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Subject: Whos better Master Chief or Noble team

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
"I've given you evidence that points that Blue Team's roster no longer has Master Chief listed by the time of Ghosts of Onyx."


No, what you gave me is something from Halopedian that has no canon value. Just because some person went online and posted that on the page does not mean that it is correct. Hell, the Halopedian says that Onyx was destroyed, which in fact only the crust of the planet was removed, revealing the true Onyx.

A word to the wise, don't ever cite Halopedian. If you want to prove a point, use quotes from the books as your source.


A hint, a squad roster reflects who they have with them. The squad leader MUST be with the squad. Therefore, in Ghosts of Onyx, John-117 cannot be officially on blue team's roster as squad leader.

So, as described by somebody who did JROTC-ROTC, and knows military, for John to be listed as a member of blue team post halo 2 opening cutscene means they won't be acting as a military would.

For example, is Kaiden in ME2 considered part of Shepard's squad? Nope. Is Cole train in Gears 2 considered part of delta squad prior to meeting up? Nope.

In short, blue team is indeed Fred's team now.

Edit: Besides, if he was listed as part of blue team, that'd clutter the roster with useless information (as he isn't around).

edit2: If wanted, I can ask somebody who actually was in the US military about this stuff.


1)Except Blue Team is the designation of Master Chief's squad regardless of who is in it. So technically the Blue Teams are different from eachother, just like how Master Chief designated the S-IIs that went to Reach as Red Team, while Red Team already/still exists. Another thing, how exactly is the UNSC supposed to know that Fred outranks MC? As far as the UNSC is concered MC is still the leader of the SPARTANs. If Blue Team and Master Chief return, Fred would be recognized as the rank he was given by Kurt, and MC would almost without a doubt be promoted.

Also, your ME analogy is horrible. Shepard was actually dead, and then was part of an entirely different orginization from the Alliance. Kaiden/Ashely was also actually reassigned aswell, unlike Chief and the rest of Blue who were separated due to circumstances and not squad reassignement.


He is already the Master Chief Petty Officer of The Navy he is not going to get promoted.

  • 10.09.2011 11:45 AM PDT

Okay, listen, we should get our stories straight, all right? If anyone asks, and no one's gonna ask, don't worry, but if anyone asks, tell them as far as you know, the last time you checked, everyone looked pretty much alive, all right? Not dead.

My Stats And Armor

Master Chief All The Way! I Like My Own Version Of Noble Team Better. Its Called Mythic Team And You Can See Them In My Recent Screenshots:)

  • 10.09.2011 11:51 AM PDT

Friend who was in the military said John wouldn't be in command until they met up again and formally switched leaders.

Even then, WHY are you clinging to this so badly? No decent squad would consider somebody separated from them for so long part of the roster, much less the leader. That'd change when and if they meet up again, but in this case that's unlikely.

I mean, look at halo 2. Chief is on the station, blue team is assigned planetside. They get two completely different tasks.

  • 10.09.2011 11:53 AM PDT

How about Tex? If she was mentioned, it would be obvious. However, since she isn't a choice, I would say Chief. Just listen to the first scene in Halo 3, when Cortana talks to Chief, about how he has something else, luck.

[Edited on 10.09.2011 12:28 PM PDT]

  • 10.09.2011 12:27 PM PDT
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Chief was getting an award on the station. Covenant came, Chief sprung to address immediate matters, as did Blue team. There was no break that would allow them to get back together. It was like BOOM Covenant arrive BOOM Take out the Scarab BOOM Delta Halo. Where exactly was MC supposed to have time to get to his team?

Also, such a long time? They were separated like what, a week?

So actually, blue Team is =/= to Master Chief's Blue Team, just like Reach Red Team =/= Red Team. 2 different teams with the same designation basically. I think we were talking on different pages here. You were refering to Blue team that Fred is in control. I was refering to Master Chief's Blue team. So yes, that is Fred's team, but it is not Master Chief's Blue Team(Any SPARTANs in a squad with Master Chief).

  • 10.09.2011 12:30 PM PDT

There is no difference between "Master Chief's blue team" and "Freds blue team" THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

The difference is Chief is MIA, and went poof early halo 2, where the rest were assigned planet-side on earth, then went to Onyx.

Trust me, I've talked to THREE different people who know military details. John would not be labeled as team leader until they met up and 'formally' handed leadership from Fred to John. Him being on the list is debatable to how it was done. If they officially were reassigned planetside while John was in orbit, or if they just got split up.

The spartan team rosters frequently changed with members and size for various operations.


Oh, I just checked Ghosts of Onyx, section 5, chapter 23, page 203. Word for word typing of the very first line.

"Blue Team--SPARTANS-104, -058, and 043--sat on the blood tray of the pelican as it roared over the ocean, skimming a few meters over the water."

Then the first line of the next paragraph. "In the last two weeks Blue Team had been deployed on numerous zero-gee ops to repel the Covenant ships in orbit over the Earth."

I'm sorry, but halopedia stated what the book just supported. John-117 is not considered part of blue team as of battle of Earth.

  • 10.09.2011 1:24 PM PDT
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*sigh*

They are not the same Blue Teams.

The Blue Team you are reffering to:
A squad of S-IIs with the designation of "Blue Team"

The Blue Team I am reffering to:
Master Chief's squad of S-IIs(Not specific S-IIs, just any in his squad)

The Blue Team you are talking about is the designation of the "1st" team, Red Team being "2nd" team. Like in TFoR, Red Team was merely the callsign of the "2nd" group of S-IIs. The actual Red Team is in the middle of space somewhere.

Basically there can be multiple teams with the same designation. Fred is the leader of A Blue Team, but THE Blue Team is whatever squad has MC as the leader.

  • 10.09.2011 2:19 PM PDT

Actually, the red team in the middle of space is simply the previous leader of Red team, and two other spartans. It is no more the "real" red team as the one that got slaughtered at Reach. It's older leader was Jerome, then Fred took the lead.

the blue team you are referring to does not exist right now. Cause Chief's kinda alone. And Again, there is zero difference between the two. They are one and the same. John was the typical leader of it, then Fred took over.

  • 10.09.2011 3:10 PM PDT
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Yes, you are correct, my version does not exist right now. But John is always the leader of the "1st" team if he has to divide the S-IIs from their typical squads anyways. Blue Team can be a callsign/designation in an engagement but it can also be the actual name of something else.
For example, even though Gray Team already exists, you could give a squad of SPARTANs the callsign of Gray Team in an engagement simply to have a way to identify the squad in that particular engagement.

  • 10.09.2011 3:39 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

Definitely chief. He made Halo what it is, and isn't dead.

  • 10.09.2011 5:14 PM PDT

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Noble 6 > Master Chief.

  • 10.09.2011 5:16 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh


Posted by: matman25402
Noble 6 > Master Chief.

Them's fightin' words.

  • 10.09.2011 5:19 PM PDT
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I'm not like the people at the Reach Forum, I swear. Also, I don't just play Halo: Reach anymore.

I made this account a couple weeks after getting Halo: Reach. I never ever played a halo game before, so I thought this would be a good username. I was wrong, so hoplessly wrong, and I wish I could change it. But I must push on...

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Posted by: jacob crawford
Definitely chief. He made Halo what it is, and isn't dead.


Just because Master didn't die doesn't make him better. Anyways he SHOULD be dead, the only reason he is alive is because 343 Industries magically made him come back to life so they could keep milking the Halo franchise.

  • 10.09.2011 5:26 PM PDT

Really??? Chief saved the entire universe, like twenty times... Noble 6 can't even save themselves. And everybody knows that crap at the end of Reach was a lie

[Edited on 10.09.2011 7:06 PM PDT]

  • 10.09.2011 7:06 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: redness7
Really??? Chief saved the entire universe, like twenty times... Noble 6 can't even save themselves. And everybody knows that crap at the end of Reach was a lie


He didn't save the universe.

  • 10.09.2011 7:10 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: redness7
Really??? Chief saved the entire universe, like twenty times... Noble 6 can't even save themselves. And everybody knows that crap at the end of Reach was a lie


He didn't save the universe.


Yes he did.

  • 10.09.2011 7:24 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: redness7

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: redness7
Really??? Chief saved the entire universe, like twenty times... Noble 6 can't even save themselves. And everybody knows that crap at the end of Reach was a lie


He didn't save the universe.


Yes he did.


Did he stop the Timeless One? No. Heck, he hasn't even defeated the Flood. Not to mention tensions are still high after the war.

  • 10.09.2011 7:25 PM PDT

Who the heck is the timeless one?

In Halo CE, he blew up the ring to stop universal destruction and that's more then the entire Noble 6 team could ever hope for. Tensions? With who? Him and the Arbiter are boyz. Trust me, Chief is like Luke Skywalker with full body armor.

[Edited on 10.09.2011 7:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.09.2011 7:31 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: redness7
Who the heck is the timeless one?

In Halo CE, he blew up the ring to stop universal destruction and that's more then the entire Noble 6 team could ever hope for. Tensions? With who? Him and the Arbiter are boyz. Trust me, Chief is like Luke Skywalker with full body armor.


The Timeless One is the mother-blam!- responsible for pretty much everything that has happened from the Forerunner-Flood War onward. He controls the Flood. He is also not dead. And Human-Elite relations are not very warm at the moment. But since you don't seem to know anything past the games, must be hard to comprehend anythign other than explosions, I wouldn't expect you to know.

  • 10.09.2011 7:35 PM PDT

NVM

[Edited on 10.09.2011 7:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.09.2011 7:43 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: redness7
Who the heck is the timeless one?

In Halo CE, he blew up the ring to stop universal destruction and that's more then the entire Noble 6 team could ever hope for. Tensions? With who? Him and the Arbiter are boyz. Trust me, Chief is like Luke Skywalker with full body armor.


The Timeless One is the mother-blam!- responsible for pretty much everything that has happened from the Forerunner-Flood War onward. He controls the Flood. He is also not dead. And Human-Elite relations are not very warm at the moment. But since you don't seem to know anything past the games, must be hard to comprehend anythign other than explosions, I wouldn't expect you to know.



Internet tough guy right here! Human-Elite relations at the moment? What moment? Like right now? Come on... And if you paid any attention to the last couple of Halo games, only the games matter, the Halo cannon changes at will so your argument is invalid and I don't waist time catching up on my Halo history. The OP's main question was who is a bigger bad ass, Chief or Noble Team? You think the Noble Team could take down the timeless one??? Doesn't sound like it... Give Chief 4 grenades and a couple rockets and that sucker is dead!

  • 10.09.2011 7:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: redness7
You think the Noble Team could take down the timeless one??? Doesn't sound like it... Give Chief 4 grenades and a couple rockets and that sucker is dead!


Not without the Forerunners help. I predict Chief will die or become severely injured by the time this new trilogy is done.

And if you paid any attention to the last couple of Halo games, only the games matter, the Halo cannon changes at will so your argument is invalid and I don't waist time catching up on my Halo history.

It hasn't really changed all that much. The biggest thing in dispute is, well, Reach and even that is starting to become a non-issue.

Also, learn the difference between a galaxy and the universe.

  • 10.09.2011 7:48 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: redness7
You think the Noble Team could take down the timeless one??? Doesn't sound like it... Give Chief 4 grenades and a couple rockets and that sucker is dead!


Not without the Forerunners help.


Link? I predict you have no idea what is in the next game because you believe it will follow cannon. LOLLOLLLOLOOLLL


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

It hasn't really changed all that much. The biggest thing in dispute is, well, Reach and even that is starting to become a non-issue.


So... The biggest thing with Reach... is Reach... Thank you for proving my point for me!

Also, the flood are extra-galactic. Master Chief wins again!!!

  • 10.09.2011 7:57 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: redness7
Link? I predict you have no idea what is in the next game because you believe it will follow cannon. LOLLOLLLOLOOLLL


Well, no, I know it won't follow cannon, but I know it will follow canon.


So... The biggest thing with Reach... is Reach... Thank you for proving my point for me!

Also, the flood are extra-galactic. Master Chief wins again!!!



1. And yet your point doesn't mean anything and never has, it was proven long ago that Reach was a reconstruction of the Battle of Reach, ie not the real thing.

2. They actually came on a ship, likely one planted by the Precursors, were at first a powder, were spread on ancient humanities pets, those pets went ape-blam!-, the Flood then formed, humanity stopped the Flood, the Flood retreated and then came back to defeat the Forerunners.

Also, considering Chief hasn't stopped the Flood, he hasn't saved anyone yet.

  • 10.09.2011 8:04 PM PDT
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  • 10.09.2011 8:05 PM PDT