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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
S-IIIs may have recieved the same augmentations as the S-IIs, but the s-IIs did far above expected levels.

for example, the expected reaction time boost was 300%. Surviving S-IIs actually got a 1400% reaction time boost. No where have I seen S-IIIs lifting as much, running as fast, ect.

Also, there is reason to believe the MJOLNIR Mark V armor NOBLE Team wears is =/= to regular Mark V. In Halsey's journal, she says the armor is modified, in a way that wasn't as effective as her design. Possibly dimmed down to fit S-IIIs because they do not have the same physical traits of S-IIs. S-IIIs, I'll say this again, are as good physically as S-IIs were PREDICTED to be, however, S-IIs exceeded the expectations.


Adding field modifications =/= inferior.

  • 09.06.2011 9:42 PM PDT

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The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!

[Edited on 09.06.2011 10:04 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin
The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!


So that means Master Chief can do anything and everybody who died in the war and one Reach just sucks right?

Including most of his fellow Spartan II's.

  • 09.06.2011 10:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MasterSin
The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!


So that means Master Chief can do anything and everybody who died in the war and one Reach just sucks right?

Including most of his fellow Spartan II's.


You finally understand. Lol

  • 09.06.2011 10:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MasterSin
The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!


So that means Master Chief can do anything and everybody who died in the war and one Reach just sucks right?

Including most of his fellow Spartan II's.


Nope, it means he found a way to survive and continue the fight, Noble Team are Spartans indeed, but like Master Chief and most of the Spartans II, they've been fighting since the beginning of the UNSC - Covenant war, and lasted longer, the Chief knows how to fight and survive.

You can clearly see that some of the Noble team members are way too afected by the loss of their teammates, and end up killing themselfs protecting their last live members (Noble 1 was clearly affected by Kat's death) and the Chief witnessed more friends die along the years and still did not allowed himself to suffer, but focus on surviving to kill more covies and avenge his fallen brothers and sisters.

Or atleast that's how I see it.

[Edited on 09.06.2011 10:21 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2011 10:19 PM PDT

Noble 1 knew he was going to die anyway, and if he didn't ram that scarab it'd kill both Six and Emile, and cause the mission to fail. It was not cause Kat died.

  • 09.06.2011 10:28 PM PDT

I've seen people state "Master Chief would struggle with Noble 6"

This is highly doubtful. Why does everyone forget that Master Chief has had MANY more years worth of experience and to top it off he has (along with all the S-II's) an augmentation that the rest of the S-III's don't have. Which encourages muscle and bone growth. All this aside (Augmentations and experience) Spartan-II's all have the ability of being stronger and faster natrually because of their genes. Put all this together and it clearly points to a sole winner. Not saying MC is the best S-II but he can clearly take on Noble 6.

As for Master Chief V Noble Team. Well it's not really a fair fight at 6v1. In any case Noble Team could take on Chief but in 1v1 fights Chief could kick all of Noble teams asses. The only person he would struggle with is Jorge not Noble 6.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 5:26 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 5:23 AM PDT
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to back you up on the augmentations between the S2's and S3's
Spartan 2 augmentations included:
Occipital Capillary Reversal; increasing perception
Carbide Ceramic Ossification; makes bones unbreakable
Catalytic Thyroid Implant; strengthens bone and muscle structure
Muscular Enhancement Injections; further increases muscle strength and durability, as well as making tendons stronger
Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites; 300% reflex time (Spartan time)
these augmentations allowed the subject to run at speeds exceeding 55km/h or 34.2mph,they were capable of carrying 3 times their body weight without wearing armour, nightvision and 300% reaction time.

compared to Spartan 3 augmentations which included:
"carbide ceramic ossification catalyst" drug; making bones unbreakable, much like the S2 augmentation, only administered via a drug instead of surgery (which made the results less effective)
"fibroid muscular protein complex" drug; allowing heavier lifting (again, via a drug instead of surgery)
"retina-inversion stabilizer" drug; allowing colour enhancement and nightvision.
improve the colloidal neural disunification solution; allowing 300% reaction time

only Gamma company were given the additional augmentations:
Neural-altering non-carcinogenic mutagen; to enhance aggression and mental durability under stress.
cyclodexione-4, bipolar integration drug; to counter side effects of increased aggression.
miso-olanzapine; to counter side effects of increased aggression.

so basically, Spartan 3's got most of the same augmentations as Spartan 2's, only less effective ones as they only used drugs instead of surgery and drugs.
(drugs being less effective than surgery and drugs in my opinion)
Spartan 3's didn't get the 'thyroid implant' which would have given them increased muscle and bone tissues.

S2 vs S3: an S2 would always win in a 1v1, it's genetic...
plus S2's have the bonus of experience, better equipment used for augmentation, better quality augmentations, ect...
however John vs the whole of noble team would most likely result in John getting destroyed, fighting against a fellow S2 and a horde of S3's

[Edited on 09.07.2011 8:03 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 7:56 AM PDT


Posted by: jakemaidment
S2 vs S3: an S2 would always win in a 1v1, it's genetic...
plus S2's have the bonus of experience, better equipment used for augmentation, better quality augmentations, ect...
however John vs the whole of noble team would most likely result in John getting destroyed, fighting against a fellow S2 and a horde of S3's


Thanks, exactly what I've been saying.

1v1 means John is more then likely to be the victor but 1v6 would mean that John would be squashed, it's undeniable. I'm tired of seeing loads of "S-III's are exactly the same" information posted around when clearly they are genetically weaker not only natrually but also by their augmentations. (Lets not forget experience).

  • 09.07.2011 8:14 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Who do I prefer? Chief.

Who would win? You're pitting a team of Spartans against one Spartan. The mathematics are determinate. Chief would maybe be able to eliminate one member of Noble Team before being overwhelmed by the opposing Spartans.

  • 09.07.2011 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: Surperion93
I've seen people state "Master Chief would struggle with Noble 6"

This is highly doubtful. Why does everyone forget that Master Chief has had MANY more years worth of experience and to top it off he has (along with all the S-II's) an augmentation that the rest of the S-III's don't have. Which encourages muscle and bone growth. All this aside (Augmentations and experience) Spartan-II's all have the ability of being stronger and faster natrually because of their genes. Put all this together and it clearly points to a sole winner. Not saying MC is the best S-II but he can clearly take on Noble 6.


Its still debatable, there both Hyper Lethal Spartans, even Halsey and Cortanas clone acknowledge that.

  • 09.07.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: ElementL09

Posted by: Surperion93
I've seen people state "Master Chief would struggle with Noble 6"

This is highly doubtful. Why does everyone forget that Master Chief has had MANY more years worth of experience and to top it off he has (along with all the S-II's) an augmentation that the rest of the S-III's don't have. Which encourages muscle and bone growth. All this aside (Augmentations and experience) Spartan-II's all have the ability of being stronger and faster natrually because of their genes. Put all this together and it clearly points to a sole winner. Not saying MC is the best S-II but he can clearly take on Noble 6.


Its still debatable, there both Hyper Lethal Spartans, even Halsey and Cortanas clone acknowledge that.


Cortana picked him for a courier mission, it doesn't make him amazing just suitable enough to run down to the PoA and drop her off. ALthough I see your point, we don't know enough about Noble 6 to say he is better then chief JUST because Halsey said he was "Hyper Lethal". All we truely have to go on is the fact he is a S-III and as I stated above being a S-III doesnn't make him eaqual to a S-II and therefor John.

All I'm saying is all the evidence into account leaves little to no reasonable counter argument to what I said. I'm sure some one out there can find a way to reply to what I've said but I doubt it will be non-bias.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 11:26 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 11:06 AM PDT

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How can MC have more years experience when Noble 6 is around before MC?

MC only ends the covenant,after Noble 6 is already dead.

So if Noble 6 fought MC if MC got off the Pillar of Autumn on Reach,Noble 6 would win.

Add the other 5 Spartans,and it's no contest.

  • 09.07.2011 1:57 PM PDT

You know what amuses me?

People act like because somebody's genes at better, that means they'll win more likely. They don't explain how 'inferior' S3's are, just leave it vague and go "They are shorter/smaller, therefore they are inferior" Well guess what pals? Short people can win and outmatch taller people.

  • 09.07.2011 2:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
You know what amuses me?

People act like because somebody's genes at better, that means they'll win more likely. They don't explain how 'inferior' S3's are, just leave it vague and go "They are shorter/smaller, therefore they are inferior" Well guess what pals? Short people can win and outmatch taller people.


They are also physically weaker due to a lack of a certain augmentation plus because they don't have good genes. Putting both together must add to a more then minor difference in strength. Sure I see that you think that they MIGHT have a chance because we don't know the exact extent of physical difference between the two but logically if someone was stronger then me and just as fast then every punch he lays does more damage then every punch I lay.

Being slightly shorter is the least of their differences with S-II's.

Posted by: tr sargent

How can MC have more years experience when Noble 6 is around before MC?

MC only ends the covenant,after Noble 6 is already dead.

So if Noble 6 fought MC if MC got off the Pillar of Autumn on Reach,Noble 6 would win.


Are you kidding me? Chief defantly has more years of experience. Noble 6 is NOT around before Master Chief.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 2:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Kyle Kilgore

master cheaf is the best becaus noble team all dies and master cheaf is still on four 4 hole games

  • 09.07.2011 2:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Want to know why Chief survived Reach? He didn't fight on the planet. He fought on Gamma Station against a very small Covenant force and got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor. Though he won, it shows he isn't a god.

And seriously, it's six guns pointed at one gun, you would have to be blinded by pure fanboyism to think that could go either way.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 3:13 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 3:13 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor.


Well, that's total bull crap on the author's part in terms of Master Chief's capability.
Under what circumstances was Chief in when that happened?

  • 09.07.2011 3:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor.


Well, that's total bull crap on the author's part in terms of Master Chief's capability.
Under what circumstances was Chief in when that happened?

He and Blue Team just got off the Pillar of Autumn while Red Team flew down towards Reach. They lost James in space, but once on-board Gamma, they encountered light Covie resistance.

Seriously, Chief getting his ass handed to him isn't a concept found in The Fall of reach, it's in pretty much every Halo book.

  • 09.07.2011 3:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Want to know why Chief survived Reach? He didn't fight on the planet. He fought on Gamma Station against a very small Covenant force and got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor. Though he won, it shows he isn't a god.

And seriously, it's six guns pointed at one gun, you would have to be blinded by pure fanboyism to think that could go either way.


You're right, 6v1 Chief would probably loose. Fairer fight if it was 1v1. This topic was pretty much decided the second you actually think about it logically the idea of 6 Spartans against 1 leaves an obvious answer.

  • 09.07.2011 3:23 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Want to know why Chief survived Reach? He didn't fight on the planet. He fought on Gamma Station against a very small Covenant force and got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor. Though he won, it shows he isn't a god.

And seriously, it's six guns pointed at one gun, you would have to be blinded by pure fanboyism to think that could go either way.


You're right, 6v1 Chief would probably loose. Fairer fight if it was 1v1. This topic was pretty much decided the second you actually think about it logically the idea of 6 Spartans against 1 leaves an obvious answer.


You assume the majority of the Halo fanbase uses logic.

  • 09.07.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor.


Well, that's total bull crap on the author's part in terms of Master Chief's capability.
Under what circumstances was Chief in when that happened?

He and Blue Team just got off the Pillar of Autumn while Red Team flew down towards Reach. They lost James in space, but once on-board Gamma, they encountered light Covie resistance.

Seriously, Chief getting his ass handed to him isn't a concept found in The Fall of reach, it's in pretty much every Halo book.


Maybe not got his ass handed to him, but he had a good bit of difficulty.

Chief was also completely fresh, rested, and that was his... second fight of the day I believe. First close quarters fight of the day.

  • 09.07.2011 3:26 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor.


Well, that's total bull crap on the author's part in terms of Master Chief's capability.
Under what circumstances was Chief in when that happened?

He and Blue Team just got off the Pillar of Autumn while Red Team flew down towards Reach. They lost James in space, but once on-board Gamma, they encountered light Covie resistance.

Seriously, Chief getting his ass handed to him isn't a concept found in The Fall of reach, it's in pretty much every Halo book.


Maybe not got his ass handed to him, but he had a good bit of difficulty.

Chief was also completely fresh, rested, and that was his... second fight of the day I believe. First close quarters fight of the day.


In any case, I've got more examples :P.

  • 09.07.2011 3:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor.


Well, that's total bull crap on the author's part in terms of Master Chief's capability.
Under what circumstances was Chief in when that happened?

He and Blue Team just got off the Pillar of Autumn while Red Team flew down towards Reach. They lost James in space, but once on-board Gamma, they encountered light Covie resistance.

Seriously, Chief getting his ass handed to him isn't a concept found in The Fall of reach, it's in pretty much every Halo book.


Maybe not got his ass handed to him, but he had a good bit of difficulty.

Chief was also completely fresh, rested, and that was his... second fight of the day I believe. First close quarters fight of the day.


I'm not faulting you or anything, DaeFaron, merely making an observation. I personally wouldn't use the fight on Gamma Station against the Elite because the whole context of that fight has been changed by the Elites having been present through the war. Part of the difficulty John was having in that fight when the book first came out, and before first contact with the Elites was retconned, that was his first time fighting an Elite, he wouldn't really have any previous encounters or information to go on to formulate a good strategy to fight the Elite at maximum efficiency. So yeah, because it's not really John's first fight with an Elite anymore I'm not so sure that it should be taken completely at face value. And IIRC, didn't the Elite have a slight element of surprise? That'll also change things up a great deal.

  • 09.07.2011 4:32 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor.


Well, that's total bull crap on the author's part in terms of Master Chief's capability.
Under what circumstances was Chief in when that happened?

He and Blue Team just got off the Pillar of Autumn while Red Team flew down towards Reach. They lost James in space, but once on-board Gamma, they encountered light Covie resistance.

Seriously, Chief getting his ass handed to him isn't a concept found in The Fall of reach, it's in pretty much every Halo book.


Maybe not got his ass handed to him, but he had a good bit of difficulty.

Chief was also completely fresh, rested, and that was his... second fight of the day I believe. First close quarters fight of the day.


I'm not faulting you or anything, DaeFaron, merely making an observation. I personally wouldn't use the fight on Gamma Station against the Elite because the whole context of that fight has been changed by the Elites having been present through the war. Part of the difficulty John was having in that fight when the book first came out, and before first contact with the Elites was retconned, that was his first time fighting an Elite, he wouldn't really have any previous encounters or information to go on to formulate a good strategy to fight the Elite at maximum efficiency. So yeah, because it's not really John's first fight with an Elite anymore I'm not so sure that it should be taken completely at face value. And IIRC, didn't the Elite have a slight element of surprise? That'll also change things up a great deal.


Still, Chief knows a whole lot better than to be overpowered like that. It's like the author completely trashed John's backstory, training, and augmentations for the sake of making the Covenant seem scary.
Covenant engagements on the ground are so overrated.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 4:43 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 4:40 PM PDT