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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team
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Master Chief, also known by John 117 is the last of the original Spartan-II breed and has proven himself over the other Spartan-II's in many occasions; not just as a soldier, but as a natural leader.

However Noble Team is made by soldiers which chose to risk their lives to become Spartan-III's; some of them survived and became Spartans, others were crippled and some faced death.

I think Noble Team to be *better* from a lone wolf Spartan-II; it's not their augmentations or the lack of the abilities which John 117 has; but it's their team work and how they cooperate as Spartans to complete an objective.

While a team of Spartan-II's would be definitely be more effective than Noble Team; but we are talking about a time where Spartan-II's numbers run dim.

  • 09.13.2011 1:23 AM PDT

You can all say what you think is better, who you think is better and why. From any statiscal stand point Master Cheif has 29320392390 times the experience than Noble 6/Noble team killing some rebels and slowly dying in a campaign you can litterally run through on every single map in less than 15 minutes.... If master chief was going to be overcome by rebels in some book it is because the AUTHOR put that in there to show that no one is invincible or something or some kind of lesson to always look at this and look at that and whatever, keep in mind none of this REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!!!!!!!! So stop talking like in real life he almost lost to rebels, and from a STAR WARS stand point the rebels beat the hell out of the EMPIRE. It is statiscally proven that rebels find different ways of attacking/defending or doing whatever the hell their plans are... Rebels tend to be way more fanatical because they are fighting against oppresion of some form, and if they lose they die for treason anyways.

  • 09.13.2011 2:03 AM PDT

In the games John was a badass and literally mowed down anything in his path. In the books however he was given a more human feel, where he failed, faultered or just generally made mistakes. No books have been written about Noble 6 but I'm damn well sure the author would find some way to also bring him down to John's level. In the Haloverse books show John very poorly whereas in contrast he is shown to be stronger in the game (gameplay purposes) so if Noble 6 was in a book he would probably be portrayed poorly aswell. John had a few problems in a few fights (as listed in a post above) but I have yet to read anything about Noble 6 taking on the Covenant so bringing up where John has failed in the books means nothing in this discussion.

I don't see how anyone can play as Noble 6 in one single game and suddenly take such a shine to him that they defend him to the death and dismiss any claim against him (augmentations). Just becuse Halsey was talking crap ("Made entire militia groups dissapear") in the trailer people use it as back-up constantly to how awesome he is. In case anyone noticed she also said "As a Sniper his skills are un-matched" about Jun...I doubt this as Linda is probably a better sniper. So you can't really rely on what she says in a trailer because it's all so vague. Still, I'm not dismissing that N6 didn't do these things, I'm just trying to say how vague this info is on these missions where Noble 6 apparently did so well. As far as we're aware Noble 6 hasn't had much Covenant experience either. Militia group =/= Covenant soldiers.

[Edited on 09.13.2011 6:35 AM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 3:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

In a single 1v1 fight, a Spartan II would win, no doubt.

In a straight up squad vs squad fight, it would be pretty equal. Spartan III's had teamwork more drilled into them than in the Spartan II's, but nonetheless, the fight would be every equal.

But I'd probably still go with Blue Team.

  • 09.13.2011 10:44 AM PDT
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simple mc has cortana that gives him an egde otherwise he is same.

  • 09.13.2011 11:06 AM PDT

Ad Infinitum

It's 6 Spartans against 1 Spartan. It doesn't matter if 5 of those 6 are S-III's. If you're going to a boxing match, and there are (somehow) six fighters against one fighter, who are you going to bet on? Simple freaking math, get over it MC fanboys.

  • 09.13.2011 12:05 PM PDT


Posted by: rookie520
I personally think Master Chief is better cause he hasn't died.

  • 09.13.2011 12:06 PM PDT
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I'm not contesting the fact that NOBLE Team>Chief, but you are all elevating 6 too much and degrading Chief too much.


You have shown that Master Chief has got in some trouble less than a dozen times in a 30 year career. Must I point out(again) that those are one-time things? Are we forgetting master Chief has handled those situations/enemies with little issue many times before?

Really, bringing up the minor? First, in that book, that was his first encounter with an Elite(which has been shown otherwise). Second, throughout Halo 1 and 2, Master Chief kills dozens of minors.

Also, if you were to put NOBLE 6 in his place in almost all of those examples, he would have done just the same, most likely worse. For some reason you think killing a militia group=slaughtering Covenant armies.

[Edited on 09.13.2011 4:38 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 4:36 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
I'm not contesting the fact that NOBLE Team>Chief, but you are all elevating 6 too much and degrading Chief too much.


You have shown that Master Chief has got in some trouble less than a dozen times in a 30 year career. Must I point out(again) that those are one-time things? Are we forgetting master Chief has handled those situations/enemies with little issue many times before?

Really, bringing up the minor? First, in that book, that was his first encounter with an Elite(which has been shown otherwise). Second, throughout Halo 1 and 2, Master Chief kills dozens of minors.

Also, if you were to put NOBLE 6 in his place in almost all of those examples, he would have done just the same, most likely worse. For some reason you think killing a militia group=slaughtering Covenant armies.


For some reason you think a LONE WOLF would do worse then a TEAM LEADER in situation where the person is ALONE.

You also seem to think Chief's TEAM attacking Covenant armies = he gets all credit.

I've actually seen more people agree that Six, as a lone wolf, would most likely do better then Chief in the halo trilogy areas given the same armor/support. These are intelligent people, not retarded master chief fanboys.

To end, for some reason you think killing entire militia groups (PLURAL) and making terrorist organizations disappear (AGAIN, PLURAL) alone is less then A TEAM engaging the Covenant. Tell me how many times prior to the halo events Master Chief 'slaughtered' a Covenant army without at least two other Spartans with him? None.

  • 09.13.2011 4:56 PM PDT

It's not Hip-Hop, its Electro.... prick.

If you have to compare one man to six soldiers I think the argument is settled already.

  • 09.13.2011 4:59 PM PDT
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1) All S-IIs are trained to operate as a team and on their own. People keep spewing this lone wolf badass stuff, but you can't really back it up, can you?

2)No, I don't think he gets all the credit, but when Chief is in a team of, lets say 5, goes up against 1,000+ enemies in a head on fight, that is 200+ per person.

3)I love how little proof you assert that with. That is pure opinion and conjecture. We know very little about 6, so to say he can do better than Chief can't be taken seriously.

4)We don't know the following

1)The size of the groups
2)How many he took out
3)The training they had
4)The equipment he used
5)how much difficulty he had
6)The style in which he took them out
7)How long it took him to take each one out
8)And a multitude of other factors that could apply.

It sounds like you are following with blind faith.

Also, you say prior to the Halo events. That is like saying show me a time NOBLE 6 killed Covenant prior to the Fall of Reach.

  • 09.13.2011 5:11 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) All S-IIs are trained to operate as a team and on their own. People keep spewing this lone wolf badass stuff, but you can't really back it up, can you?

2)No, I don't think he gets all the credit, but when Chief is in a team of, lets say 5, goes up against 1,000+ enemies in a head on fight, that is 200+ per person.

3)I love how little proof you assert that with. That is pure opinion and conjecture. We know very little about 6, so to say he can do better than Chief can't be taken seriously.

4)We don't know the following
(information about groups)

It sounds like you are following with blind faith.

Also, you say prior to the Halo events. That is like saying show me a time NOBLE 6 killed Covenant prior to the Fall of Reach.


1: I frankly don't remember anything in Fall of Reach about S2's being trained to act alone. Infact, I remember very very early on they got teamwork drilled into them, John especially.

2: Bar the one encounter in the prologue of fall of Reach (Blue team vs army of grunts) I can't honestly remember ANY cases of Chief and crew taking on a massive covenant force at once and winning. edit: Even then, blue team was prepared for the grunts with tanks and make-shift cannons.

3: Again, if we take Halsey's comments about the Spartans as semi-canon, we know Six is at least as good as the chief. Add in lone wolf assassin, I'm pretty sure I can say that Six would do at least slightly better then the Chief in the halo events fighting mostly alone. He definitely wouldn't have fallen for the flanking move done at the first firefight on Halo.

4: I'd wager since they are being mentioned, it's fairly large or well equipped trained groups. If they were a bunch of farmers with old rifles, it wouldn't be worth mentioning about how skilled Six is in taking them out.

Sounds to me like you just can't stand the fact Spartan III's can be as good as Master Chief or other Spartan II's.

Also, I can say with fairly accurate canon backing that prior to the halo events, Master chief never(or VERY VERY rarely) went on a mission without other Spartans.

[Edited on 09.13.2011 5:32 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 5:30 PM PDT
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1) It was in Halo: The Flood. Master Chief realized he didn't have a team anymore and switched to "lone wolf mode" so to speak. Also, S-IIIs had more teamwork drilled into them than the S-IIs, as Kurt said they would have to use teamwork to make up for cheaper armor and being not as good as S-IIs.

2)Hmmm, I have a qoute of Joshua saying a S-II can take 500 to one odds(I'll provide the link if you want). Also, Master Chief fights countless Flood on his own. Flood are not to be reckoned with, they are physically far more powerful than any regular human(I have quotes for that too).

3)Please, she says hyper lethal vector. We don't know how they rate this or how closely they fall on said vector. And oh wow, he wouldn't have fallen for the first flanking manuever. That is less than 0.5% of the entire Halo trilogy. Way to go, you have clearly proven NOBLE 6 would've done better than Master Chief during the events of the games.

4)You still dodge the point, we have zero information on them, so you can't use it as a quantifiable feat.

5)Actually I can, but I have not seen it. I could see Tom or Lucy doing as well as S-IIs and the headhunters, but the majority of S-IIIs haven't shown any feats proving they are as good.

6)So? That doesn't change the fact that he preforms very well on his own.

  • 09.13.2011 5:42 PM PDT

Definitely Master chief. I don't see Noble Six the chief. NO. It's just Noble six so master chief is the boss.

  • 09.13.2011 6:19 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: CodyDarnal
Definitely Master chief. I don't see Noble Six the chief. NO. It's just Noble six so master chief is the boss.


Master Chief is called like that because of his rank, it'd be stupid to call Six "Lieutenant Six", besides, Six sounds better alone.

  • 09.13.2011 6:21 PM PDT

I really don't care which one would win in a fight.
All I care about is which one had the better story leading them along...
So yeah hands down Master Chief.

  • 09.13.2011 10:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: fist of Rukt
If you have to compare one man to six soldiers I think the argument is settled already.

  • 09.13.2011 10:45 PM PDT

Driving Hogs is what I do.

Master Chief is a spartan 2, or something, which is better than the type that noble team are.

  • 09.13.2011 11:04 PM PDT

@superiorarsenal

Nice work dude.

People thinking Noble 6 is better with little, actually NO, evidence to back up their claim on Noble 6 either being better then John or out performing him. I've used Halsey as a refrence to how skilled John is in the past and it has been blindly dimissed but when other people want to use her as a refrence they call it "semi-canon".

Noble 6 have fought Huamns...in the grand scheme of the Haloverse fighting humans it pretty petty. Noble 6 has had (from what we can tell) no experience fighting the Covenant whereas John has had years worth of experience. Like it's been said in the past Human Innies =/= Covenant Soldiers. So I'm sure John would out perform N6 during the events of the trilogy. Lone wollf killing Humans =/= Lone wolf killing Flood and Covenant. Just thought I'd add that

No matter how you spin it, the Covenant are more life threatening (even the grunts) because of their tech. A few militia groups is a pretty weak example of N6 skills, especially when you know NOTHING about these militia groups. For all we know they are infact a group of farmers.

[Edited on 09.14.2011 1:08 AM PDT]

  • 09.14.2011 1:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Surperion93
@superiorarsenal

Nice work dude.

People thinking Noble 6 is better with little, actually NO, evidence to back up their claim on Noble 6 either being better then John or out performing him. I've used Halsey as a refrence to how skilled John is in the past and it has been blindly dimissed but when other people want to use her as a refrence they call it "semi-canon".

Noble 6 have fought Huamns...in the grand scheme of the Haloverse fighting humans it pretty petty. Noble 6 has had (from what we can tell) no experience fighting the Covenant whereas John has had years worth of experience. Like it's been said in the past Human Innies =/= Covenant Soldiers. So I'm sure John would out perform N6 during the events of the trilogy. Lone wollf killing Humans =/= Lone wolf killing Flood and Covenant. Just thought I'd add that

No matter how you spin it, the Covenant are more life threatening (even the grunts) because of their tech. A few militia groups is a pretty weak example of N6 skills, especially when you know NOTHING about these militia groups. For all we know they are infact a group of farmers.


Pretty petty eh? That's why the UNSC was so desperate to end the insurrection that they had to create the Spartan II project (which didn't even fulfilled its results due to the Covenant). To make this easy, John, Linda, Fred, Kelly and Sam went to an insurgent base before the war started, and while they were able to successfully infiltrate it, John was shot and suffered heavy internal bleeding due to the gunshot (So, Insurgents are not to be messed with, as you can see.)

Then there's the whole anti-gravity plate incident, I doubt some mere farmers would be intelligent enough to know that a system as complicated as the MJOLNIR's can be overloaded with a simple gravity adjustment, not to mention, most Insurgentists are also infiltrated in the UNSC military, and (some of them) use an enhancing drug that gives them super-strength for a short time before killing them (that was used to properly counteract the Spartans).

Now, saying Six has no experience fighting the Covenant whatsoever is like saying John Forge is the Master Chief. Spartan III's were made to fight the Covenant, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a Spartan III not fight the Covenant, besides, he obviously fought them before, given the fact that he recognizes a Zealot when he runs across one and not just because of the armor, but the shield strength too. Six had at least 7 years worth of experience agaisnt the Covenant (again, Spartan III's were designed to fight the Covenant) having graduated in 2545, I doubt that he was just sitting in a command post, having some tea with Ackerson while the rest of the troopers got molested by Covenant troops.

  • 09.14.2011 12:41 PM PDT


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Posted by: Surperion93
@superiorarsenal

Nice work dude.

People thinking Noble 6 is better with little, actually NO, evidence to back up their claim on Noble 6 either being better then John or out performing him. I've used Halsey as a refrence to how skilled John is in the past and it has been blindly dimissed but when other people want to use her as a refrence they call it "semi-canon".

Noble 6 have fought Huamns...in the grand scheme of the Haloverse fighting humans it pretty petty. Noble 6 has had (from what we can tell) no experience fighting the Covenant whereas John has had years worth of experience. Like it's been said in the past Human Innies =/= Covenant Soldiers. So I'm sure John would out perform N6 during the events of the trilogy. Lone wollf killing Humans =/= Lone wolf killing Flood and Covenant. Just thought I'd add that

No matter how you spin it, the Covenant are more life threatening (even the grunts) because of their tech. A few militia groups is a pretty weak example of N6 skills, especially when you know NOTHING about these militia groups. For all we know they are infact a group of farmers.


Pretty petty eh? That's why the UNSC was so desperate to end the insurrection that they had to create the Spartan II project (which didn't even fulfilled its results due to the Covenant). To make this easy, John, Linda, Fred, Kelly and Sam went to an insurgent base before the war started, and while they were able to successfully infiltrate it, John was shot and suffered heavy internal bleeding due to the gunshot (So, Insurgents are not to be messed with, as you can see.)

Then there's the whole anti-gravity plate incident, I doubt some mere farmers would be intelligent enough to know that a system as complicated as the MJOLNIR's can be overloaded with a simple gravity adjustment, not to mention, most Insurgentists are also infiltrated in the UNSC military, and (some of them) use an enhancing drug that gives them super-strength for a short time before killing them (that was used to properly counteract the Spartans).

Now, saying Six has no experience fighting the Covenant whatsoever is like saying John Forge is the Master Chief. Spartan III's were made to fight the Covenant, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a Spartan III not fight the Covenant, besides, he obviously fought them before, given the fact that he recognizes a Zealot when he runs across one and not just because of the armor, but the shield strength too. Six had at least 7 years worth of experience agaisnt the Covenant (again, Spartan III's were designed to fight the Covenant) having graduated in 2545, I doubt that he was just sitting in a command post, having some tea with Ackerson while the rest of the troopers got molested by Covenant troops.


And as I said, would they really label pathetic farmers being taken out by Six as a major thing?

Common sense says no. Six most likely faced groups on par with what Chief did, and the two encounters we have? One they didn't even ATTEMPT to clear the base, second chief stupidly ignored Kurt and walked into a trap.

I mean, come on, the guy naturally senses traps (Wasn't it said John's team could never ambush Kurt's?), and he says something is wrong. How can Chief ignore that?

  • 09.14.2011 12:47 PM PDT

MC beacuse I'm a fanboy.

  • 09.14.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Utonium
Master Chief, also known by John 117 is the last of the original Spartan-II breed


No, he's not.

Pointless correction in massive hate thread! Pitying smiles for all!

[Edited on 09.14.2011 12:53 PM PDT]

  • 09.14.2011 12:53 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Surperion93
@superiorarsenal

Nice work dude.

People thinking Noble 6 is better with little, actually NO, evidence to back up their claim on Noble 6 either being better then John or out performing him. I've used Halsey as a refrence to how skilled John is in the past and it has been blindly dimissed but when other people want to use her as a refrence they call it "semi-canon".

Noble 6 have fought Huamns...in the grand scheme of the Haloverse fighting humans it pretty petty. Noble 6 has had (from what we can tell) no experience fighting the Covenant whereas John has had years worth of experience. Like it's been said in the past Human Innies =/= Covenant Soldiers. So I'm sure John would out perform N6 during the events of the trilogy. Lone wollf killing Humans =/= Lone wolf killing Flood and Covenant. Just thought I'd add that

No matter how you spin it, the Covenant are more life threatening (even the grunts) because of their tech. A few militia groups is a pretty weak example of N6 skills, especially when you know NOTHING about these militia groups. For all we know they are infact a group of farmers.


Pretty petty eh? That's why the UNSC was so desperate to end the insurrection that they had to create the Spartan II project (which didn't even fulfilled its results due to the Covenant). To make this easy, John, Linda, Fred, Kelly and Sam went to an insurgent base before the war started, and while they were able to successfully infiltrate it, John was shot and suffered heavy internal bleeding due to the gunshot (So, Insurgents are not to be messed with, as you can see.)

Then there's the whole anti-gravity plate incident, I doubt some mere farmers would be intelligent enough to know that a system as complicated as the MJOLNIR's can be overloaded with a simple gravity adjustment, not to mention, most Insurgentists are also infiltrated in the UNSC military, and (some of them) use an enhancing drug that gives them super-strength for a short time before killing them (that was used to properly counteract the Spartans).

Now, saying Six has no experience fighting the Covenant whatsoever is like saying John Forge is the Master Chief. Spartan III's were made to fight the Covenant, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a Spartan III not fight the Covenant, besides, he obviously fought them before, given the fact that he recognizes a Zealot when he runs across one and not just because of the armor, but the shield strength too. Six had at least 7 years worth of experience agaisnt the Covenant (again, Spartan III's were designed to fight the Covenant) having graduated in 2545, I doubt that he was just sitting in a command post, having some tea with Ackerson while the rest of the troopers got molested by Covenant troops.


Because he, and none of the rest of Blue Team, had real armor on that mission. In Mjolner armor human weaponry is not really an issue, it's been stated quite a few times throughout the books that bullets have very little penetrating power against Mjolner. Fighting human forces does not really compare to fighting the Covenant.

Superion wasn't saying that all Rebel groups are nothing more than groups of unorganized farmers, he said that for all we know that might be what Six faced, which is a somewhat fair argument, it's not likely that a Spartan would be sent against just farmers, but it's still a valid argument. Saying that Six took out entire militia groups seemingly by herself automatically makes her better than Chief when we know absolutely nothing about the situations that Six eliminated them under is not a fair comparison to make. It's certainly rather impressive, but we don't have enough facts on Six's missions to state that she is any better or worse.

Now this last argument is completely fair. Six most definitely fought against and has had experience fighting Covenant forces. She would not have only been deployed against Insurrectionists, especially when, as you said, the SIIIs were pretty much created to fight the Covenant and buy the UNSC time against them.

Now, as to the subject of those grav-plates and the Innies that almost killed Blue Team because of them. I think you need to reread that section, Snake and DaeFaron, John did not ignore Kurt's warnings at all! When Kurt first mentioned his funny feeling about the whole situation he told the team to keep their eyes peeled and proceed more cautiously (not in those exact words of course). And then when Kurt flashed the red light in Chief's HUD he told the team to pull out, which was just as the rebels activated those grav-plates. And the rounds in question that the Innies were threatening the captured Blues with were something akin to shredder rounds, and they were going to use them at point blank range, otherwise it was said they are horribly inaccurate and not that effective.

Even if they were meant to work as teams and thus had a lot of team based training, I'm pretty sure that the Spartan IIs would have been taught how to work alone as well, DaeFaron. It wouldn't make sense not to teach them how to work on their own as well as in a team considering the Spartans were meant to be the ultimate warriors. They can't really be the ultimate warrior if they're not taught how to operate in all the different types of fighting and survival known to man.

  • 09.14.2011 1:40 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

As individuals?

Chief

Team vs Chief?

Noble (story wise, in game they fail HARD)

  • 09.14.2011 1:49 PM PDT