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Subject: Warthog confirmed to be in Halo 4: Obvious confirmation of UNSC in H4?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
So, instead of using the Forward Unto Dawn as a base camp, it's perfectly alright to link up with a UNSC base and stay there?

I fail to see the difference.


Such a biased statement right there. You're not taking in all of the possibilities regarding the UNSC. Who says we're going to stay at a UNSC base? Why can't it be like Halo 2 or 3? Traveling all over the place? It just shows how unwilling you are to take in what's logical.


Let's look at Halo CE eh?

Went to many different places, but in between most of the missions he was *GASP* At the UNSC base.

Lemme ask this, if he's traveling all the time, how does he restock? How does he rest?



The difference between Alpha Base and camping at the Dawn is simple.
Since it's been said that an evil is threatening the fate of the entire universe, Chief can't afford to stay at the ship sippin' cup'a tea.
In Halo CE, it was on a much smaller scale,not to mention the fact that he had plenty of friendly forces and quick aerial transport.

The last statement is flawed. That's basically taking into question how he made it in Halo 2 and 3.


You seem to completely misunderstand what I mean.

Not "Camp at the forward unto dawn sipping tea and doing nothing."

I mean stop by for resupply of ammo and food, and rest some before continueing his mission.

Also, did I say "Chief would be briefed on the planet before?"

NO I was saying, when chief runs into them, It'd be "Chief, this is where you are at, this is the landscape around her, and here are the threats/resources."

Thus ruining mystery.

  • 08.26.2011 10:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
So, instead of using the Forward Unto Dawn as a base camp, it's perfectly alright to link up with a UNSC base and stay there?

I fail to see the difference.


Such a biased statement right there. You're not taking in all of the possibilities regarding the UNSC. Who says we're going to stay at a UNSC base? Why can't it be like Halo 2 or 3? Traveling all over the place? It just shows how unwilling you are to take in what's logical.


Let's look at Halo CE eh?

Went to many different places, but in between most of the missions he was *GASP* At the UNSC base.

Lemme ask this, if he's traveling all the time, how does he restock? How does he rest?



The difference between Alpha Base and camping at the Dawn is simple.
Since it's been said that an evil is threatening the fate of the entire universe, Chief can't afford to stay at the ship sippin' cup'a tea.
In Halo CE, it was on a much smaller scale,not to mention the fact that he had plenty of friendly forces and quick aerial transport.

The last statement is flawed. That's basically taking into question how he made it in Halo 2 and 3.


You seem to completely misunderstand what I mean.

Not "Camp at the forward unto dawn sipping tea and doing nothing."

I mean stop by for resupply of ammo and food, and rest some before continueing his mission.


That's too much of a hassle to have to walk back to the Dawn every time he finishes a mission, especially if the vehicle he supposedly uses to get to the mission gets destroyed. It can be assumed that the scale of the war in Halo 4 will be much too large to have to time to do something like that. It's not happening.
TAKE IN THIS QUESTION: If Chief does what you're saying he does, then we are only going to get to use UNSC weapons at the start of missions, and no other times? What? That's inconsistent game design there.

[Edited on 08.26.2011 10:35 PM PDT]

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Hey man, that's your opinion. [/quote]

No it's not. It's fact. Don't you go marching around spouting that word. The word opinion, in your case, is only another way to say that you're unable to explain your reasons without coming off as a stubborn mule.

Yeah, it doesn't make a fact that my mind is closed minded. It is not.

You're calling an unreleased video game a failure because of one of the main factions reappearing, apparently making the game a rehash. Example?

I have been with Halo for while and I can see that Halo 4 will fail, in story wise since its basically confirmation that UNSC will be there.

Yep.



LOL! You think that opinion = fact? Fail.

And, it wouldn't make sense for UNSC to appear since UNSC it has their problems to assert AND this planet is unknown location to everybody else. I suspect that Remnants Covenant will be there as well because "it" makes sense to be here to fight against UNSC for gameplay purposes. So that would be so unbelievably boring to play in Campaign. We have been fighting against Covenant for straight ten years. Now the war is over, and UNSC are at peace and Covenant is nowhere to be found because its destroyed thanks to Schism. Elites are busy with Brutes. Grunts, Jackals, Hunters and other species never cared to maintain the Covenant after Prophets were wiped or went hiding. So they went home, that's all.

So adding UNSC thus having to add Remnants of Covies would be like bad story writing, just like Bungie did with Reach. I suppose that multiplayer and forge might be good or at least, better than Reach but campaign would be terrible.




[Edited on 08.26.2011 10:40 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 10:37 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Hey man, that's your opinion.


No it's not. It's fact. Don't you go marching around spouting that word. The word opinion, in your case, is only another way to say that you're unable to explain your reasons without coming off as a stubborn mule.

Yeah, it doesn't make a fact that my mind is closed minded. It is not.

You're calling an unreleased video game a failure because of one of the main factions reappearing, apparently making the game a rehash. Example?

I have been with Halo for while and I can see that Halo 4 will fail, in story wise since its basically confirmation that UNSC will be there.

Yep.



LOL! You think that opinion = fact? Fail.

Now tell me where the hell I said that? You can't say anything stupider than this. I'm not about to have a philosophical argument with you.


And, it wouldn't make sense for UNSC to appear since UNSC it has their problems to assert AND this planet is unknown location to everybody else. I suspect that Remnants Covenant will be there as well because "it" makes sense to be here to fight against UNSC for gameplay purposes. So that would be so unbelievably boring to play in Campaign. We have been fighting against Covenant for straight ten years. Now the war is over, and UNSC are at peace and Covenant is nowhere to be found because its destroyed thanks to Schism. Elites are busy with Brutes. Grunts, Jackals, Hunters and other species never cared to maintain the Covenant after Prophets were wiped or went hiding.

So adding UNSC thus having to add Remnants of Covies would be like bad story writing, just like Bungie did with Reach. I suppose that multiplayer and forge would be good but campaign would be terrible.




I stand corrected. Quit your pouting and lighten up.

  • 08.26.2011 10:43 PM PDT

That's too much of a hassle to have to walk back to the Dawn every time he finishes a mission, especially if the vehicle he supposedly uses to get to the mission gets destroyed. It can be assumed that the scale of the war in Halo 4 will be much too large to have to time to do something like that. It's not happening.
TAKE IN THIS QUESTION: If Chief does what you're saying he does, then we are only going to get to use UNSC weapons at the start of missions, and no other times? What? That's inconsistent game design there.


Um, as I take it, there is no war in Halo 4. A conflict, but not a war. Nothing's hinted at it being so massive Chief OCCANSIONALLY going back to the Dawn to rest or get more ammo would be unthinkable.

  • 08.26.2011 10:44 PM PDT

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How is it confirmed?

It's just a forza 4 feature.
I will never drive anything else.

Ever.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

I stand corrected. Quit your pouting and lighten up.


You were corrected? I beg to differ. Like I said, I'm stating my opinion. No wonder Grey hates you for obvious reasons.

BTW, in case. That warthog isn't for Halo 4, its for Forza 4. Therefore it is not canon for Halo.

No it's not. It's fact.

By stating your opinion is fact? I'm confused, especially it was believed that opinion =/= fact.

So saying that I am closed minded is fact? You jest. That's your opinion. You can't just call somebody closed minded as fact.



[Edited on 08.26.2011 10:48 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 10:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
That's too much of a hassle to have to walk back to the Dawn every time he finishes a mission, especially if the vehicle he supposedly uses to get to the mission gets destroyed. It can be assumed that the scale of the war in Halo 4 will be much too large to have to time to do something like that. It's not happening.
TAKE IN THIS QUESTION: If Chief does what you're saying he does, then we are only going to get to use UNSC weapons at the start of missions, and no other times? What? That's inconsistent game design there.


Um, as I take it, there is no war in Halo 4. A conflict, but not a war. Nothing's hinted at it being so massive


Oh no, nothing except for Halo 4's marketing slogan, "An ancient evil threatens the fate of the entire universe".

  • 08.26.2011 10:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
AND this planet is unknown location to everybody else.


Again as I was saying earlier, there are many presumptions we as a community have slapped onto the Legendary planet. It isn't a fact that we know if the Legendary planet is unknown to everyone in the Haloverse. The only thing that we do know is that we (and consequently the Chief and Cortana) do not know what the Legendary planet is, where it is, and what its function is. It's a mystery. There's no fact stated out there by Frankie or anyone else for that matter that says that the Legendary planet is a complete unknown to everyone in the Haloverse and that there isn't a single entity out there whether it be human, prophet, elite, brute, forerunner, flood, whatever that is alive and currently knows about it.

Can it be likely that absolutely no one would know about it? Sure. Is it fact that no one knows about it? At this point in time it isn't. So don't assume it is.

  • 08.26.2011 10:49 PM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

I stand corrected. Quit your pouting and lighten up.


You were corrected? I beg to differ. Like I said, I'm stating my opinion. No wonder Grey hates you for obvious reasons.

No it's not. It's fact.

By stating your opinion is fact? I'm confused, especially it was believed that opinion =/= fact.

So saying that I am closed minded is fact? You jest. That's your opinion. You can't just call somebody closed minded as fact.



If I was going to argue this, I'd have to go into an entire philosophical lesson on you. I refuse to beat a dead horse, which is you.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

I stand corrected. Quit your pouting and lighten up.


You were corrected? I beg to differ. Like I said, I'm stating my opinion. No wonder Grey hates you for obvious reasons.

No it's not. It's fact.

By stating your opinion is fact? I'm confused, especially it was believed that opinion =/= fact.

So saying that I am closed minded is fact? You jest. That's your opinion. You can't just call somebody closed minded as fact.



If I was going to argue this, I'd have to go into an entire philosophical lesson on you. I refuse to beat a dead horse, which is you.


Whatever suits you, buddy.

Like I said, that warthog is for Forza 4. Simple as that. And I already stated my opinions on Halo 4 since sawing a concept art of UNSC ship at Halo 4. I can imagine that Grey and Cobra will be heartily disappointed.

  • 08.26.2011 10:55 PM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

I stand corrected. Quit your pouting and lighten up.


You were corrected? I beg to differ. Like I said, I'm stating my opinion. No wonder Grey hates you for obvious reasons.

No it's not. It's fact.

By stating your opinion is fact? I'm confused, especially it was believed that opinion =/= fact.

So saying that I am closed minded is fact? You jest. That's your opinion. You can't just call somebody closed minded as fact.



If I was going to argue this, I'd have to go into an entire philosophical lesson on you. I refuse to beat a dead horse, which is you.


Whatever suits you, buddy.

Like I said, that warthog is for Forza 4. Simple as that. And I already stated my opinions on Halo 4 since sawing a concept art of UNSC ship at Halo 4. I can imagine that Grey and Cobra will be heartily disappointed.


Why are you denying the fact that EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY says that it's the official Halo 4 Warthog model?

Learn how to differentiate between and opinion and a closed-minded, stubborn, and superficial bias.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Why are you denying the fact that EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY says that it's the official Halo 4 Warthog model?

Learn how to differentiate between and opinion and a closed-minded, stubborn, and superficial bias.


You got me there about warthog. However it still doesn't make that it came from UNSC base, it's likely that it came from FuD itself.

And what? Do you realize that there is always bias everywhere, right? Sure, my opinion may be biased but it's still an opinion. I know Halo 4 might suck at story line because of UNSC appearing at unknown planet or other something else. I think you're being only person that's stubborn to see that my opinion is different from yours.

[Edited on 08.26.2011 11:13 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 11:10 PM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Why are you denying the fact that EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY says that it's the official Halo 4 Warthog model?

Learn how to differentiate between and opinion and a closed-minded, stubborn, and superficial bias.


You got me there about warthog. However it still doesn't make that it came from UNSC base, it's likely that it came from FuD itself.

And what? Do you realize that there is always bias everywhere, right? Sure, my opinion may be biased but it's MY OPINION, DERP.. So going with my opinion, I know Halo 4 might suck at story line. I think you're being only person that's stubborn to see that my opinion is different from yours.


I really cannot find the proper words to describe how idiotic and dare I say, ignorant you are acting right now. You know what your problem is? Every time I prove you wrong, and disprove your stupid logic, you state flawed ideas that are completely irrelevant to what I'm attempting to hammer into that thick skull you have. In other words, instead of responding to my statements, and actually considering them, you stay clutched to your irrational beliefs and arguments because you're too stupid and inconsiderate to listen to my words without brushing them off as foolish incomprehension.

As wild as it may sound, I take into consideration your points of view Want explanations of what I think of them? Then skim through my posts in this thread to see for yourself.
I'm done with you.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

I really cannot find the proper words to describe how idiotic and dare I say, ignorant you are acting right now. You know what your problem is? Every time I prove you wrong, and disprove your stupid logic, you state flawed ideas that are completely irrelevant to what I'm attempting to hammer into that thick skull you have. In other words, instead of responding to my statements, and actually considering them, you stay clutched to your irrational beliefs and arguments because you're too stupid and inconsiderate to listen to my words without brushing them off as foolish incomprehension.


Cry more. You're just being stubborn that I have different views than you do.

And, you only proved me wrong on ONLY TWO THINGS: WARTHOG AND UNSC AT HALO 4. That's all. It is not big deal anyways.

Like I said, I stated my opinion after seeing those concept art of Halo 4. That's all. If you're going to make fuss of it, why bother to reading it since it might hurt your precious mind because you want your beloved rehashed Halo 4?

[Edited on 08.26.2011 11:25 PM PDT]

  • 08.26.2011 11:23 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Let's go over some facts folks. The human race is in shambles post-Halo 3. Cortana's words in Origins indicates that at least 3 years have gone by, she said she was 7 and she was created in 2549.

I would find it hard to believe that despite only a few years passing since the end of a 30+ year war against the Covenant and the previous war against the rebels which left billions dead and the infrastructure of the UNSC in tatters, the UNSC would magically be churning out new ships to just send to random places of the galaxy.

If we encounter Cole, the same problem surfaces. Despite not even knowing if he's even alive, but let's say he is and regrouped with his rebel GF, instead of staying away from the war and secluding themselves on a farming colony, they are traveling along uncharted space for some random reason?

It seems like a lot of suspension of disbelief would be required to make it work.

  • 08.27.2011 12:10 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: anish panchalin
If the UNSC is in Halo 4 I'll laugh at that idiot who posted the thread "the UNSC and covenant will not be in Halo 4"

Why? I know the OP who posted it, he had his reasoning. Does it bug you that much?

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Posted by: anish panchalin
If the UNSC is in Halo 4 I'll laugh at that idiot who posted the thread "the UNSC and covenant will not be in Halo 4"


I know Grey101 fairly well. He had very good legit reasons for believing that UNSC/Covenant won't be appearing at Halo 4. As I decided to join in his side since there is adequate evidence supporting with his claim. As seeing that UNSC Ship at concept art of Halo 4, it may destroy his thread but I suspect that Halo 4's storyline will be rehashed hence boring if they include that faction to Halo 4.

There's a door over there-----------> if you're that much bugged by that thread or his statement.

  • 08.27.2011 1:45 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: anish panchalin

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Posted by: anish panchalin
If the UNSC is in Halo 4 I'll laugh at that idiot who posted the thread "the UNSC and covenant will not be in Halo 4"

Why? I know the OP who posted it, he had his reasoning. Does it bug you that much?


It does bug me. Facts to one side, having an entire halo game or trilogy with absolutely no UNSC appearance would make it a completely weird experience for a Halo game. Halo multiplayer has always had UNSC weapons and so has campaign so if 343 start replacing them all with forerunner or other alien tech it would be like making a completely different game series but just calling it "halo". The OP who made that thread acts like he's completely right (if I remember correctly) when there is hardly any info on H4 out there in the first place. He is jumping to conclusions I think.


I've yet to see anyone give any real evidence of a UNSC or Covie presence in Halo 4, Grey has given evidence to the contrary.

  • 08.27.2011 1:47 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Encyclopedia says the UNSC has not found him even after 2610. Sounds like solid evidence.

  • 08.27.2011 1:56 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

So the UNSC sends some ships randomly out in the galaxy despite still recovering from the, oh I don't know, near extinction of humanity, find Chief, then all just coincidentally die off? So not cliche.

  • 08.27.2011 2:05 AM PDT