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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I love how people keep bringing in the Thyroid implant to the argument, if the implant is so helpful, then how come Noble Team (who doesn't have it, because the III's didn't need them) is just 10 centimeters smaller than John? or how about Holly,a mere 12 year old with SPI armor, keeping up with Kelly who was 41 and wearing her MJOLNIR Mark V armor in a hand to hand fight?

  • 09.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I love how people keep bringing in the Thyroid implant to the argument, if the implant is so helpful, then how come Noble Team (who doesn't have it, because the III's didn't need them) is just 10 centimeters smaller than John? or how about Holly,a mere 12 year old with SPI armor, keeping up with Kelly who was 41 and wearing her MJOLNIR Mark V armor in a hand to hand fight?


Or that being taller somehow makes you stronger/better by default.

If we use a fantasy example, Dwarves are typically a very strong race, but are a good bit shorter then a human.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 3:09 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 3:08 PM PDT

master chief is better, not only has he not died but he stopped the flood (might not know this but the flood was gonna pretty much destroy the universe and it would be flood everywhere), he went into a a covy cruiser saved marines and escaped, got through armies of covy and killed prophets. captured the index though there was an endless amount of flood. and saved earth. and survived two halo ring's blowing up.

noble team pretty much delivered cortana. and planet reach was destroyed. also noble team is more specialized with one type of combat while master chief is specialized with every weapon.

noble team did nothing like what chief did, only thing that is close is delivering cortana which Halsey coulda done (in the cut scene they didn't go back to oni, making anoter way out, so she just needed to ready cortana and run to the pelican, and im pretty sure if halsey called keyes that cortana is ready he would send in an army of pelicans to protect her because that was their only hope) also noble team never even encountered the flood.


[Edited on 09.09.2011 3:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 3:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I love how people keep bringing in the Thyroid implant to the argument, if the implant is so helpful, then how come Noble Team (who doesn't have it, because the III's didn't need them) is just 10 centimeters smaller than John? or how about Holly,a mere 12 year old with SPI armor, keeping up with Kelly who was 41 and wearing her MJOLNIR Mark V armor in a hand to hand fight?


Or that being taller somehow makes you stronger/better by default.

If we use a fantasy example, Dwarves are typically a very strong race, but are a good bit shorter then a human.


I like the fact that you try to underplay this augmentation by simply saying it's down to how tall it makes you. It also increases muscle mass, which I'm sure you are aware means having bigger muscles and therefor more strength. Fact is fact. S-III's don't have better augmentations but the same EXCEPT! One augmentation that S-II's have. This means they are not eaquals to S-II's as people keep bringing up. I'm sure a S-III could keep up with a S-II because the augmentations are ALMOST the same, that was never my point. The point is they are not S-II's and in an ideal world were logic actually matters then having more experience and slight extra aid by an extra augmentation means something.

Also if you're going to bring Holly into this (RKOSNAKE) then please note she ALSO has an extra augmentation that no other S-III's recieve. She was part of Gamma company, which ment she was in the only company of S-III's that under went extra augementations which enhances aggression, strength, endurance, and tolerance to injury. Although it has a downside... it has to be kept in check by the antipsychotic and bipolar-integration drugs. This is (if you think about it) eaqual to the Thyroid implant that S-II's recieve, in fact better because it increases their endurance aswell as strength. So the only thing I will agree with you is that S-III Gamma company were eaquals (if not superior) with S-II's...in augmentation wise, they still lack experience. But the rest of S-III's still lack the Thyroid implant which increases STRENGTH aswell as height.

As for Holly and Kelly. I think I remember that, not sure but thinking about it I can say that it makes little to no sense. MJOLNIR > SPI. No matter if they were eaqual or not doesn't MJOLNIR boost strength and speed by Synching with the user? If this is the case how does SPI even last more then 5 seconds against ANYONE in MJOLNIR. S-III or S-II. Obviously I'm looking for answers here so if you can then please do exaplain...as I said I don't remember a majority of the books, read them so long ago.

EDIT: Also as for the Dwarf refrence, I have read many fantasies where Dwarfs are said to be stronger then Humans so I would assume this is why they are decent, strong fighting race. Being able to wield classic giant dwarf axes to slay their enemies.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 5:57 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 5:07 PM PDT

Sometimes I play Halo alllllll.....day
Sometimes I feel like a Hamburger.
Difference?
NONE AT ALL NOOB!


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Eraclio
Master Chief didn't die.

He very nearly did, numerous times, after making stupid mistakes. To me, that is insulting to the Spartans who didn't and still died.


Noble 6 Took on a covenant corvette, in my opinion that's near suicide, Yet seeing as how the UNSC ALWAYS has to win, they somehow overpower elites as deadly as five Noble teams and than destroy a COVENANT SUPERCARRIER!
That, if saying the Halo franchise was real, Humanity would be totally wiped out before we even made a stand.
They have better Military Power.
They have more troops.
They have giant freakin ships that blow the -blam!- out of a planet.
Spartan's would die as easy as any other human, Chief and N6 would both die in the first fight they BOTH have suicidal tendencies and that would get them both killed and the Covenant would just step over them and continue killing and pillaging.

  • 09.09.2011 5:19 PM PDT

Believe. Bungie.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: SneakerheadSwag

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Had Master Chief been in any of Noble Team's shoes, he would've dropped faster than a red shirt character in Star Trek. Noble Six, had she had an opportunity to go to Alpha Halo, would've outperformed Chief any day of the week.


How so?


Chief: He makes numerous, near deadly mistakes in Halo lore ranging from lack of situational awareness, being overpowered by superior foes, and failing to heed the advice of his team.

Six: Six is a lone wolf who single handily wiped away rebel and milita groups, something Chief never did with the aid of his team. She would be much better suited for the lonely nature of Halo.


I feel like right there you just gave MC the disadvantage of going up against superior foes but then when sheding light on what Noble 6 fought you said militia. Now i like Noble 6 but i fail to see how he can be better or even come close.

He dies fighting a bunch of low class elites if i remember from the cutscene. Chief numerously fights elites of that rank, wins, then as his story progresses he fights even stronger elites, wins, then loses to i blieve the next rank elite.

Spartan III are much smalled in comparison which i think gives an advantage against damage to the chief. As well as better augmented strength and Jack of All Trades attribute. Both seem to be awesome Lone Wolf but i refues to give Noble 6 the edge cus he died where MC would have lived and has.

Edit: ^^^^^^^ Guy above forgot this was fiction and that the human spirit will never die.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 6:02 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 6:00 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: ProHOTSHOT
He dies fighting a bunch of low class elites if i remember from the cutscene. Chief numerously fights elites of that rank, wins, then as his story progresses he fights even stronger elites, wins, then loses to i blieve the next rank elite.


You consider Ultra's, Zealots, and Generals low ranking Elites?

  • 09.09.2011 6:04 PM PDT

Believe. Bungie.

I just rewatched a videoof his death and all of the elites on the battlefield are grunts. Then as he gets to low health a general, zealot, and ultra come out of thin air to make his death look cool because he died from the the best elites. If you wanna get technical then take that into account. The fact that a -blam!- ton of grunts got him then two hyper class elites poof into the cutscene. Ill admit that in the situation he would have died no matter because of sheer number but to say he was fighting high ranks the entire time is to not go with what you see.

Edit: I just read a post a few above giving damn good reason to why MAster Chief is better or at least why Six is inferior. At least he remembers the books better than i do.Superion...

[Edited on 09.09.2011 6:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 6:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ProHOTSHOT
He dies fighting a bunch of low class elites if i remember from the cutscene. Chief numerously fights elites of that rank, wins, then as his story progresses he fights even stronger elites, wins, then loses to i blieve the next rank elite.


You consider Ultra's, Zealots, and Generals low ranking Elites?


His death scene was so stupid. I have never read nor seen ANY meterial that suggests you can take out a Zealot class Elite's shield in less then half an Assault rifle clip.

You previously mentioned John barely managing with an Elite minor in one of the books but Noble 6 can kill a good 3 high ranking elites using his fist (whilst weak and dying) a pistol and around half an assault rifle clip. It is outlandish and retarded. Sure he died but he took a load with him in mere seconds, I refuse to just accept how silly that cut-scene is.

You could probably flood me with evidence to reasons why the Elites died so damn easy and quick but I will probably not budge on how overplayed and over emphasised I think that scene is.

[Edited on 09.09.2011 6:46 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 6:41 PM PDT

hes a spartan 2...nobles spartan 3s and one spartan 2. spartan 2s are stronger than spartan 3s

  • 09.09.2011 7:14 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ProHOTSHOT
He dies fighting a bunch of low class elites if i remember from the cutscene. Chief numerously fights elites of that rank, wins, then as his story progresses he fights even stronger elites, wins, then loses to i blieve the next rank elite.


You consider Ultra's, Zealots, and Generals low ranking Elites?


His death scene was so stupid. I have never read nor seen ANY meterial that suggests you can take out a Zealot class Elite's shield in less then half an Assault rifle clip.

You previously mentioned John barely managing with an Elite minor in one of the books but Noble 6 can kill a good 3 high ranking elites using his fist (whilst weak and dying) a pistol and around half an assault rifle clip. It is outlandish and retarded. Sure he died but he took a load with him in mere seconds, I refuse to just accept how silly that cut-scene is.

You could probably flood me with evidence to reasons why the Elites died so damn easy and quick but I will probably not budge on how overplayed and over emphasised I think that scene is.


If that's how you see it, I can't stop you. I get your point nonetheless. I'd just chalk it up to ONI making her death seem more "heroic".

[Edited on 09.09.2011 7:30 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2011 7:30 PM PDT

Noble Team, collectively, is a superior entity to Master Chief.

  • 09.10.2011 12:56 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ProHOTSHOT
He dies fighting a bunch of low class elites if i remember from the cutscene. Chief numerously fights elites of that rank, wins, then as his story progresses he fights even stronger elites, wins, then loses to i blieve the next rank elite.


You consider Ultra's, Zealots, and Generals low ranking Elites?


His death scene was so stupid. I have never read nor seen ANY meterial that suggests you can take out a Zealot class Elite's shield in less then half an Assault rifle clip.

You previously mentioned John barely managing with an Elite minor in one of the books but Noble 6 can kill a good 3 high ranking elites using his fist (whilst weak and dying) a pistol and around half an assault rifle clip. It is outlandish and retarded. Sure he died but he took a load with him in mere seconds, I refuse to just accept how silly that cut-scene is.

You could probably flood me with evidence to reasons why the Elites died so damn easy and quick but I will probably not budge on how overplayed and over emphasised I think that scene is.


If that's how you see it, I can't stop you. I get your point nonetheless. I'd just chalk it up to ONI making her death seem more "heroic".


Yeah I see what you mean, it was slightly too much though. I can see why you would think it was just trying to make her death seem heroic and I agree with that.

[Edited on 09.10.2011 2:39 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2011 2:37 AM PDT
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  • Exalted Legendary Member

ZomG, for those people wanting to know everything, this is not my Main tag anymore, (McCrash IS for Posting on B.net)

Original XbL Gamertag, zeDutchKreatiVz, as you guessed, Im Dutch/from Holland/Amsterdam.

...Also wTf happened to Halo.......*sighs*

lol only read the first page, but im just gonna go with,

He isn't Called MASTER CHIEF for nothing.
MC Hands Down

  • 09.10.2011 4:48 AM PDT
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  • Exalted Legendary Member

ZomG, for those people wanting to know everything, this is not my Main tag anymore, (McCrash IS for Posting on B.net)

Original XbL Gamertag, zeDutchKreatiVz, as you guessed, Im Dutch/from Holland/Amsterdam.

...Also wTf happened to Halo.......*sighs*

and LOL to all people, PLAY All Halos WITH Spartans, so not ODST, ON LEGENDARY, and you tell me which is the hardest.
And Yes, It would be LEgendary in REAL LIFE!!

  • 09.10.2011 4:50 AM PDT
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  • Exalted Legendary Member

ZomG, for those people wanting to know everything, this is not my Main tag anymore, (McCrash IS for Posting on B.net)

Original XbL Gamertag, zeDutchKreatiVz, as you guessed, Im Dutch/from Holland/Amsterdam.

...Also wTf happened to Halo.......*sighs*

OwhYeaH, I got another one for you people.

Both Hyper LEthal Vectors Chief AND Six, agaisnt the REST of Noble Team....
..
.
Who would win?

(NO ARMOR LOCK pags!)

  • 09.10.2011 4:58 AM PDT

Noble team


just sayin, Six is already a handful for chief, then add a dude with a shotty, a master marksman, a heavy machine gunner, and another two who acts more like support units.

alot of them have more than enough firepower to kill chief a few times over. That and Cheif's outnumbered.

[Edited on 09.10.2011 6:23 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2011 6:22 AM PDT

Don't drink and drive... You'll spill your drink.

If Master Chief chose not to do all that crazy insane stuff he would not be alive right now, you seem to be forgetting he has one thing... Luck

  • 09.10.2011 7:10 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: McCrash
lol only read the first page, but im just gonna go with,

He isn't Called MASTER CHIEF for nothing.
MC Hands Down


Really? Are you honestly being serious about this?

Master Chief is a rank, not even that good of a rank to be honest, every member of Noble Team can outrank him actually.

So yeah, you're going to need a better reason apart from "He iz da Master chiefz!"

  • 09.10.2011 7:48 AM PDT

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO MASTER CHEIF HE HAS LIVED 3 GAMES NOBLE TEAM LIVED 1 SO DON'T GO THERE PUNK. (you can't especially because he fought the flood and did the noble team do it ... no ...no they didn't

  • 09.10.2011 2:23 PM PDT

TOTALLY AGREE :)
... WITH THAT 1 GUY WHO SAID MC HANDS DOWN OF COURSE


[Edited on 09.10.2011 2:25 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2011 2:25 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

This thread gives me headache with all the idiocy.

I dont know why I keep comming back here...

  • 09.10.2011 2:33 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: PANTSonFIRE3000
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO MASTER CHEIF HE HAS LIVED 3 GAMES NOBLE TEAM LIVED 1 SO DON'T GO THERE PUNK. (you can't especially because he fought the flood and did the noble team do it ... no ...no they didn't


Cause yeah, living longer is obviously being better, does that means that Jar Jar Binks is better than Obi Wan?

  • 09.10.2011 2:37 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: PANTSonFIRE3000
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO MASTER CHEIF HE HAS LIVED 3 GAMES NOBLE TEAM LIVED 1 SO DON'T GO THERE PUNK. (you can't especially because he fought the flood and did the noble team do it ... no ...no they didn't


Cause yeah, living longer is obviously being better, does that means that Jar Jar Binks is better than Obi Wan?


Or Qui-gon.

Anyway, I guess somebody yelled "Let loose the chief fanboys!"

  • 09.10.2011 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
This thread gives me headache with all the idiocy.

I dont know why I keep comming back here...
I know that feeling. Thanks to all those "intelligent" arguments of people defending Reach campaign, I'm not even sure if it's worth posting in here anymore.

  • 09.10.2011 5:29 PM PDT