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Posted by: Surperion93
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Nice work dude.
People thinking Noble 6 is better with little, actually NO, evidence to back up their claim on Noble 6 either being better then John or out performing him. I've used Halsey as a refrence to how skilled John is in the past and it has been blindly dimissed but when other people want to use her as a refrence they call it "semi-canon".
Noble 6 have fought Huamns...in the grand scheme of the Haloverse fighting humans it pretty petty. Noble 6 has had (from what we can tell) no experience fighting the Covenant whereas John has had years worth of experience. Like it's been said in the past Human Innies =/= Covenant Soldiers. So I'm sure John would out perform N6 during the events of the trilogy. Lone wollf killing Humans =/= Lone wolf killing Flood and Covenant. Just thought I'd add that
No matter how you spin it, the Covenant are more life threatening (even the grunts) because of their tech. A few militia groups is a pretty weak example of N6 skills, especially when you know NOTHING about these militia groups. For all we know they are infact a group of farmers.
Pretty petty eh? That's why the UNSC was so desperate to end the insurrection that they had to create the Spartan II project (which didn't even fulfilled its results due to the Covenant). To make this easy, John, Linda, Fred, Kelly and Sam went to an insurgent base before the war started, and while they were able to successfully infiltrate it, John was shot and suffered heavy internal bleeding due to the gunshot (So, Insurgents are not to be messed with, as you can see.)
Then there's the whole anti-gravity plate incident, I doubt some mere farmers would be intelligent enough to know that a system as complicated as the MJOLNIR's can be overloaded with a simple gravity adjustment, not to mention, most Insurgentists are also infiltrated in the UNSC military, and (some of them) use an enhancing drug that gives them super-strength for a short time before killing them (that was used to properly counteract the Spartans).
Now, saying Six has no experience fighting the Covenant whatsoever is like saying John Forge is the Master Chief. Spartan III's were made to fight the Covenant, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a Spartan III not fight the Covenant, besides, he obviously fought them before, given the fact that he recognizes a Zealot when he runs across one and not just because of the armor, but the shield strength too. Six had at least 7 years worth of experience agaisnt the Covenant (again, Spartan III's were designed to fight the Covenant) having graduated in 2545, I doubt that he was just sitting in a command post, having some tea with Ackerson while the rest of the troopers got molested by Covenant troops.
Because he, and none of the rest of Blue Team, had real armor on that mission. In Mjolner armor human weaponry is not really an issue, it's been stated quite a few times throughout the books that bullets have very little penetrating power against Mjolner. Fighting human forces does not really compare to fighting the Covenant.
Superion wasn't saying that all Rebel groups are nothing more than groups of unorganized farmers, he said that for all we know that might be what Six faced, which is a somewhat fair argument, it's not likely that a Spartan would be sent against just farmers, but it's still a valid argument. Saying that Six took out entire militia groups seemingly by herself automatically makes her better than Chief when we know absolutely nothing about the situations that Six eliminated them under is not a fair comparison to make. It's certainly rather impressive, but we don't have enough facts on Six's missions to state that she is any better or worse.
Now this last argument is completely fair. Six most definitely fought against and has had experience fighting Covenant forces. She would not have only been deployed against Insurrectionists, especially when, as you said, the SIIIs were pretty much created to fight the Covenant and buy the UNSC time against them.
Now, as to the subject of those grav-plates and the Innies that almost killed Blue Team because of them. I think you need to reread that section, Snake and DaeFaron, John did not ignore Kurt's warnings at all! When Kurt first mentioned his funny feeling about the whole situation he told the team to keep their eyes peeled and proceed more cautiously (not in those exact words of course). And then when Kurt flashed the red light in Chief's HUD he told the team to pull out, which was just as the rebels activated those grav-plates. And the rounds in question that the Innies were threatening the captured Blues with were something akin to shredder rounds, and they were going to use them at point blank range, otherwise it was said they are horribly inaccurate and not that effective.
Even if they were meant to work as teams and thus had a lot of team based training, I'm pretty sure that the Spartan IIs would have been taught how to work alone as well, DaeFaron. It wouldn't make sense not to teach them how to work on their own as well as in a team considering the Spartans were meant to be the ultimate warriors. They can't really be the ultimate warrior if they're not taught how to operate in all the different types of fighting and survival known to man.