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Subject: Why 343 didn't attack the covenant in the terminal video

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer

Terminal 2 video

If you have seen this video you are probably questioning why 343 didn't show aggression to the covenant.

Newest terminal video

But without that record, will future civilisations know anything about us... or only of our weapons?

343 clearly wants future civilisations to know about the forerunners and what they are; so it wouldn't be logical for 343 to attack a civilisation finally coming towards his installation. 343 left the POA alive for personal reasons (he already knew about MC ect) but he did not know about the covenant; so he did not attack them because of the quote above.

  • 08.27.2011 5:20 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Maybe because Monitors only attack a threat to their own installation.

The Covenant aren't a threat as they are scared of damaging a single Forerunner artifact.

The autumn on the other end was unknown to Spark and might be hostile till he discovered there were Humans.

  • 08.27.2011 5:25 AM PDT

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Initially, he was going to attack the ship purely because it was close to the Installation, presumably a containment policy given that there are Flood on the Halo. Then he accessed the data on the ship and learnt they were humans (we saw this as the brief montage of human history). Presumably he already knew that Humanity had been chosen as the successors to the Forerunners, hence him letting them through.

As for why he didn't then blast the Covenant ship into oblivion, presumably 'disabling defences' is an all-or-nothing thing, which would make sense if they're automated.

  • 08.27.2011 6:35 AM PDT

It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

  • 08.27.2011 6:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

San 'Shyumm? The Forerunners knew them, lived alongside them for some time. Maybe they were the second-choice Inheritors.

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Maybe because Monitors only attack a threat to their own installation.

The Covenant aren't a threat as they are scared of damaging a single Forerunner artifact.

The autumn on the other end was unknown to Spark and might be hostile till he discovered there were Humans.

  • 08.27.2011 6:47 AM PDT


Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

San 'Shyumm? The Forerunners knew them, lived alongside them for some time. Maybe they were the second-choice Inheritors.

Good point. I haven't actually read Cryptum yet, but weren't the Prophets in some sort of alliance with the humans, up until the war with the Forerunners?So it would make sense.

  • 08.27.2011 6:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: antony X1000
Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

San 'Shyumm? The Forerunners knew them, lived alongside them for some time. Maybe they were the second-choice Inheritors.

Good point. I haven't actually read Cryptum yet, but weren't the Prophets in some sort of alliance with the humans, up until the war with the Forerunners? So it would make sense.

Basically, yes (not wanting to throw spoilers around).

[Edited on 08.27.2011 6:51 AM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 6:51 AM PDT

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Except.

The covenat arrived before the pillar of atumm into halo...
Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

  • 08.27.2011 8:10 AM PDT


Posted by: BestSpartan117
Except.

The covenat arrived before the pillar of atumm into halo...
Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

I forgot about that. He still could have scanned the ships and found something he wanted to spare though.

Engineers maybe, they were created by the Forerunners.

[Edited on 08.27.2011 8:47 AM PDT]

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Or the fact that there were so many Forerunner "relics" were on the Covenant ships as well as the fact most Covenant technology was a copy of scavenged Forerunner tech. Spark might not be allowed to destroy incoming "forerunner" ships.

  • 08.27.2011 10:30 AM PDT

That video makes me wonder if Keyes actually got that message from Guilty Spark.

  • 08.27.2011 1:33 PM PDT

I think everyone here is forgetting how devious 343 Guilty Spark is. In Halo: CE, he tried to deceive the Chief into lighting the Rings, which is how the Covenant want to initiate the Great Journey. He may have deliberately allowed humans onto Halo because only they could truly "turn the key", and also allowed the overwhelming Covenant to land as well, hoping that the theocratic alien collective would force captured humans into firing the Halo Array.

  • 08.27.2011 1:44 PM PDT

Well not really, he thought Master Chief knew the procedure and what it would do.

  • 08.27.2011 2:13 PM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

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Death to all fanboys.

In all likelihood we'll get our answer when the game comes out and all the terminals are available to listen to. It's pretty much unavoidable for Spark to not comment on how the Covenant managed to land on Halo and release the Flood after all.

Edit: Posted by: CavemanBCE
I think everyone here is forgetting how devious 343 Guilty Spark is. In Halo: CE, he tried to deceive the Chief into lighting the Rings, which is how the Covenant want to initiate the Great Journey. He may have deliberately allowed humans onto Halo because only they could truly "turn the key", and also allowed the overwhelming Covenant to land as well, hoping that the theocratic alien collective would force captured humans into firing the Halo Array.


That was not Spark's motivation or intention in the slightest bit...

[Edited on 08.27.2011 2:31 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 2:27 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


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Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.



The reason he almost activated the rings weapons on the PoA was because he already knew what humans were, and assumed it was a hostile craft. Then he scanned through the human's history and learnt of spartans and master chief which led him to let the reclaimer land on halo.

  • 08.27.2011 3:49 PM PDT

Just seems like 343 have created a massive plot hole.

  • 08.27.2011 9:07 PM PDT

Because he put down the security for the humans I guess that means any ship can enter when the security is down.

  • 08.27.2011 9:13 PM PDT

http://i.imgur.com/fsISj.png

Posted by: Tabris
Just seems like 343 have created a massive plot hole.

You must have missed all the replies in this thread. There are multiple plausible explanations.

[Edited on 08.27.2011 11:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 11:08 PM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

Variety is the spice of life.
Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: Tabris
Just seems like 343 have created a massive plot hole.


You really can't say that yet (keyword there) without having a full understanding and complete access to the rest of the content. It's way to early too call out plot holes at this time.

[Edited on 08.27.2011 11:11 PM PDT]

  • 08.27.2011 11:10 PM PDT

It also confuses me as to why 343 didn't attack the Covenant. They were abviously attacking the PoA and 343 needed them alive?
Maybe he did try to aid the humans in fending the covenant off? Or as somebody else said above me..maybe the covenant was just not seen as a threat at all.

Brings me to another question. Why did the PoA not recieve the messages given from GS? Or did they? If Keyes knew of the intelligance on Halo, then why did he abandon ship? Why did he not land the PoA at the spot given to him from GS?
These terminals are awesome.

  • 08.27.2011 11:44 PM PDT


Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: BestSpartan117
Except.

The covenat arrived before the pillar of atumm into halo...
Posted by: antony X1000
It's unlikely that he wanted the Covenant to learn about the Forerunners when he almost activated the ring's weapons on the PoA.

I think he must have scanned the Covenant ship and seen something that changed his mind like with the humans on board the PoA. That, or as someone else said he had to completely shut off the weapon systems.

I forgot about that. He still could have scanned the ships and found something he wanted to spare though.

Engineers maybe, they were created by the Forerunners.


Seems like the best explanation

  • 08.28.2011 12:04 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: Tabris
Just seems like 343 have created a massive plot hole.


Yeah, just shut yourself out from all the plausible and quite obvious explanations and just say it's a plot hole.

  • 08.28.2011 3:35 AM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2
In all likelihood we'll get our answer when the game comes out and all the terminals are available to listen to. It's pretty much unavoidable for Spark to not comment on how the Covenant managed to land on Halo and release the Flood after all.

Edit: Posted by: CavemanBCE
I think everyone here is forgetting how devious 343 Guilty Spark is. In Halo: CE, he tried to deceive the Chief into lighting the Rings, which is how the Covenant want to initiate the Great Journey. He may have deliberately allowed humans onto Halo because only they could truly "turn the key", and also allowed the overwhelming Covenant to land as well, hoping that the theocratic alien collective would force captured humans into firing the Halo Array.


That was not Spark's motivation or intention in the slightest bit...


Are you saying that Spark DIDN'T try to trick the Chief into firing the ring?

  • 08.28.2011 4:07 AM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

Variety is the spice of life.
Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: CavemanBCE

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
In all likelihood we'll get our answer when the game comes out and all the terminals are available to listen to. It's pretty much unavoidable for Spark to not comment on how the Covenant managed to land on Halo and release the Flood after all.

Edit: Posted by: CavemanBCE
I think everyone here is forgetting how devious 343 Guilty Spark is. In Halo: CE, he tried to deceive the Chief into lighting the Rings, which is how the Covenant want to initiate the Great Journey. He may have deliberately allowed humans onto Halo because only they could truly "turn the key", and also allowed the overwhelming Covenant to land as well, hoping that the theocratic alien collective would force captured humans into firing the Halo Array.


That was not Spark's motivation or intention in the slightest bit...


Are you saying that Spark DIDN'T try to trick the Chief into firing the ring?


Yes.

You realize that Spark was only following protocol yes? That he had no intention of activating the ring because he was in cahoots with the Covenant on their holy quest yes? That he genuinely had no idea the Chief didn't realize what Halo did yes?

With those questions in your mind, I am telling you directly that 343 Guilty Spark did not try to intentionally trick the Chief into activating Halo at all. Do you know why Spark wanted to activate the ring? Because the Flood broke out and were spreading that's why.

  • 08.28.2011 4:17 AM PDT

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