, I don't mind if the UNSC is in the game as long as it isn't a trite explanation or reason.

  • 08.26.2011 9:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I didn't say unknown to everybody. But do you think the mystery would last long if a UNSC team that's been there a few months(example) met chief and briefed him on the location?


What for? At this point from what's been established in canon it's hardly a surprise for the UNSC, particularly ONI, to compartmentalize information and keep it on a need to know basis.

Look at Onyx for example. The various Forerunner dig sites on Reach. Etc, etc.

The Chief and the rest of the frontline Spartans are nothing more than grunts essentially despite their elevated reputations for being grand war heroes. The briefings they get would only be restricted to whatever is needed for whatever mission they're assigned to. They aren't exactly going to be privy to random UNSC secrets out of the blue. The same would go to any other UNSC personnel that may be involved in secret projects of any sort, but not one involving the Legendary planet if it was already discovered by the UNSC if at all. Boils down to a need to know basis.

  • 08.26.2011 9:56 PM PDT

So, instead of using the Forward Unto Dawn as a base camp, it's perfectly alright to link up with a UNSC base and stay there?

I fail to see the difference.

edit: Of course, trapped on an unknown, forerunner planet, the first thing they'll do is keep secrets from the best soldier around.

[Edited on 08.26.2011 10:01 PM PDT]

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


How the hell did you come to that stubborn conclusion you wretch?
I don't know if you're saying never mind to the UNSC's appearance or not, so I'll just go right ahead.
You're such an ignoramus. Everything says that the Warthog is made by 343 and is the Halo 4 model, it even says it in the HaloFest selection of videos in the video description. We obviously won't be camping at the Dawn for the ENTIRE game. That just doesn't make for a good game AT ALL. How is Master Chief supposed to save the galaxy if he's always taking a coffee break back at the Dawn? He can't. This only leads to the logical conclusion that we will link up with UNSC forces.

And if the WARTHOG example isn't enough for you, put this one up for adoption: On a Halo 4 board at HaloFest, there were big pictures of concept art. One of them was of a long starship, and you could very easily make out the four letters, "UNSC" on the starship's hull. So please explain to me why they would put concept art showing a UNSC ship on display at an important event if it didn't mean the UNSC were going to be in?

And like always, you're going to flip and clip my words and come up with your own largely misguided response based on your retarded beliefs. Go ahead, I'm waiting.


That was before I saw concept art of it, derp.

Now as seeing that UNSC is at LP then it means that Halo 4 won't be good as I thought. Seems Cobra is right on this matter. Now I'm being skeptical of purchasing Halo 4.

If 343i wants to redeem their-selves as true heir to Halo franchise, they would have to make a original storyline (such as Forerunner-themed storyline for John) instead using rehashed storyline like UNSC still fighting remnants of Covies or whatever.

It shows that 343i may be lazy writers and very unoriginal. Only good thing they done is Halo CEA plus TU for Reach and new books, that's all. I think 343i lost my full trust on this matter.

  • 08.26.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
So, instead of using the Forward Unto Dawn as a base camp, it's perfectly alright to link up with a UNSC base and stay there?

I fail to see the difference.


Such a biased statement right there. You're not taking in all of the possibilities regarding the UNSC. Who says we're going to stay at a UNSC base? Why can't it be like Halo 2 or 3? Traveling all over the place? It just shows how unwilling you are to take in what's logical.

  • 08.26.2011 10:04 PM PDT

raganok99, You share my views, and some of my friends.

The post halo 3 era stuff is looking grim. Not because of a literally grim setting, but because what little information there is sounds bad.

  • 08.26.2011 10:05 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


How the hell did you come to that stubborn conclusion you wretch?
I don't know if you're saying never mind to the UNSC's appearance or not, so I'll just go right ahead.
You're such an ignoramus. Everything says that the Warthog is made by 343 and is the Halo 4 model, it even says it in the HaloFest selection of videos in the video description. We obviously won't be camping at the Dawn for the ENTIRE game. That just doesn't make for a good game AT ALL. How is Master Chief supposed to save the galaxy if he's always taking a coffee break back at the Dawn? He can't. This only leads to the logical conclusion that we will link up with UNSC forces.

And if the WARTHOG example isn't enough for you, put this one up for adoption: On a Halo 4 board at HaloFest, there were big pictures of concept art. One of them was of a long starship, and you could very easily make out the four letters, "UNSC" on the starship's hull. So please explain to me why they would put concept art showing a UNSC ship on display at an important event if it didn't mean the UNSC were going to be in?

And like always, you're going to flip and clip my words and come up with your own largely misguided response based on your retarded beliefs. Go ahead, I'm waiting.


That was before I saw concept art of it, derp.

Now as seeing that UNSC is at LP then it means that Halo 4 won't be good as I thought. Seems Cobra is right on this matter. Now I'm being skeptical of purchasing Halo 4.

If 343i wants to redeem their-selves as true heir to Halo franchise, they would have to make a original storyline (such as Forerunner-themed storyline for John) instead using rehashed storyline like UNSC still fighting remnants of Covies or whatever.

It shows that 343i may be lazy writers and very unoriginal. Only good thing they done is Halo CEA plus TU for Reach and new books, that's all. I think 343i lost my full trust on this matter.


Everybody take a second to take this in... stupidity at its greatest limit.
So you just said that because there is a UNSC force in Halo 4, the storyline is automatically a rehash, and the game is not worth buying. I honestly expected more from you.

This is for you.

[Edited on 08.26.2011 10:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 10:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron


edit: Of course, trapped on an unknown, forerunner planet, the first thing they'll do is keep secrets from the best soldier around.


What exactly are you referring to here?

  • 08.26.2011 10:06 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
So, instead of using the Forward Unto Dawn as a base camp, it's perfectly alright to link up with a UNSC base and stay there?

I fail to see the difference.


Such a biased statement right there. You're not taking in all of the possibilities regarding the UNSC. Who says we're going to stay at a UNSC base? Why can't it be like Halo 2 or 3? Traveling all over the place? It just shows how unwilling you are to take in what's logical.


Let's look at Halo CE eh?

Went to many different places, but in between most of the missions he was *GASP* At the UNSC base.

Lemme ask this, if he's traveling all the time, how does he restock? How does he rest?

  • 08.26.2011 10:07 PM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron


edit: Of course, trapped on an unknown, forerunner planet, the first thing they'll do is keep secrets from the best soldier around.


What exactly are you referring to here?


You make it sound like they'd purposefully keep all major information from Master Chief because "he's a frontline grunt."

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Everybody take a second to take this in... stupidity at its greatest limit.


Oh?

Please explain how my opinion is stupid. Remember, it's only my opinion.

Oh yes. Inb4Cobra. Know why? He will start to complain as once he sees concept art of Halo 4.

  • 08.26.2011 10:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
So, instead of using the Forward Unto Dawn as a base camp, it's perfectly alright to link up with a UNSC base and stay there?

I fail to see the difference.


Such a biased statement right there. You're not taking in all of the possibilities regarding the UNSC. Who says we're going to stay at a UNSC base? Why can't it be like Halo 2 or 3? Traveling all over the place? It just shows how unwilling you are to take in what's logical.


Let's look at Halo CE eh?

Went to many different places, but in between most of the missions he was *GASP* At the UNSC base.

Lemme ask this, if he's traveling all the time, how does he restock? How does he rest?



The difference between Alpha Base and camping at the Dawn is simple.
Since it's been said that an evil is threatening the fate of the entire universe, Chief can't afford to stay at the ship sippin' cup'a tea.
In Halo CE, it was on a much smaller scale,not to mention the fact that he had plenty of friendly forces and quick aerial transport.

The last statement is flawed. That's basically taking into question how he made it in Halo 2 and 3.

[Edited on 08.26.2011 10:18 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 10:14 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Everybody take a second to take this in... stupidity at its greatest limit.


Please explain how my opinion is stupid. Remember, it's only my opinion.


How is it not? Opinions can be flawed, don't deny that. And in this case, the fact that your mind is sealed up tight makes it that way.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Everybody take a second to take this in... stupidity at its greatest limit.


Please explain how my opinion is stupid. Remember, it's only my opinion.


How is it not? Opinions can be flawed, don't deny that. And in this case, the fact that your mind is sealed up tight makes it that way.



Hey man, that's your opinion. See what I did there? Yeah, it doesn't make a fact that my mind is closed minded. It is not. I have been with Halo for while and I can see that Halo 4 will fail, in story wise since its basically confirmation that UNSC will be there.

  • 08.26.2011 10:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron


edit: Of course, trapped on an unknown, forerunner planet, the first thing they'll do is keep secrets from the best soldier around.


What exactly are you referring to here?


You make it sound like they'd purposefully keep all major information from Master Chief because "he's a frontline grunt."


It's not even a case of purposefully or "all major information". It's a question of relevance.

What would the Chief, or any Spartan or soldier for that matter, do with information about every secret base, project, and personnel that doesn't have to with their mission?

Clearly the Chief has been given briefings on top secret missions before such as the intel on Harvest when it was first attacked, but again its based on relevance.

Compare that to someone like Cortana on the other end who, despite being assigned on a vital critical mission to humanity (Red Flag), still gets restricted from accessing any UNSC secrets from the get go whenever she snoops around.

The Chief doesn't ask questions about random things not pertaining to his assignment, so why would anyone in the UNSC just suddenly and randomly spill every single secret out of the blue? Did at any point any UNSC personnel involved with the SIIIs suddenly go "oh hey Chief (or any SII), you're my hero. You know your fellow Spartan Kurt? Great instructor, he's heading up a camp of new Spartans didn't you know?"?

So ask yourself this. Why would the Chief be briefed on something like the Legendary Planet (assuming of course that anyone in the UNSC that he's encountered before hand knew about it, and of course the big if that anyone in the UNSC has found it) before being lost in space?

  • 08.26.2011 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Everybody take a second to take this in... stupidity at its greatest limit.


Please explain how my opinion is stupid. Remember, it's only my opinion.


How is it not? Opinions can be flawed, don't deny that. And in this case, the fact that your mind is sealed up tight makes it that way.



Hey man, that's your opinion.


No it's not. It's fact. Don't you go marching around spouting that word. The word opinion, in your case, is only another way to say that you're unable to explain your reasons without coming off as a stubborn mule.

Yeah, it doesn't make a fact that my mind is closed minded. It is not.

You're calling an unreleased video game a failure because of one of the main factions reappearing, apparently making the game a rehash. Example?

I have been with Halo for while and I can see that Halo 4 will fail, in story wise since its basically confirmation that UNSC will be there.

Yep.

  • 08.26.2011 10:25 PM PDT