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Subject: The true power of the Flood

I got into a bit of an arguement with my friends about the Flood and their counterparts in the Dead Space series, the Necromorphs. He is constantly claiming that are far stronger and can defeat the flood any day.

Now with all the people here in the forums with their great knowledge of the Halo lore, could you help me prove them wrong and tell him why the Flood would simply destroy the Necro's any day?

I tell him they defeated the all powerful Forerunner and he claims the Necromorphs would have done the same thing.

Help me out guys.

  • 08.28.2011 1:56 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Are you two debating on internet or in real life?

I would help,but my internet is ruined as hell now.

There is a thread like that on bungie.net ,take a look at it and you will have some awesome info to throw it at him.

  • 08.28.2011 3:32 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
Are you two debating on internet or in real life?

I would help,but my internet is ruined as hell now.

There is a thread like that on bungie.net ,take a look at it and you will have some awesome info to throw it at him.

Both.

  • 08.28.2011 3:42 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Tell him this:

-Flood supercell is superior to anything the morphs have. It allows them to create any for they want ,just take a look at Halo legends and you see all of those Flood forms.Those are the results of it.With this the Flood literally have a botomless arsenal and have a counter to anything the morphs can throw at them

-The Flood can infect faster with airborn flood spores,infection spores,biting someone,hell even dead Flood parts a-can still infect(Cryptum)

-Gravemind nuff said.

BTW are you guys on a debating site or something else?

  • 08.28.2011 4:05 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
Tell him this:

-Flood supercell is superior to anything the morphs have. It allows them to create any for they want ,just take a look at Halo legends and you see all of those Flood forms.Those are the results of it.With this the Flood literally have a botomless arsenal and have a counter to anything the morphs can throw at them

-The Flood can infect faster with airborn flood spores,infection spores,biting someone,hell even dead Flood parts a-can still infect(Cryptum)

-Gravemind nuff said.

BTW are you guys on a debating site or something else?
No, just over live and when we meet in class. He still thinks that if the Flood try to infect a Necromorph, the Necromorph would overpower the flood spore and in fact infect it!

  • 08.28.2011 4:09 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Check this out :

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=55760203&p ostRepeater1-p=3#56025710


Roberto does a great job of proving why teh flood would win.

  • 08.28.2011 4:14 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
Check this out :

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=55760203&p ostRepeater1-p=3#56025710


Roberto does a great job of proving why teh flood would win.
You know what's funny? I'm the OP of that thread. =P

  • 08.28.2011 4:30 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Lol,had you forgotten that thread? xd

  • 08.28.2011 4:39 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
Lol,had you forgotten that thread? xd
To be honest, I couldn't find it!

  • 08.28.2011 4:40 AM PDT
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Sentient super cell with the capability of modifying itself in any way it wants and can infect the living and the dead vs a disease that only infects dead bodies.....

  • 08.28.2011 6:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Flood curb stomps the Necromorphs faster than the Thought Police crack down on thought crimes.

  • 08.28.2011 6:35 AM PDT
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considering the Flood are stronger, faster, and smarter than the necromorphs......

  • 08.28.2011 6:53 AM PDT

fuuuuuuuu.....I wrote a 5,000 character explanation on why the Necros would lose a long time ago; a lot of people found it informative and even some Necro defenders converted. I can remember a good chunk of it, but I just woke up, and my arms are royally screwed from weight training class. I'll write as much as I can, though.

Okay....

1) The Flood Super Cell. A nearly instantly adaptable cellular structure, the FSC is fully capable of churning out literally anything the Flood might need. This could include a biological power plant (or such things as base of operations) to any creature suited to construct any purpose, be it offensive, defensive, or labor.

The FSC also guarantees immunity to foreign ailments, as confirmed in the Besterium, which says the Flood are immune to disease. This makes Necro-counter infection impossible.

2) Intelligence. The Flood demonstrate an inate intelligence that goes beyond the animal instinct to kill, such as the case with the Necro. The Gravemind has been estimated, based on prior calculations, to be able to deduce the odds of occurence of any attack that could be brought upon it and could then create any number of contigency plans to counter said attacks. Thus explaining why the Forerunners, despite their planet obliterating power, could not destroy the Flood without destroying themselves; any potential attack that they could have commited too was already predicted by the Gravemind and, using the FSC, was effectively countered and defeated.

3) Knowledge. As a tie-in to point number 2, the Gravemind's knowledge and (presumably) intelligence grows with each kill. Should the Flood infect a Necro, he then knows all there is too know about the Necromorphs, and how to kill them most effectively. Using the FSC in point number 1, the Mind begins to manufacture Flood breeds built to de-limb (or otherwise tear them apart) the Necros. Such creatures would need to counter the Necros' nature of hiding in the dark and agility; more powerful eyes, and a tank-like hide to defend against swift blows.

4) Method of Consumption. The Necros have all shown a requirement in needing to use Infectors as a means to take a host. They otherwise just kill them. The host must also be alive to infect. None of this applies to the Flood, and anyone with two brain cells can easily deduce that the Flood's method of consumption is superior.

Whereas the Necros have one method, the Flood have all of them. Cryptum has recently revealed that simple contact with even a dead Flood will guarantee you infection. Airborn spores can take a planet faster then the Necros can take a ship (consider: The Forerunners, who had Death Stars attatched to their ships, used Transformer-like mechs as combat suits, and had hundred(s) ton bombs for bullets, considered a planet to be completely lost should even a single Flood spore be reported on the surface). Dead creatures can still be reanimated by the Flood or melted down into, essentially, spare parts (biomass). Necros cannot create an immunity to the Flood Super Cell, either, as nothing has (canonically) shown to do so (as it were, Johnson's immunity was apparently retconned. But I'm not the one to ask about that; ask someone who reads the comics). Thousands of methods to fight the Flood as a disease tried and failed on the Forerunners part, and even the only known cure in the universe still required self-destructive acts of mass suicides. And that was the primitive Flood, the Flood that the cure apparently no longer applies too.

5) Gravemind vs. Hivemind. The Hivemind exists a massive creature with flailing tenticles and several weak spots for Issac to shoot at. Still, quite dangerous. The hilarity comes in when you realize the Gravemind has churned out Flood pure forms that were the size of, and bigger then, the Hivemind for the sake of acting like siege engines. When the single most powerful form in your army that will ever exist is considered essentially a siege tank to the opposite side, you know where I stand on this.

And that doesn't include the glaring fact the Gravemind is not a corporeal entity but is rather a consciousness that controls the Flood. You can't kill him without killing the Flood (and three Halos, a massive nuclear explosion, a glassing, getting the world you're on destroyed, and a war with the Forerunners--who in turn destroyed pretty much every world and star the Gravemind laid a tentical on--later, he's still alive and kicking) and you just can't kill the Flood. Whereas if you kill the Hivemind, all the Necros die as well.

6) Technology. Do I really even need to explain? If we're going to assume that the two sides are the strongest they've ever been, the Forerunner Flood would drop kick the Necros for a Field Goal. They wouldn't lose even a single ship. The Necros would find the planet they're on suddenly shatter out from underneath them.

But even without Forerunner technology, the fact that the Flood, who has thus far proven to be the biologically superior race in literally every facet and scenario, can use technology as effectively as their makers....

Flood win.

  • 08.28.2011 7:04 AM PDT
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A better fight would be the Flood vs The Chimera, but I still think it would go to the Flood.

  • 08.28.2011 7:17 AM PDT

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win=flood

the flood would just infect the necro's

  • 08.28.2011 7:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Don't worry Roberto, somebody provided linkage of your post.

  • 08.28.2011 7:32 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

As a whole The Flood would win. But, individually Necromorphs would win most of the time. The Flood is strong when working together. Hence, they took out the almighty Forerunners. But, Necromorphs do have some tough sons a b*itches that could take out Flood forms with ease.

[Edited on 08.28.2011 7:36 AM PDT]

  • 08.28.2011 7:35 AM PDT


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
As a whole The Flood would win. But, individually Necromorphs would win most of the time. The Flood is strong when working together. Hence, they took out the almighty Forerunners. But, Necromorphs do have some tough sons a b*itches that could take out Flood forms with ease.


You're thinking of human combat forms. Infected. They are to the Flood as the Grunts are to the Covenant; True Flood, those the Forerunners fought, are vastly, vastly more dangerous then the Flood people fight in games.

  • 08.28.2011 7:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
As a whole The Flood would win. But, individually Necromorphs would win most of the time. The Flood is strong when working together. Hence, they took out the almighty Forerunners. But, Necromorphs do have some tough sons a b*itches that could take out Flood forms with ease.


You're thinking of human combat forms. Infected. They are to the Flood as the Grunts are to the Covenant; True Flood, those the Forerunners fought, are vastly, vastly more dangerous then the Flood people fight in games.


One example would be the Tank. It would beat down anything the Nercos throw at it. Not to mention the Juggernaut, something that could literally tear a Scorpion tank apart. It would have little trouble doing the same to some Necros.

  • 08.28.2011 7:57 AM PDT
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A basic combat form can jump 15 meters in the air and then cave your skull in with one hit from a rock. Flood>Necromorphs in 1v1.

  • 08.28.2011 7:58 AM PDT

tell your friend that the flood would DEFINETELY beat necromorphs or whoever they are because...... THEY'RE UNBEATABLE (If you take master cheif out of the fight and give him canser or something) :) lol Better idea flood vs flood !!!! :) lol

[Edited on 08.28.2011 8:11 AM PDT]

  • 08.28.2011 8:03 AM PDT
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tHe Flood can't fight themselves....

  • 08.28.2011 8:25 AM PDT

Yes, I did make that mess. What are you going to do about it?

Flood Power Lvl? ITZ OVER 9000! but flood can die and respawn only one necromorph did that in Dead Space 2. Flood were some what cute in Halo CE-Halo 3, the necromorphs were always ulgy. the flood didn't have you rapidly button mashing the A button when a Flood jumped on you. And in Halo 2 if you had enough flood jump on the Ship Master he never returned from the dark ceiling above you :D, lets see the necromorphs do that.

[Edited on 08.28.2011 3:28 PM PDT]

  • 08.28.2011 10:11 AM PDT
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I didn't see any change in seriousness from start to finish in the post above.

The Flood being cute? Really?

  • 08.28.2011 11:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Tell him this?...:

-Flood supercell is superior to anything the morphs have. It allows them to create any for they want ,just take a look at Halo legends and you see all of those Flood forms.Those are the results of it.With this the Flood literally have a botomless arsenal and have a counter to anything the morphs can throw at them

-The Flood can infect faster with airborn flood spores,infection spores,biting someone,hell even dead Flood parts a-can still infect(Cryptum)

-Gravemind nuff said.

BTW are you guys on a debating site or something else?

  • 08.28.2011 12:03 PM PDT

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