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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team

"I actually don't hold a grudge against someone talking trash about me if they're shot afterwards, I try to rise above that "

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I'd say Noble Team.

I don't know much about Noble Team or MC other then games,but numbers always overwhelm a single person,no matter how much luck,skill or what weapons they have.

A simple example would be Infection.
The last man standing (with weapons) never lasts more then a minute,seeing as there's a good few zombies(with energy swords only) chasing him.

Another example would be the ending scene to Lone Wolf.
*SPOILER*
Despite Noble 6's training and previous missions as a Lone Wolf,he died by the masses of Covenant forces trying to kill him.
*SPOILER OVER*
Same as MC,if he came up against the same amount of Covenant,he would have met the same fate.

So 6 v 1? the 6 win.

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Posted by: tr sargent
I'd say Noble Team.

I don't know much about Noble Team or MC other then games,but numbers always overwhelm a single person,no matter how much luck,skill or what weapons they have.

A simple example would be Infection.
The last man standing (with weapons) never lasts more then a minute,seeing as there's a good few zombies(with energy swords only) chasing him.

Another example would be the ending scene to Lone Wolf.
*SPOILER*
Despite Noble 6's training and previous missions as a Lone Wolf,he died by the masses of Covenant forces trying to kill him.
*SPOILER OVER*
Same as MC,if he came up against the same amount of Covenant,he would have met the same fate.

So 6 v 1? the 6 win.


As stated, sheer numbers always win out. Especially with similar training, MC, as good as he is, is not better than six spartans.

  • 09.03.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: UphillMercury31

Posted by: tr sargent
I'd say Noble Team.

I don't know much about Noble Team or MC other then games,but numbers always overwhelm a single person,no matter how much luck,skill or what weapons they have.

A simple example would be Infection.
The last man standing (with weapons) never lasts more then a minute,seeing as there's a good few zombies(with energy swords only) chasing him.

Another example would be the ending scene to Lone Wolf.
*SPOILER*
Despite Noble 6's training and previous missions as a Lone Wolf,he died by the masses of Covenant forces trying to kill him.
*SPOILER OVER*
Same as MC,if he came up against the same amount of Covenant,he would have met the same fate.

So 6 v 1? the 6 win.


As stated, sheer numbers always win out. Especially with similar training, MC, as good as he is, is not better than six spartans.


It is never a question of if the crowd will win. It is merely a question of when.

The most common "1 vs crowd" wins simply happen because they can't take down the hero quick enough before they loose to many people.

Like infection, you can last a while, but at some point you'll slip up or there will be too many and you'll get taken down.

Of course, 1 vs 6 and all are basically equals? The 6 will win unless the 1 has a major trump card (armor, fortifications, etc.)

  • 09.03.2011 3:32 PM PDT

lxl Syphon lxl

Master Chief. He's the leader of the Spartans for a reason. He is a Spartan 2 and not some cheap Spartan 3. And he is halo

  • 09.03.2011 4:08 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

John has many things Noble Team don't. But the thing that sticks out most about him? He has competence...

  • 09.03.2011 4:09 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: ajw34307
John has many things Noble Team don't. But the thing that sticks out most about him? He has competence...


Oh God

C'mon, aj, we both know that Noble Team is a much more efficient team than what was horribly depicted in Reach.

I dont like that Noble Team is left with that kind of fame. They were Spartans and some justice has to be brought to them, that's exactly why I want a novel about one of their many operations, or the story of Carter and Kat ever since NOBLE was founded, all the way untill Reach began.

We both know that how they are represented in the game is bull. And even more so in gameplay.

  • 09.03.2011 4:17 PM PDT

Platinum pwnz

Yeah, but if it weren't for Noble team, Master Chief would be a pile of glass and sand, along with all the other spartans on Reach.

  • 09.03.2011 4:23 PM PDT

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If you really think about, they are almost equally matched.

Master Chief is a Spartan II. Has more experience, and has done a lot more than Noble Team has.

Noble Team is made up of 5 Spartan IIIs and 1 Spartan II in which each have their own role.

I think that the last 2 standing would be Master Chief and Noble Six.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 6:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 6:26 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Master Chief saved humanity as well as all life in the range of the rings. Noble Team couldn't even save Reach.

  • 09.03.2011 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Master Chief saved humanity as well as all life in the range of the rings. Noble Team couldn't even save Reach.

Do you honestly think he could have saved Reach?

  • 09.03.2011 6:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Master Chief saved humanity as well as all life in the range of the rings. Noble Team couldn't even save Reach.

Do you honestly think he could have saved Reach?

  • 09.03.2011 6:40 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Master Chief saved humanity as well as all life in the range of the rings. Noble Team couldn't even save Reach.


Neither did the rest of the Spartan-IIs, but their failure is deemed heroic.

  • 09.03.2011 7:41 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Master Chief saved humanity as well as all life in the range of the rings. Noble Team couldn't even save Reach.


Neither did the rest of the Spartan-IIs, but their failure is deemed heroic.


Nah you see, Spartan II's(and some others like Keyes and Johnson) are exempt from this stupid rule that I see flung around here these days.

For some reason, spartan II's dying on Reach is okay, but Spartan III's dying on missions with incredible odds against them (while still completing every objective) means they universally fail.

  • 09.03.2011 7:45 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Master Chief saved humanity as well as all life in the range of the rings. Noble Team couldn't even save Reach.


Neither did the rest of the Spartan-IIs, but their failure is deemed heroic.


Nah you see, Spartan II's(and some others like Keyes and Johnson) are exempt from this stupid rule that I see flung around here these days.

For some reason, spartan II's dying on Reach is okay, but Spartan III's dying on missions with incredible odds against them (while still completing every objective) means they universally fail.


That's the Halo fanbase for you.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 7:46 PM PDT]

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"Yes, SII's are normally superior to SIII's, but look at the budgets between the projects. Spartan II was only with less than a hundred recuits. Each Spartan III class counted with 300, and in some cases, a little bit more."

What does budget have to do with it? S-IIs costed so much because of training, MJOlNIR production/producing, Bio-aug research/application, abductions, flash clones, ect. S-IIIs on the whole only needed a significant amount of money in the housing and training department. SPI armor is cheaper, the bio-augs are less extreme, they were all orphans, and they didn't have the huge bill of MJOLNIR. 1 S-III is cheaper than 1 S-II. The goal of S-IIIs was to mass produce cheaper super-soldiers. The S-II project was to create highly lethal super-soldiers to do pin-point high-risk missions.

Another thing, the reason the S-III project was so big because the gene pool for their bio-augs was far greater. S-IIs were much more limited and had to have near perfect genes.

"You put a Spartan III with the same equipment and experience as the Spartan II's and they'd be equal. The augmentations were the same for both generations."

Prove the augmentations were the same. I saw nowhere that they were. They have different augmentations. S-II augs require a very specific gene pool. I have also never seen a S-III preform on the same level as a S-II. Master Chief, or any S-II, could take on any S-III. however, one S-II can't take on 5 S-IIIs and a S-II.




  • 09.03.2011 7:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

You do realize the S-III gene pool had high standards right? Advances in medical technology allowed it to get more candidates, but it wasn't open to as many people as folks think. Ackerson wanted to just snatch any kid he wanted, but Kurt stopped him from doing so.

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I realize that, but the S-II gene pool was far more limited. and you still have not proven S-III augs are the same as S-II ones. You just claim it with no proof.

  • 09.03.2011 7:54 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
I realize that, but the S-II gene pool was far more limited. and you still have not proven S-III augs are the same as S-II ones. You just claim it with no proof.


They used safer, different methods to get the same result.

  • 09.03.2011 7:56 PM PDT
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....

I've been a Halo fan since the beginning and I for some reason prefer Noble Team.

The cut scenes in Reach just seemed much more interesting because there were more people who talked.

  • 09.03.2011 8:10 PM PDT
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Prove they have the same results. you keep dodging the question here. You can't prove it because you have no proof. And I still haven't seen S-IIIs preforming on a S-IIs level.

I want some quotes please.

  • 09.03.2011 8:16 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Prove they have the same results. you keep dodging the question here. You can't prove it because you have no proof. And I still haven't seen S-IIIs preforming on a S-IIs level.

I want some quotes please.


There is zero proof the results are worse as well.

Why don't you gather quotes up saying how they are worse eh?

Also, A S3 can use MJOLNIR. If the results were different (aka worse) That would not be possible.

  • 09.03.2011 8:22 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

S-II

Carbide Ceramic Ossification: Advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable.

Muscular Enhancement Injections: Protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactase recovery time.

Catalytic Thyroid Implant: Submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of the subject's retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase.

Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites: Alteration of bioeletrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. 300% increase in subject reflexes. Anecdotal evidence of marked increase in intelligence, memory, and creativity.


S-III

8942-LQ99: Skeletons become virtually unbreakable, allowing survival in harder impacts.

88005-MX77: Increased density of individual's muscles, allowing heavier lifting.

88947-OP24: Color sharpness is significantly improved upon, and night vision is adapted.

87556-UD61: Greatly improves the individual's reaction time, decreasing the time taken to react by 300%.

  • 09.03.2011 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
S-II

Carbide Ceramic Ossification: Advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable.

Muscular Enhancement Injections: Protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactase recovery time.

Catalytic Thyroid Implant: Submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of the subject's retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase.

Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites: Alteration of bioeletrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. 300% increase in subject reflexes. Anecdotal evidence of marked increase in intelligence, memory, and creativity.


S-III

8942-LQ99: Skeletons become virtually unbreakable, allowing survival in harder impacts.

88005-MX77: Increased density of individual's muscles, allowing heavier lifting.

88947-OP24: Color sharpness is significantly improved upon, and night vision is adapted.

87556-UD61: Greatly improves the individual's reaction time, decreasing the time taken to react by 300%.



Looks pretty close to me.

  • 09.03.2011 8:28 PM PDT
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The S-IIs were more specific. All the S-III bio-augs only say it is enhanced. It does not show HOW enhanced. Hell, the S-Is got bio-augs that allowed heavier lifting and faster speeds. So does that mean S-Is=S-IIs?

Granted the Reaction boost is the same. But it was also said the S-IIs did much better than the predicted results(i.e. the first set of aug data you posted). S-IIs actually have a 1400% reaction boost(Normal human reaction time is 0.28 seconds, S-IIs reaction times are 0.02 seconds, 14x better, hence 1400% better). The S-III augmentations sound like they are par with the PREDICTED S-II augmentations, however, the S-IIs far exceeded expectations.

  • 09.03.2011 8:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

You simply asked to provide you proof that the augmentations were the same, and in terms of what they do, they are. Even when Kelly beat Olivia(?) in a 1v1 fight, she managed to counter and reverse Kelly's blows. True, she got knocked back, however, this could be attributed to their differences in armor. Give both the same armor and the fight could go either way.

And you want evidence of S-IIIs performing on similar levels to S-IIs? The surviving members of Gamma Company on Onyx took out a Sentinel Production facility themselves. The remaining S-IIs did the same. The Headhunter's also took out many high-value, high-risk targets with only two S-IIIs.

  • 09.03.2011 8:56 PM PDT