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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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Posted by: Rider Luke
The Chief. He's a S-II


And so is Jorge, and he died because he wanted to. And then there are 5 other Spartan III's that the Chief would have to fight.

The MC can have all the luck he wants, but he is not winning that fight.

  • 09.03.2011 9:43 AM PDT

yes he will even though he is one spartan look at all his luck and he never dies either unlike noble team

  • 09.03.2011 9:46 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: rookie520
yes he will even though he is one spartan look at all his luck and he never dies either unlike noble team


No.

You just looking into blind optimism. There is absolutely no way in hell Master Chief can beat 6 Spartans in one fight. Luck dosent cover that much.

He almost died fighting one Brute, imagine him against the coordination and lethal efficiency of a Spartan III team with a Spartan II in their ranks.

It's just simply impossible. No ammount of luck can save you from that.

  • 09.03.2011 9:51 AM PDT

i dont give a -blam!- he will kill them all if he barely survives or if he goes down with them

  • 09.03.2011 9:54 AM PDT

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Master Chief by far.

  • 09.03.2011 9:56 AM PDT


Posted by: rookie520
i dont give a -blam!- he will kill them all if he barely survives or if he goes down with them


And this is why Master Chief became overrated, and got 'meh' ratings from me.

"Chief would survive being shot in the head!"

  • 09.03.2011 9:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: rookie520
i dont give a -blam!- he will kill them all if he barely survives or if he goes down with them


And this is why Master Chief became overrated, and got 'meh' ratings from me.

"Chief would survive being shot in the head!"


Exactly, I mean Chief's a bad ass, but this god like status is completely undeserved.

  • 09.03.2011 10:39 AM PDT

Chief would win he is a -blam!- cyborg. hes part mechanical. he wouldnt have got shot in the head, or let himself blw up or fly into stuff killing himself. he is way smarter. he would have known that sniper was there, he would have figured out an alternative to blowing up the bomb or just killed every1 in the ship and crash it into another while escaping and if flying a pelican chased by banshees he would jjump on then and air jack them and killl the rest. Point proven in halo 3 he srvived a entire self destucting planet. IDT noble team could hae done that.

  • 09.03.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Next X Pr0
Chief would win he is a -blam!- cyborg. hes part mechanical. he wouldnt have got shot in the head, or let himself blw up or fly into stuff killing himself. he is way smarter. he would have known that sniper was there, he would have figured out an alternative to blowing up the bomb or just killed every1 in the ship and crash it into another while escaping and if flying a pelican chased by banshees he would jjump on then and air jack them and killl the rest. Point proven in halo 3 he srvived a entire self destucting planet. IDT noble team could hae done that.


I don't think mechanical is the right way to put it. Also, Chief is not omniscient, if anything he goes in blind and makes it up as he goes. He is an effective soldier, yes, but he is also very lucky.

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  • 09.03.2011 10:54 AM PDT
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Master Chief cannot beat NOBLE Team due to Jorge being on the Team. SPARTAN-IIIs are far weaker and less skilled than any SPARTAN-II. I would say the 2 best on NOBLE Team(In terms of skill) are (1)Jorge and (2)Noble 6.

would people stop brining up the fricking Brute incident?! He was taken off guard by a ceramoinal guard Brute(Probably meaning it has more skill than normal). It sprang on him and used its greater strength. However, over the course of Halo 2 and 3, Master Chief sluaghters hundreds of Brutes, sometimes entire packs at once.

If Jorge wasn't on the Team, I would say Chief would win.

  • 09.03.2011 12:52 PM PDT
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Yep....

Hmmm a cliche group of soldiers or a one man army?

Hmmm...

  • 09.03.2011 12:58 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Master Chief cannot beat NOBLE Team due to Jorge being on the Team. SPARTAN-IIIs are far weaker and less skilled than any SPARTAN-II. I would say the 2 best on NOBLE Team(In terms of skill) are (1)Jorge and (2)Noble 6.

would people stop brining up the fricking Brute incident?! He was taken off guard by a ceramoinal guard Brute(Probably meaning it has more skill than normal). It sprang on him and used its greater strength. However, over the course of Halo 2 and 3, Master Chief sluaghters hundreds of Brutes, sometimes entire packs at once.

If Jorge wasn't on the Team, I would say Chief would win.


A: Haha, yet another person not knowing anything about Spartan III's.
B: The brute had no armor at all. If anything it was a minor. I highly doubt Chief's brute kills in Halo 2 went over a hundred. Or halo 3. Even then, GAMEPLAY. Until a novel comes out we don't know the exact number and rank of foes he fought, how he beat them, or what troubles he had.

  • 09.03.2011 1:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Master Chief cannot beat NOBLE Team due to Jorge being on the Team. SPARTAN-IIIs are far weaker and less skilled than any SPARTAN-II. I would say the 2 best on NOBLE Team(In terms of skill) are (1)Jorge and (2)Noble 6.

would people stop brining up the fricking Brute incident?! He was taken off guard by a ceramoinal guard Brute(Probably meaning it has more skill than normal). It sprang on him and used its greater strength. However, over the course of Halo 2 and 3, Master Chief sluaghters hundreds of Brutes, sometimes entire packs at once.

If Jorge wasn't on the Team, I would say Chief would win.


A: Haha, yet another person not knowing anything about Spartan III's.

Ugh, it really annoys me how people think the Spartan III's are much more inferior to Spartan II's. You put up a Spartan III vs a Spartan II, with the same amount of experience and equipment, and it would be an equal fight.

Spartan III's had a much better and harsher training regime than the SII's, mostly focused on teamwork. How the hell is the Chief going to be able to beat 5 Spartan III's who have been drilled into their bones the necessity of teamwork? Spartan III's in my opinion are better than Spartan II's considering their limited budget and lack of equipment and intel when going forth onto missions.

  • 09.03.2011 1:07 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

It makes me laugh how people say that John is better than Noble Team cause he survived 3 games. It's like saying C3PO is better than Yoda because he didn't die.

  • 09.03.2011 1:13 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
It makes me laugh how people say that John is better than Noble Team cause he survived 3 games. It's like saying C3PO is better than Yoda because he didn't die.


Well, I wouldn't use C3PO cause he got blown up.

A better example would be... Obiwan is better then Qui-gon cause cause Qui-gon died in a single movie.

  • 09.03.2011 1:15 PM PDT
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A: You think I know nothing about S-IIIs? Wrong. I have read Ghosts of Onyx 3 times now. I remember a few trainees holding off a whole bunch of guards in a training exercise, but Mendez and Kurt easily snuk up on them and told them to stop. SPARTAN-IIIs were given far less extreme bioaugmentations than S-IIs. This means they are slower and weaker. Master Chief wear's MJOLNIR Mark VI armor, far better than NOBLE Team's MJOLNIR Mark V.

I Remember Kelly and Fred commenting on how the surviving S-IIIs on Onyx were less disiplined and not quite as coordinated. People on Bungie.net and Halo.xbox.com sometimes overexaggerate and have some certian biases. I debate on Factpile.com, in order to support Halo effectively there, I have to know everything possible and use logic and statistics to determine actual capabilities.

B) The Brute was said to be a ceramonial guard in rank. Between Halo 2 and 3, I would number brute kills 100+. Gameplay? Really? That only counts for mechanics(Like flipping a tank or dying from 2 sniper shots in the foot). Herioc is the difficulty Halo games are supposed to be played on. It is assumed the amount and rank of enemies on that difficulty are what actually happened. There are also scripted events in the games where Master Chief fights large squads of Brutes alone(Scripted as you have to do it to move on, same amount on all difficulties, and no AIs help you).

Halo games are the highest form of Canon. Because a book has not come out doesn't mean he never killed that amount of brutes. Note in Halo 3 that you fight shielded Brutes.

People often take qoutes like the one in first Strike out of context. because one Brute caught him off-guard and got him in a strangle hold doesn't suddenly mean Brute=Master Chief. If you believe otherwise, you are just ignorant.

  • 09.03.2011 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
It makes me laugh how people say that John is better than Noble Team cause he survived 3 games. It's like saying C3PO is better than Yoda because he didn't die.


Well, I wouldn't use C3PO cause he got blown up.

A better example would be... Obiwan is better then Qui-gon cause cause Qui-gon died in a single movie.


Or...Jar Jar Binks being better than Qui-gon/Darth Maul/Jango Fett/Count Dooku/All those Jedi that died in the purge/Mace Windu/Obi-Wan/Vader/The Emperor/Yoda, since he was alive by the liberation of Coruscant.

  • 09.03.2011 1:19 PM PDT
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@Hipi

1v1 S-IIs are far superior to S-IIIs. SPARTAN-IIIs operate on teamwork to make up for their weaker abilities as compared to a S-II. The one thing S-IIIs can do better is take pain, due to the special(and illegal) enhancements they got.

  • 09.03.2011 1:24 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: superiorarsenal
I Remember Kelly and Fred commenting on how the surviving S-IIIs on Onyx were less disiplined and not quite as coordinated.


If you had read Ghosts of Onyx three times as you said, then you would clearly remember Kurt saying ''Well, what did he expect, fresh out, green and put up against these sentinels''

Team Saber had just been graduated, I cant remember the exact date, but I wouldint give it more than 4 months between graduation and the events on Onyx. Of course 25 year veteran Spartan II's are going to think they are under coordinated and somewhat undisciplined.

Now, they dint say anything bad about Tom and Lucy, right? The most experienced surviving Spartan III's.

  • 09.03.2011 1:26 PM PDT

Happy Ducks Swimming In A Lake.

Chief because he can fight an invasion with out 5 other people and without being killed.

  • 09.03.2011 1:26 PM PDT

Actually... I'd have to say the brute didn't get Chief off guard. He knew something was there, but allowed himself to be distracted. Also, ASSUMED number of kills. You cannot say for fact, chief killed 300 grunts in halo 2. You can ASSUME it, but not factual state it beyond "He killed that many grunts in my playthrough."

My point is, all we know is "Chief fought through these areas." We don't know enemy numbers, enemy ranks, or what tactics/weapons he truly used in canon. Thus those events go down to GAMEPLAY. I can go through they using only melee, another person might only use needlers.

Anyway, You are false on many points about Spartan III's. S3 augmentations fielded the SAME results as S2 augmentations. *points at noble team wearing MJOLNIR* If they did not, that wouldn't be possible. Thus, slower and weaker is false.

Mendez and Kurt are both massively experienced, DUH they'd be able to sneak up on them.

Master Chief would be in Mark V in this case. Or, if he's in Mark VI, so should Noble Team to make it fair between armor. Though I doubt him in mark VI vs 6 people in Mark V would make much of a difference.

For somebody who knows his facts, you've gotten a few wrong.

  • 09.03.2011 1:28 PM PDT

it would be a fair fight if cheif had a shotgun and a sniper against noble team

  • 09.03.2011 1:30 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: superiorarsenal
@Hipi

1v1 S-IIs are far superior to S-IIIs. SPARTAN-IIIs operate on teamwork to make up for their weaker abilities as compared to a S-II. The one thing S-IIIs can do better is take pain, due to the special(and illegal) enhancements they got.


*Sigh*

1. Only Delta Company received such drugs to boost their endurance.

2. Yes, SII's are normally superior to SIII's, but look at the budgets between the projects. Spartan II was only with less than a hundred recuits. Each Spartan III class counted with 300, and in some cases, a little bit more.

The difference between budgets is obvious with just looking at the difference between the number candidates. And the on going Covenant-Human War. You put a Spartan III with the same equipment and experience as the Spartan II's and they'd be equal. The augmentations were the same for both generations.

  • 09.03.2011 1:30 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: superiorarsenal
@Hipi

1v1 S-IIs are far superior to S-IIIs. SPARTAN-IIIs operate on teamwork to make up for their weaker abilities as compared to a S-II. The one thing S-IIIs can do better is take pain, due to the special(and illegal) enhancements they got.


*Sigh*

1. Only Delta Company received such drugs to boost their endurance.

2. Yes, SII's are normally superior to SIII's, but look at the budgets between the projects. Spartan II was only with less than a hundred recuits. Each Spartan III class counted with 300, and in some cases, a little bit more.

The difference between budgets is obvious with just looking at the difference between the number candidates. And the on going Covenant-Human War. You put a Spartan III with the same equipment and experience as the Spartan II's and they'd be equal. The augmentations were the same for both generations.


Actually Gamma company, not delta. Delta wasn't started.

  • 09.03.2011 1:44 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: superiorarsenal
@Hipi

1v1 S-IIs are far superior to S-IIIs. SPARTAN-IIIs operate on teamwork to make up for their weaker abilities as compared to a S-II. The one thing S-IIIs can do better is take pain, due to the special(and illegal) enhancements they got.


*Sigh*

1. Only Delta Company received such drugs to boost their endurance.

2. Yes, SII's are normally superior to SIII's, but look at the budgets between the projects. Spartan II was only with less than a hundred recuits. Each Spartan III class counted with 300, and in some cases, a little bit more.

The difference between budgets is obvious with just looking at the difference between the number candidates. And the on going Covenant-Human War. You put a Spartan III with the same equipment and experience as the Spartan II's and they'd be equal. The augmentations were the same for both generations.


Actually Gamma company, not delta. Delta wasn't started.


Bleh, yeah I mean Gamma.

I must have blacked out or something while writting.

  • 09.03.2011 1:50 PM PDT