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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: Headhunter3015

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Had Master Chief been in any of Noble Team's shoes, he would've dropped faster than a red shirt character in Star Trek. Noble Six, had she had an opportunity to go to Alpha Halo, would've outperformed Chief any day of the week.


Impossible Noble six was a spartan 3 and would therefore is now where near as capable as a spartan 2, how ever Noble team as a whole could take Master Chief no problem considering gorge himself is a spartan 2.

Spartan 3s are not inferior. Quite the opposite really. They got the same augments, tougher training, and great teamwork. Their only inferiority is their SPI armor which Noble doesn't use.

  • 10.11.2011 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: redness7
It's not my job to explain why you have no argument. If you can't figure it out for yourself then you're past my help. The POINT of the OP is in your opinion who is better. I say Master Chief and it's not even a contest. I was introduced to the Halo universe through Halo CE. I hate to break it to you, but being introduced to Halo through the video game is how most everyone was introduced to Halo. There is nothing wrong with getting involved with the Halo books and fan fiction and all that stuff but it doesn't mean it will make its way into the games or be accurately represented and odds are it won't be. You seem to have a crippling lack of a sense of humor and you self mandated Halo canon trolling is annoying. I wish you luck in all your endeavors.


All you had to say was "I have no counter to your arguments." Would've saved you some trouble.

  • 10.11.2011 4:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Headhunter3015

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Had Master Chief been in any of Noble Team's shoes, he would've dropped faster than a red shirt character in Star Trek. Noble Six, had she had an opportunity to go to Alpha Halo, would've outperformed Chief any day of the week.


Impossible Noble six was a spartan 3 and would therefore is now where near as capable as a spartan 2, how ever Noble team as a whole could take Master Chief no problem considering gorge himself is a spartan 2.

Spartan 3s are not inferior. Quite the opposite really. They got the same augments, tougher training, and great teamwork. Their only inferiority is their SPI armor which Noble doesn't use.


Arguably better augments as they didn't require the growth hormone for the others to achieve full effect, and had no washouts.

  • 10.11.2011 4:39 PM PDT

I know kung fu...

Master Chief is better due to better equipment, better training, and more enhancements.

Spartan II is better than Spartan III, its seems backwards but its true.

  • 10.11.2011 5:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kung_Fu_Kai01
Master Chief is better due to better equipment, better training, and more enhancements.

Spartan II is better than Spartan III, its seems backwards but its true.


They have the same equipment, they have similar training and their enhancements do the same thing.

  • 10.11.2011 5:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: redness7
It's not my job to explain why you have no argument. If you can't figure it out for yourself then you're past my help. The POINT of the OP is in your opinion who is better. I say Master Chief and it's not even a contest. I was introduced to the Halo universe through Halo CE. I hate to break it to you, but being introduced to Halo through the video game is how most everyone was introduced to Halo. There is nothing wrong with getting involved with the Halo books and fan fiction and all that stuff but it doesn't mean it will make its way into the games or be accurately represented and odds are it won't be. You seem to have a crippling lack of a sense of humor and you self mandated Halo canon trolling is annoying. I wish you luck in all your endeavors.


All you had to say was "I have no counter to your arguments." Would've saved you some trouble.


How about this, your argument is invalid for so many reasons that it is an exercise in futility to list all the ways you are wrong. This is further reinforced by the fact that even if I were to spell it out for you I doubt you would be able or willing to understand the argument and have an intelligent response.

  • 10.11.2011 6:04 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
He didn't save the universe.


...Um, what? What do you call the whole first Halo Trilogy then? That's one of the whole points of Halos CE-3, saving the universe and humanity.

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
No dumbass I meant the Halo.

"not to mention all of his actions in Halo 1 were in vain, as he ended up firing the darn thing anyway,"


And how is letting 04(b) get made when no one even knew that Halo's could be remade screwing up? And no, none of Chief's actions in CE were in vain, the whole point of destroying Installation 04 was mainly to keep the Flood from spreading, firing it at the end of Halo 3 does not make destroying it a vain action, the whole reason he did fire it was because they were beyond the range of the rest of the Milky Way. It would not have been fired if there was any chance of doing so eliminating all life in the galaxy again.

Master Chief never once destroyed an entire Covenant Fleet by himself. And I didn't say all nothing, I said in vain, because, in the end, everything he does in CE was to stop Halo from being activated. What does he do in Halo 3? He activates it, the very same ring, in fact.

Um, hello, the end of CE? There were plenty of ships that got destroyed as a result of Chief blowing up the Autumn. If the detonation of the NOVA bomb above Joyous Exaltation counts as kills for Whitcomb then the detonation of Alpha Halo destroying a great deal of the Fleet of Particular Justice counts as kills for Chief.

He failed in his mission to get aboard High Charity and capture a Prophet, not only this, but he couldn't do so before it got to Earth full of Flood. So... fail on his part, double fail actually.

I'm really not getting any of what you're saying, it sounds like you're just trying to find excuses to complain about John :/
If you're referring to RED FLAG, that failing is not Chief or any other Spartans' responsibility, the UNSC High Command are the ones who called that off. And if you are referring to the mission aboard High Charity in Halo 2, he didn't have any say in whether he was sent there or not, he was sent by the Gravemind to recover the Index, and even then the Gravemind didn't know whether it was there or at the Control Room already. And when was his goal ever stated to be stopping High Charity from leaving Delta Halo after the Flood hijacked it? And how is it getting to Earth a fail on Chief's part? The Elites were the ones who slipped up there.

Oh, triple fail, my bad.

Again...um?

At the end of Halo 3 it is stated that 23 billion people lost their lives, and my source for that is Halo: Evolutions, "Palace Hotel", page 351. I guess we can constitute that an epic fail.

And there are at least several billion people still left, I'd hardly call that on the brink of extinction considering we only number at about 6 billion people now. And why the hell are you ascribing everything to Chief? One man can only do so much, and only so much at one time. He is not a physical god that can be everywhere at once and do everything at once...at least he's not yet anyway.

  • 10.11.2011 7:38 PM PDT

Since the noble team happened before master chief's adventure, they had less training.

What i am saying is the UNSC had more time to improve and learn from their mistakes because reach happened before halo CE; (even though Noble Team had more advanced stuff like the target locator)

also note that chief is starting his 4th game and still hasn't died....

over all chief is better.

  • 10.11.2011 8:11 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: jeeeffry
Since the noble team happened before master chief's adventure, they had less training.

What i am saying is the UNSC had more time to improve and learn from their mistakes because reach happened before halo CE; (even though Noble Team had more advanced stuff like the target locator)

also note that chief is starting his 4th game and still hasn't died....

over all chief is better.


So, the UNSC was able to improve in 2 weeks? really good logic bro.

  • 10.11.2011 8:13 PM PDT
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"Chief cannot however, pull a drastic explosion out of his ass whenever he feels like it."

Never said he could. What I did say, is that Master Chief HAS indeed made significant progress on the destruction of the Flood.

"No dumbass I meant the Halo"

Well, this certifies that you don't know what you are talking about. Installation 05 IS Delta Halo. The Gravemind had formed there thousands of years prior to Master chief even existing, so how did he allow it to form?

"Master Chief never once destroyed an entire Covenant Fleet by himself. And I didn't say all nothing, I said in vain, because, in the end, everything he does in CE was to stop Halo from being activated. What does he do in Halo 3? He activates it, the very same ring, in fact."

Well at the end of Halo:CE Cortana does say "an entire Covenant armada destroyed" or something along those lines. And I never said he did it by himself either. And that is not in vain, that is called irony. It is IRONIC that Master Chief spends the time in the trilogy to stop Halos, yet he ends up using one. In vain would mean that he had just spent the entire trilogy stopping Halos from firing and killing all sentient life, and having exactly that happen.


"He failed in his mission to get aboard High Charity and capture a Prophet, not only this, but he couldn't do so before it got to Earth full of Flood. So... fail on his part, double fail actually."


Him failing to capture a prophet has nothing to do with the Flood. And also, do you even know the timeline? Master Chief got to Earth before the Flood did, so...... fail on your reading/comprehension skills?

"Oh, triple fail, my bad."

You expect one person to completely steralize an area of all Flood spores? Glassing that area was the only option.

"At the end of Halo 3 it is stated that 23 billion people lost their lives, and my source for that is Halo: Evolutions, "Palace Hotel", page 351. I guess we can constitute that an epic fail."

No single soldier could have prevented that. And that is still not extinction. The UNSC still has a few inner colonies left, which probably have a few billion on each. Combined with the fact that they are no longer in war means that they are in no way on the verge of extinction.

Your arguement amounts to; "Master Chief can't do the impossible/allowed things completely unrelated to him to happen, so that means he suxs"



  • 10.11.2011 9:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
...Um, what? What do you call the whole first Halo Trilogy then? That's one of the whole points of Halos CE-3, saving the universe and humanity.

Galaxy =/= Universe

I'm really not getting any of what you're saying, it sounds like you're just trying to find excuses to complain about John :/
If you're referring to RED FLAG, that failing is not Chief or any other Spartans' responsibility, the UNSC High Command are the ones who called that off. And if you are referring to the mission aboard High Charity in Halo 2, he didn't have any say in whether he was sent there or not, he was sent by the Gravemind to recover the Index, and even then the Gravemind didn't know whether it was there or at the Control Room already. And when was his goal ever stated to be stopping High Charity from leaving Delta Halo after the Flood hijacked it? And how is it getting to Earth a fail on Chief's part? The Elites were the ones who slipped up there.

I think he means after Halo 2 when the Chief attempts to assassinate Truth in Halo: Uprising.

  • 10.11.2011 9:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Headhunter3015

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Had Master Chief been in any of Noble Team's shoes, he would've dropped faster than a red shirt character in Star Trek. Noble Six, had she had an opportunity to go to Alpha Halo, would've outperformed Chief any day of the week.


Impossible Noble six was a spartan 3 and would therefore is now where near as capable as a spartan 2, how ever Noble team as a whole could take Master Chief no problem considering gorge himself is a spartan 2.

Spartan 3s are not inferior. Quite the opposite really. They got the same augments, tougher training, and great teamwork. Their only inferiority is their SPI armor which Noble doesn't use.


Arguably better augments as they didn't require the growth hormone for the others to achieve full effect, and had no washouts.


Only NOBLE team type S-IIIs(and maybe the Headhunters) were S-II quality. the majority of S-IIIs were not.

augmentations+perfect genes=S-II quality effects
augmentations+less than perfect genes=S-III quality(as a whole) effects

Seriously, would you at least try to comprehend this?

  • 10.11.2011 9:20 PM PDT

Augmentation descriptions...

The coverage of this procedure does not exceed 3% total bone mass due to significant white blood cell necrosis, to make up for that a growth hormone is administered to help strengthen the bones throughout the rest of the body.

That, as I read it, means the growth hormone one was required for some of the other augmentations to achieve full affect. But, with Spartan 3's, they did not get it, and still got pretty much the same results? That means theirs had to have been improved. But that goes hand in hand with the fact S2's were a 'test bed' and S3's got the refined deal.

Also, I said nothing of individual 'quality'. I was talking purely the augmentations. Besides the fact you use lack of information as a fact. (Saying Spartan 3's only got 300% reaction boost and Spartan 2's got a much higher one, and we never get numbers about a Spartan 3 post augmentation/fully grown.)

  • 10.11.2011 11:08 PM PDT

it's boot to ass time.

don't forget that the enhancement or augmentations the spartan 3's had were cheaper versions of the augmentations the spartan 2's had so they were slightly safer but not as effective hence the growth hormone plus one of the aug's induce increased agression and adrenaline intake when overly stressed as well as slowly rotting their brain when they enter this mode.

  • 10.11.2011 11:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Link Hylia
don't forget that the enhancement or augmentations the spartan 3's had were cheaper versions of the augmentations the spartan 2's had so they were slightly safer but not as effective hence the growth hormone plus one of the aug's induce increased agression and adrenaline intake when overly stressed as well as slowly rotting their brain when they enter this mode.


Gamma company only for the last, and completely false for the first.

It was not less effective, it was 'cheaper' and 'safer' due to MEDICAL ADVANCES. It's like saying a flu shot which is easier to inject today is worse then one from back when it was first brought around.

  • 10.11.2011 11:30 PM PDT

ok I'll put noble team in a situation that John survived. Remember the end of CE when John was driving the warthog in order to get off of the ring before the Autumn exploded and blew it to bits. Ok lets put noble team in that situation ALONE. Kat would have died by driving off a cliff or running out of time. Emile would have met the same fate, as would Carter and Jorge. We have not witnessed Jun's driving, but we can expect that it would have been horrendous as well. My point is Noble 6 would have been able to drive and might have been able to escape HOWEVER six is at a disadvantage, because six didn't have the Mark V armor and therefor wouldn't have been able to interface with Cortana the whole time, meaning she wouldn't have been able to help six during the entire campaign and six would have ultimately died on halo just like everything ele besides the chief and sgt johnson

  • 10.12.2011 8:58 AM PDT


Posted by: Mister Rollback
ok I'll put noble team in a situation that John survived. Remember the end of CE when John was driving the warthog in order to get off of the ring before the Autumn exploded and blew it to bits. Ok lets put noble team in that situation ALONE. Kat would have died by driving off a cliff or running out of time. Emile would have met the same fate, as would Carter and Jorge. We have not witnessed Jun's driving, but we can expect that it would have been horrendous as well. My point is Noble 6 would have been able to drive and might have been able to escape HOWEVER six is at a disadvantage, because six didn't have the Mark V armor and therefor wouldn't have been able to interface with Cortana the whole time, meaning she wouldn't have been able to help six during the entire campaign and six would have ultimately died on halo just like everything ele besides the chief and sgt johnson


Because gameplay AI totally describes how the characters truly act right? Wrong.

Also, ALL of Noble Team had Mark V armor buddy.

So what would have happened? Noble Team piles into two separate warthogs, tears through there, maybe even saves foehammer due to having warthog gunners to harass the banshee pilots. If not they continue.

Edit: And of course, we can say Chief is there (like all of Noble + Chief is present) then simply 3 in one hog, 2 in 2 others.

[Edited on 10.12.2011 9:14 AM PDT]

  • 10.12.2011 9:13 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because gameplay AI totally describes how the characters truly act right? Wrong.

See, the problem with people saying gameplay doesn't count is that we then have only cutscenes and scripted event to judge entire characters from. This presents a problem not only with Noble, but with every character you've ever played as or with. Suddenly every action performed outside of cutscenes didn't really happen. So unless you want to severely reduce the canon, gameplay does count.

[Edited on 10.12.2011 9:41 AM PDT]

  • 10.12.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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  • 10.12.2011 10:10 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Because gameplay AI totally describes how the characters truly act right? Wrong.

See, the problem with people saying gameplay doesn't count is that we then have only cutscenes and scripted event to judge entire characters from. This presents a problem not only with Noble, but with every character you've ever played as or with. Suddenly every action performed outside of cutscenes didn't really happen. So unless you want to severely reduce the canon, gameplay does count.


Events are canon, but gameplay elements are not. Such as in one room you might face a single elite minor on easy, but 5 zealots in legendary.

Likewise, saying all marines are absolutely -blam!- drivers because their AI is less then stellar, Jun's a retarded sniper who can't hit a cruiser parked infront of him, and Emile shotgun snipes all the time is foolish.

Hence, "gameplay AI". When somebody says "gameplay doesn't count.", I believe it usually means "You cannot state for a fact Chief fought 5 elite zealots in the room due to the fact it changes on difficulty."

  • 10.12.2011 10:53 AM PDT

as far as I can tell NOBLE team wore mark IV armor and not mark V . You guys give the elites too much credit when it comes to their combat prowess.

  • 10.12.2011 12:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Mister Rollback
as far as I can tell NOBLE team wore mark IV armor and not mark V . You guys give the elites too much credit when it comes to their combat prowess.


Bungie outright said Noble Team has Mark V armor.

And you give them too little credit.

  • 10.12.2011 12:11 PM PDT

to me the books aren't canon, because they themselves weren't wrote by bungie therefor only the bungie games are credit. As far as I can tell EVERY spartan kicks an elites ass. Elites might be affective against the regular military, but spartans are bred to kill and thats what they do.

  • 10.12.2011 12:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Mister Rollback
to me the books aren't canon, because they themselves weren't wrote by bungie therefor only the bungie games are credit. As far as I can tell EVERY spartan kicks an elites ass. Elites might be affective against the regular military, but spartans are bred to kill and thats what they do.


What about the books written by bungie employees?

  • 10.12.2011 12:24 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Mister Rollback
to me the books aren't canon, because they themselves weren't wrote by bungie therefor only the bungie games are credit. As far as I can tell EVERY spartan kicks an elites ass. Elites might be affective against the regular military, but spartans are bred to kill and thats what they do.


What about the books written by bungie employees?


Ignore Mister Rollback, he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.

[Edited on 10.12.2011 2:28 PM PDT]

  • 10.12.2011 2:28 PM PDT