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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team

@accordingto343

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Still, Chief knows a whole lot better than to be overpowered like that. It's like the author completely trashed John's backstory, training, and augmentations for the sake of making the Covenant seem scary.


Yeah, making Chief make a human mistake, terrible writing.

  • 09.07.2011 4:42 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Still, Chief knows a whole lot better than to be overpowered like that. It's like the author completely trashed John's backstory, training, and augmentations for the sake of making the Covenant seem scary.


Yeah, making Chief make a human mistake, terrible writing.


Thanks for that. His augmentations increased his reaction time, awareness, and intelligence, not to mention muscle mass and strength. It all goes into the trash can when the story needs a little bit of fake suspense. It's an insult.

Have the damn Elite be a Spec Ops or an Ultra. Not a minor, because that makes it a pure lie.

[Edited on 09.08.2011 2:43 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 4:45 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Still, Chief knows a whole lot better than to be overpowered like that. It's like the author completely trashed John's backstory, training, and augmentations for the sake of making the Covenant seem scary.


Yeah, making Chief make a human mistake, terrible writing.


Thank you for supporting my point. His augmentations increased his reaction time and intelligence, not mention muscle mass and strength. It all goes into the trash can when the story needs a little bit of fake suspense. It's an insult.


It's sarcasm. Even with the augmentations and hardcore military drilling, you can never remove the human part of being human. Fear is a powerful emotion.

  • 09.07.2011 4:47 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Still, Chief knows a whole lot better than to be overpowered like that. It's like the author completely trashed John's backstory, training, and augmentations for the sake of making the Covenant seem scary.


Yeah, making Chief make a human mistake, terrible writing.


Thank you for supporting my point. His augmentations increased his reaction time and intelligence, not mention muscle mass and strength. It all goes into the trash can when the story needs a little bit of fake suspense. It's an insult.


It's sarcasm.


Right over your head.

Even with the augmentations and hardcore military drilling, you can never remove the human part of being human. Fear is a powerful emotion.

Oh, so I'm supposed to believe that for this moment in particular, Chief slips up for the sake of drama? Bull. Crap.

He's trained to be prepared for anything. But apparently at the moment, Chief was thinking about chocolate doughnuts on a high-priority mission.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 4:51 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 4:49 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Well, you don't know the full context. James is gone, Linda is technically clinically dead and now you have this giant Elite coming towards you. John still manages to win, but it wasn't easy.

  • 09.07.2011 4:51 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Well, you don't know the full context. James is gone, Linda is technically clinically dead and now you have this giant Elite coming towards you. John still manages to win, but it wasn't easy.


Actually, that's before Linda got shot. Before he even got inside the hanger IIRC.

Oh, and to ruby, IIRC, Chief knew the Elite was there. He was waiting for it to pass.

  • 09.07.2011 4:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Well, you don't know the full context. James is gone, Linda is technically clinically dead and now you have this giant Elite coming towards you. John still manages to win, but it wasn't easy.


Actually, that's before Linda got shot. Before he even got inside the hanger IIRC.

Oh, and to ruby, IIRC, Chief knew the Elite was there. He was waiting for it to pass.


My mistake then. The loss of James though probably didn't help matters though.

  • 09.07.2011 4:54 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MasterSin
The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!


So that means Master Chief can do anything and everybody who died in the war and one Reach just sucks right?

Including most of his fellow Spartan II's.


Nope, it means he found a way to survive and continue the fight, Noble Team are Spartans indeed, but like Master Chief and most of the Spartans II, they've been fighting since the beginning of the UNSC - Covenant war, and lasted longer, the Chief knows how to fight and survive.

You can clearly see that some of the Noble team members are way too afected by the loss of their teammates, and end up killing themselfs protecting their last live members (Noble 1 was clearly affected by Kat's death) and the Chief witnessed more friends die along the years and still did not allowed himself to suffer, but focus on surviving to kill more covies and avenge his fallen brothers and sisters.

Or atleast that's how I see it.


Does not being able to feel for his fallen soldier make him a better soldier? No, it just means he is more efficient and more devoid of his humanity, which makes what he is fighting for null and void, and thus, makes him the inferior denominator.

  • 09.08.2011 8:22 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: MasterSin
You can clearly see that some of the Noble team members are way too afected by the loss of their teammates, and end up killing themselfs protecting their last live members (Noble 1 was clearly affected by Kat's death) and the Chief witnessed more friends die along the years and still did not allowed himself to suffer, but focus on surviving to kill more covies and avenge his fallen brothers and sisters.

Or atleast that's how I see it.


You do realize Noble Six was carrying an important fragment of Cortana containing high-level information that would aid in the discovery of Halo. And that Six and Emile were pinned down by a Scarab. And that Carter was bleeding profusely. And his Pelican was on fire.

He didn't just sacrifice his life because he wanted the rest of Noble to survive, anyone would want them to, but because it was vital to the mission that they do.

  • 09.08.2011 8:27 PM PDT

"I kill the enemy but do not hate them."-Jun


Posted by: SneakerheadSwag
But yeah, the Chief is better. Noble Team didn't really seem like what I had imagined Spartans to be. The Chief seems to fit that role perfectly, whereas Noble Team seems to be a group of outcasts and people with issues, especially Emile

Lol

  • 09.08.2011 8:38 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MasterSin
The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!


So that means Master Chief can do anything and everybody who died in the war and one Reach just sucks right?

Including most of his fellow Spartan II's.


Nope, it means he found a way to survive and continue the fight, Noble Team are Spartans indeed, but like Master Chief and most of the Spartans II, they've been fighting since the beginning of the UNSC - Covenant war, and lasted longer, the Chief knows how to fight and survive.

You can clearly see that some of the Noble team members are way too afected by the loss of their teammates, and end up killing themselfs protecting their last live members (Noble 1 was clearly affected by Kat's death) and the Chief witnessed more friends die along the years and still did not allowed himself to suffer, but focus on surviving to kill more covies and avenge his fallen brothers and sisters.

Or atleast that's how I see it.


Does not being able to feel for his fallen soldier make him a better soldier? No, it just means he is more efficient and more devoid of his humanity, which makes what he is fighting for null and void, and thus, makes him the inferior denominator.


Or as people may call it, a tool of the government.

  • 09.08.2011 9:25 PM PDT

The master chief has something the other spartans didnt... luck lololololololol

  • 09.08.2011 9:27 PM PDT

"I'm afraid of the man I'll become if I lay my life down for the people I don't even care for"

MC would win with a fork.

  • 09.08.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: MasterSin
The Master Chief is still alive and kicking, Noble Team? Glassed!


So that means Master Chief can do anything and everybody who died in the war and one Reach just sucks right?

Including most of his fellow Spartan II's.


Nope, it means he found a way to survive and continue the fight, Noble Team are Spartans indeed, but like Master Chief and most of the Spartans II, they've been fighting since the beginning of the UNSC - Covenant war, and lasted longer, the Chief knows how to fight and survive.

You can clearly see that some of the Noble team members are way too afected by the loss of their teammates, and end up killing themselfs protecting their last live members (Noble 1 was clearly affected by Kat's death) and the Chief witnessed more friends die along the years and still did not allowed himself to suffer, but focus on surviving to kill more covies and avenge his fallen brothers and sisters.

Or atleast that's how I see it.


Does not being able to feel for his fallen soldier make him a better soldier? No, it just means he is more efficient and more devoid of his humanity, which makes what he is fighting for null and void, and thus, makes him the inferior denominator.


Or as people may call it, a tool of the government.


That's what he and his crew remind me of, Noble Team reminds me of my friends and the people I have grown up around and to respect.

  • 09.08.2011 11:57 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Want to know why Chief survived Reach? He didn't fight on the planet. He fought on Gamma Station against a very small Covenant force and got the crap kicked out of him by a single Elite Minor. Though he won, it shows he isn't a god.

And seriously, it's six guns pointed at one gun, you would have to be blinded by pure fanboyism to think that could go either way.


You're right, 6v1 Chief would probably loose. Fairer fight if it was 1v1. This topic was pretty much decided the second you actually think about it logically the idea of 6 Spartans against 1 leaves an obvious answer.


You assume the majority of the Halo fanbase uses logic.


Lol, my bad! I will no longer assume that the majority of the Halo fanbase actually apply logic to these discussions. I just hope we can hear solid evidence and discussions without Fanboys stinking up the place. Either way, I still stand by what I said (All blind fanboyism aside obviously, I was trying to be unbias in how I laid out my view)

  • 09.09.2011 2:58 AM PDT

The Master Chief has better armour then noble team and he is genuinely stronger as he is a Spartan II.

Noble Team only has numbers.


Winner: The Mc

  • 09.09.2011 3:15 AM PDT


Posted by: RefluentBasher1
The Master Chief has better armour then noble team and he is genuinely stronger as he is a Spartan II.

Noble Team only has numbers.


Winner: The Mc


I'm pretty confident that during the time frame of the game Halo:Reach, both Noble team and John wore MJOLNIR Mk V armour. This mean Chief did NOT have better armour during the time frame in which John and Noble team could possibly verse each other in.

I agree John is stronger and with his many years of experience could probably take all of Noble team...ONE at a time but not one after the other because he may get weaker over the duration of fight after fight and loose focus.

But Noble teams only strength is that they have numbers? Well that is true and because of that fact alone all of Noble team Vs John would result in John probably dying. Use logic my dear boy. Also just to let you know Noble team ALSO have a SPARTAN-II in their numbers so this probably aids Noble teams victory.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 3:53 AM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 3:39 AM PDT


Posted by: RefluentBasher1
The Master Chief has better armour then noble team and he is genuinely stronger as he is a Spartan II.

Noble Team only has numbers.


Winner: The Mc


Mark VI isn't that much better than the Mark V, Chief using it wouldn't make much difference. And actually Noble Team are just as good as Chief, if the various members of Noble had been born earlier or the Spartan II project had been continued then they would have been either in the program or candidates for it.

So think about it, Master Chief versus six guys who are exactly the same as the SIIs, one of which is completely equal to Chief in almost every way (Noble Six), how do you think this is going to go down? Chief is going to lose.

  • 09.09.2011 9:03 AM PDT

MC = spartan II

Noble= 1 Spartan II
5 Spartan III

Noble will win over and over

  • 09.09.2011 10:20 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

This thread sets the bar on idiocy. Some of the responses are shameful.

Too many people are trusting in blindly in the Master Chief, like if he was a God or something.

  • 09.09.2011 11:09 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RefluentBasher1
The Master Chief has better armour then noble team and he is genuinely stronger as he is a Spartan II.

Noble Team only has numbers.


Winner: The Mc


Mark VI isn't that much better than the Mark V, Chief using it wouldn't make much difference. And actually Noble Team are just as good as Chief, if the various members of Noble had been born earlier or the Spartan II project had been continued then they would have been either in the program or candidates for it.

So think about it, Master Chief versus six guys who are exactly the same as the SIIs, one of which is completely equal to Chief in almost every way (Noble Six), how do you think this is going to go down? Chief is going to lose.


What the hell is this? It's never stated that ANY of Noble team have anywhere NEAR the genes required for the SPARTAN-II prgoram so this is purely assumption. On top of that Noble 6 is NOT eaqual to a SPARTAN-II at all. Noble 6 was given S-III augmentations whereas John was given S-II augmentations, which by the way include and extra augmentation making him taller and stronger then a S-III.

I understand he is a deadly and a very strong Spartan but I'm getting sick of reading about how much of an eaqual he was to a S-II. The plain and simple fact is he is a S-III no more, no less. Sure this is highly close to a S-II but it is NOT a S-II. The only person in Noble team close to John is Jorge and that is because he is actually a S-II. End of discussion regarding what you just said.

Just one more thing, Mk VI was quite a bit better then Mk V actually. Not enough to make a difference in a fight against 6 other Spartans but I just feel like pointing it out. If you don't trust me then read up on all of the armor marks in this link.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 12:11 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 11:54 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RefluentBasher1
The Master Chief has better armour then noble team and he is genuinely stronger as he is a Spartan II.

Noble Team only has numbers.


Winner: The Mc


Mark VI isn't that much better than the Mark V, Chief using it wouldn't make much difference. And actually Noble Team are just as good as Chief, if the various members of Noble had been born earlier or the Spartan II project had been continued then they would have been either in the program or candidates for it.

So think about it, Master Chief versus six guys who are exactly the same as the SIIs, one of which is completely equal to Chief in almost every way (Noble Six), how do you think this is going to go down? Chief is going to lose.


What the hell is this? It's never stated that ANY of Noble team have anywhere NEAR the genes required for the SPARTAN-II prgoram so this is purely assumption. On top of that Noble 6 is NOT eaqual to a SPARTAN-II at all. Noble 6 was given S-III augmentations whereas John was given S-II augmentations, which by the way include and extra augmentation making him taller and stronger then a S-III.

I understand he is a deadly and a very strong Spartan but I'm getting sick of reading about how much of an eaqual he was to a S-II. The plain and simple fact is he is a S-III no more, no less. Sure this is highly close to a S-II but it is NOT a S-II. The only person in Noble team close to John is Jorge and that is because he is actually a S-II. End of discussion regarding what you just said.

Just one more thing, Mk VI was quite a bit better then Mk V actually. Not enough to make a difference in a fight against 6 other Spartans but I just feel like pointing it out. If you don't trust me then read up on all of the armor marks in this link.


Kurt stated that the members of Noble Team would have joined the Spartan II program had they been around when it began or if it had continued by 2530-ish.

  • 09.09.2011 12:21 PM PDT

Snake is correct, in the letter it's basically outright pointed out teams like Noble are formed from Spartan 3's with the S2 genes.

Course, it's NEVER said how wider the restrictions are. Nor does ANYBODY say how 'inferior' S3's are to an S2. You all leave it vague and make it sound far worse.

  • 09.09.2011 12:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Snake is correct, in the letter it's basically outright pointed out teams like Noble are formed from Spartan 3's with the S2 genes.

Course, it's NEVER said how wider the restrictions are. Nor does ANYBODY say how 'inferior' S3's are to an S2. You all leave it vague and make it sound far worse.


This Kurt talking about Noble team must be recent. I've never heard about it before. Still the point remains they do have one less augmentations and we may not know the extent of difference this augmentation causes but as far as I'm aware it alters strength and how tall you are. So at the very least a S-II is still physically stronger as well as taller. Let's not forget they have many more years worth of experience in regards to fighting the Covenant. Now you may argue experience is not a main factor but in my opinion experience is a huge factor when it comes to fighting and to say it isn't is not very logical.

I'd take an experienced fighter that has been fighting the whole duration of the war over someone with less experience and less years of duty fighting the Covenant. This is my opinion so take it how you will but that's what I think.

But just to make it clear, in this particular discussion I am siding with Noble team.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 1:23 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 1:12 PM PDT

>>ALERT<<

Class 1337 "noob sauce" inbound; Troll units cleared to engage.

... Well.

From the position of "whom I like better", Chief.

From the position of "whom will win in a fight", Noble Team. As a whole, anyway; individually, I think only Jorge (if he ditches the gun) and Six might stand a chance against Chief.

From the position of "whom is more significant in the universe", technically Chief only because it seems like we're using alot of material from the book here, and Halo: Reach kinda conflicts with The Fall of Reach and the like. Otherwise, they're both just as significant.

  • 09.09.2011 1:31 PM PDT