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Subject: Another Forum Ninja Thread

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Now that's something I can relate to. Not being a moderator mind you, but my profession. Working for a very public facing company always left me with being hounded whenever I left my badge on (like the title/color/avatar change of moderators) when I went out before or after work.

I got my fair share of crap and opinion about my employer thrown at me.

However, when I removed it it's like I was a different person, no one bothered me and I was free to do as I pleased.

In any case, good luck being a regular joe.
Posted by: Achilles1108
No there is always time to post. Part of the problem is that as soon as you start posting people will start messaging the hell outta you to take care of one problem or another.

The other thing is that sometimes people will try to find every post that you make and start pointing out how you are above the rules and it isn't fair.

Quite frankly it is much better being a normal member. No crap to deal with. You can just run footloose and fancy free.
Posted by: Specter Wolf
So you would say that your post count dropped off once you became mod and returned recently? Would you say that it was a willing change or something brought on by the fact that you now had a task to preform while on the forums? You know,finding that you simply didn't have as much time to post?
Posted by: Achilles1108
After being on both sides of the fence I can say being a normal member is much better than being a moderator. My post count has increased dramatically since I resigned.
Posted by: Kickimanjaro

Posted by: Achilles1108
Normie > Moderator

Thanks for the answer, mind elaborating?

  • 08.31.2011 4:04 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: bobcast
I don't post as much even though I'm here as much as I used too.

How has your experience changed? Is it better, worse, or about the same? What things do you find better and worse?

  • 08.31.2011 4:25 PM PDT

"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Wait Achilles was fired for drinking on the job, wasn't he?

  • 08.31.2011 4:54 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: Hyperlink Error
I see what Qbix wrote.

I see this thread.

I see relation.

I actually got the idea to make this thread a couple days ago while playing with Duardo. I just wanted to wait till after PAX to make the thread, I didn't get on the computer till late yesterday.

  • 08.31.2011 4:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: vanert
Does the ability to clean up the public forum make it worth it?
I don't come here to clean up people's mess, nor do I enjoy banning members. I come here for the same reasons as everyone else: news, discussion, entertainment, escapism and a common interest in bungie.

As a ninja it is the potential to positively influence the overall experience for both myself and others that I find most appealing and rewarding. This doesn't just entail helping members or removing problem users; I can appropriately direct a discussion and/or keep rulebreaking in check by going about things as usual (be it posting lame jokes or engaging in interesting threads). An increased amount of pointless private messages and a sizeable number of suck-ups and critics come hand in hand, but I am quite capable of ignoring sychophancy and choosing, like everyone else, what I take into consideration or respond to in a discussion.

For me the benefits of the role have brought on a number of changes. Pre-modhood I hardly ever interacted outside groups or the community forum (shamefully I was the only mod who didn't have 300 posts in The Flood...) and I frequently allowed stupidity to get under my skin. Post-modship I am far more tolerant and actually feel more inclined to post, [tactfully] sharing my thoughts, despite the burden of orange text.

I have since also got involved in a number of community projects/initiatives, like the Community Carnage and the development of Team Classic, which have added some sense of purpose and identity outside of moderating. Oddly I would say being a moderator has either directly or indirectly made me a better member of the community. My experiences are by no means conventional, but the message here is that the position does not waste away formerly good members (as is sometimes argued), but is instead what you make it.

  • 08.31.2011 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
Nobody likes the hallway-monitor.

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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: Tom T

Well put. The way you see things is very similar to how I do. I'm obviously not a moderator, but early on in my Bungie.net experience I created a large group that I had to maintain. It was a fun experience that was also rewarding.

I think a problem that some moderators may have is they might see moderation more of a job than anything. If you get on with the mindset of "Gotta get on and clear out the stupid..." then you'll get tired down the road. But if you just moderate as you go, and casually browse just as you would, then your Bungie.net experience shouldn't change for the worse.

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I was linked to this thread, so I will respond...

I resigned because I didn't have the time, and the time I did have I wanted to use to enjoy myself, not waste on others.

  • 08.31.2011 8:29 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

I wasn't a regular member for very long actually. I posted a lot in the Septagon, NM, and The Flood, but I don't think anyone really cared or noticed. I posted just as much as a mod, but it was usually kinda dry and usually less playful. I enjoyed being a mod sometimes, but at other times it felt like a job and that was obviously not too fun.

I have also noticed I'm not nearly as helpful as I was before and when I was a mod. I rarely try to actually come up with helpful answers for people. I used to PM people all the time trying to be helpful. I'd even PM people who made things like blogs in the Flood telling them to just put a question in so I didn't have to lock it. I'm not sure why I have no interest in this at the moment. I used to do as many helpful things I I could for some reason.

I think I burned myself out too quickly. I moderated a lot, and now that I think about it I just moderated too often for too long. I didn't take enough breaks, and eventually just felt it take its toll on me. Add to that all my IRL issues and i was just not interested in it anymore. It was too much of a chore, and felt that I should just stop so I wouldn't be tempted to continue doing it. I didn't want to just not come here and become yet another useless name in HFCS. Absent mods annoy me, and I didn't want to do it to anyone else.

I currently like being another unremarkable name among many. I can say things that I didn't have the balls to say as a ninja. I don't feel compelled to sort of act professional so people don't think badly of Bungie because of me. I can be my usual blunt and playful self, who usually is in serious risk of being banned for the things I say. I like that freedom. That's not to say I would never take up the hammer again, but I kinda doubt Bungie would have me now anyway. They seem to be fine with what they have.

One thing I do think is interesting is how unremarkable I really am now. People used to quote me all the time and PM me about various things. Now it seems that I'm rarely even payed any attention to. Which is fine. I just think the dichotomy is interesting.

[Edited on 08.31.2011 9:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 9:08 PM PDT

Stop banning me please.

This ninja thread sounds like any otehr to me

  • 08.31.2011 9:09 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: XxExpungexX
This ninja thread sounds like any otehr to me

Darn it.

  • 08.31.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tom T
I don't come here to clean up people's mess, nor do I enjoy banning members. I come here for the same reasons as everyone else: news, discussion, entertainment, escapism and a common interest in bungie.

As a ninja it is the potential to positively influence the overall experience for both myself and others that I find most appealing and rewarding. This doesn't just entail helping members or removing problem users; I can appropriately direct a discussion and/or keep rulebreaking in check by going about things as usual (be it posting lame jokes or engaging in interesting threads). An increased amount of pointless private messages and a sizeable number of suck-ups and critics come hand in hand, but I am quite capable of ignoring sychophancy and choosing, like everyone else, what I take into consideration or respond to in a discussion.

For me the benefits of the role have brought on a number of changes. Pre-modhood I hardly ever interacted outside groups or the community forum (shamefully I was the only mod who didn't have 300 posts in The Flood...) and I frequently allowed stupidity to get under my skin. Post-modship I am far more tolerant and actually feel more inclined to post, [tactfully] sharing my thoughts, despite the burden of orange text.

I have since also got involved in a number of community projects/initiatives, like the Community Carnage and the development of Team Classic, which have added some sense of purpose and identity outside of moderating. Oddly I would say being a moderator has either directly or indirectly made me a better member of the community. My experiences are by no means conventional, but the message here is that the position does not waste away formerly good members (as is sometimes argued), but is instead what you make it.
I agree with this. It really isn't about having a hammer. It's about being a positive influence on both sides. That is enjoyable.

Some of the particulars about me personally are different. I used to exclusively post in the mains. Moderating began around the same time that I was making some friends and joining some private groups. Once you do that, this site is different. If you do it right, it's is significantly better.

The cool part is that it really was paralell. One would think that I got into people's groups because members were sucking up to the moderator. But it really wasn't like that. The friends and group involvement preceded moderating by a short amount of time.

Now most of my activity is in the groups, but I try to balance it out. Tom is right. posting, and presence on the forums has an impact. But at the same time, bobcast and Achilles are also right. It is incresingly difficult to post. The interuptions can add up. But as long as you don't try to do too much, it's worth it.

  • 08.31.2011 9:13 PM PDT

Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
Bricypoo's custom user title = Ultra Lame Thread Maker


Posted by: True Underdog
Only after we ban Bricypoo.

On here being a forum ninja means you are looked upon as a example on the forums. That is why they are a select few who know how to keep This life style unknown. (Well some what) Then they put on a good face on here.

That is what there ALTS are for. I may or may not be a forum ninja's ALT....

  • 08.31.2011 9:17 PM PDT

cars, girls & cake all day everyday

I still pay just as much attention to you as I payed attention to you when you were a mod, and just as much as I pay attention to everyone else. (during that PM helpful phase I believe you stopped me from taking up a continuously posting like this sort of habit...so, yeah. Thanks for that.)

Anyways, I find myself helping members around here pretty often too, I don't feel like I have an obligation or main cause for it either, other than the fact that I don't like to see people waltzing around the forums misinformed or deprived of the latest and necessary info, and then them having to make threads about it.

So yeah, I fully freakin' agree. A moderator position, to me, often implies a need to help the forums (hence why I often [jokingly and sometimes non-jokingly for the CLEARLY THEY SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS -blam!- cases] criticize the moderators for "being inconsistent") despite the position being just a volunteer thing. I want to help people out, and I know I would eventually not like doing it if I felt I needed to do it, because I know that eventually I'll stop wanting to do it anyway.
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  • 08.31.2011 9:37 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: Count Blinkula
Anyways, I find myself helping members around here pretty often too,

That's funny, because you're kind of a jerk to me on IRC...

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Posted by: evilcam
I wasn't a regular member for very long actually. I posted a lot in the Septagon, NM, and The Flood, but I don't think anyone really cared or noticed. I posted just as much as a mod, but it was usually kinda dry and usually less playful. I enjoyed being a mod sometimes, but at other times it felt like a job and that was obviously not too fun.

I have also noticed I'm not nearly as helpful as I was before and when I was a mod. I rarely try to actually come up with helpful answers for people. I used to PM people all the time trying to be helpful. I'd even PM people who made things like blogs in the Flood telling them to just put a question in so I didn't have to lock it. I'm not sure why I have no interest in this at the moment. I used to do as many helpful things I I could for some reason.

I think I burned myself out too quickly. I moderated a lot, and now that I think about it I just moderated too often for too long. I didn't take enough breaks, and eventually just felt it take its toll on me. Add to that all my IRL issues and i was just not interested in it anymore. It was too much of a chore, and felt that I should just stop so I wouldn't be tempted to continue doing it. I didn't want to just not come here and become yet another useless name in HFCS. Absent mods annoy me, and I didn't want to do it to anyone else.

I currently like being another unremarkable name among many. I can say things that I didn't have the balls to say as a ninja. I don't feel compelled to sort of act professional so people don't think badly of Bungie because of me. I can be my usual blunt and playful self, who usually is in serious risk of being banned for the things I say. I like that freedom. That's not to say I would never take up the hammer again, but I kinda doubt Bungie would have me now anyway. They seem to be fine with what they have.

One thing I do think is interesting is how unremarkable I really am now. People used to quote me all the time and PM me about various things. Now it seems that I'm rarely even payed any attention to. Which is fine. I just think the dichotomy is interesting.


I can totally understand the "burning yourself out" thing. As it is, I've already burned myself out on being helpful. For a while, I tried to be as helpful as possible to as many people as I could be, however, I soon realized it didn't make a difference. Regardless of how many people I helped more just came and asked the same old questions.

Reluctantly, I've turned into a grumpy old fart...

  • 08.31.2011 9:48 PM PDT

cars, girls & cake all day everyday

Get back to your corner! >:|
Posted by: vanert
Posted by: Count Blinkula
Anyways, I find myself helping members around here pretty often too,

That's funny, because you're kind of a jerk to me on IRC...

  • 08.31.2011 9:48 PM PDT

cars, girls & cake all day everyday

That's each of my "Main Forum 8-9 Month Per Year Posting Extravaganzas"...since 2006...in a -blam!- nutshell. Thing is, I'll leave, talk crap about how stupid everyone on Earth is...and then come back and start helping again. I need a -blam!- job.
Posted by: drummer0702
I can totally understand the "burning yourself out" thing. As it is, I've already burned myself out on being helpful. For a while, I tried to be as helpful as possible to as many people as I could be, however, I soon realized it didn't make a difference. Regardless of how many people I helped more just came and asked the same old questions.

Reluctantly, I've turned into a grumpy old fart...


[Edited on 08.31.2011 9:55 PM PDT]

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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

My experience has changed in some ways and stayed the same in others.

Pre-modship I would try to be as helpful as I could be. I enjoyed chatting about Halo and about Bungie. Since I had a lot of times on my hands, I created a few FAQs to help people (most notably the Halo 3 Q&A thread and the Member Titles). I loved talking about Halo 2 and about Halo 3 and coming up with theories and just having a good time.

When I joined HFCS I would be one for HOURS at a time moderating. I was trying to learn the ropes and I was looking for anything that broke the rules. I honestly did this for about a month before burning out. What happened is that I no longer enjoyed the site. I was looking for the bad all the time and I forgot to be a fan.

Over times I've learned how to adjust my time accordingly, and I've learned that the bad is going to happen no matter what, and instead of looking for it, have some fun and deal with it when it happens. I've become a lot more relaxed with what I do, and for the past two years I've been frequenting the Flood a lot more because I find most everything else rather boring.

Due to my promotion, I've been able to help out a lot more in terms of getting rid of crap and being more resourceful. I've even managed to create a few more FAQs which I wouldn't have dreamed possible pre-modship.

To be honest, this is more of a job than anything. I've had more responsibilities pop up in my life due to college and graduating, and when i get on I try to enjoy myself as best I can. When i start to fizzle out, I don't bother getting on for a good month, and afterward I come back and enjoy myself again.

Suck ups come and go, and sometimes I feel rather hated, but I've also met a tone of amazing people throughout my experience and I'm happy I know them.

  • 09.02.2011 10:11 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: DuardoI would say that there has been little (if any) change in the way you converse here on B.net. You were always helpful in the first place, always making a conversation a little more interesting. I remember telling you on Halo 3 (Rats Nest :P) that you were a sure fire pick for moderator and you were so humble and replied with a, "Nahh, there are plenty of others that are way more qualified than myself."

I'd say you are one of the more appreciated, go-to moderators and I'd say a good percentage of the community would have my back with that one.

  • 09.02.2011 10:33 PM PDT

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