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Subject: Bloom Does NOT Make This Game More Skillful


Posted by: SouthPoIe


Posted by: ThreeSixXero
Maybe he took lessons from Beirut...


I seriously think he has a learning disability.

I know I call people retarded a lot, but for him I'm being completely serious.

I believe you. I've only read a few of his replies, and I can sense the brain disfunction.

Its as if bloom is the greatest thing to ever happen to him and that there's no possible way it could be bad.

[Edited on 09.02.2011 4:01 PM PDT]

  • 09.02.2011 4:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


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Posted by: ThreeSixXero

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Posted by: IamCornn


Not sure if you're faking stupid or just being stupid right now.

Maybe he took lessons from Beirut...

And Lethal Hate.


What about Mr E0S or w/e his name is?

  • 09.02.2011 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

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Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: SouthPoIe


Posted by: ThreeSixXero
Maybe he took lessons from Beirut...


I seriously think he has a learning disability.

I know I call people retarded a lot, but for him I'm being completely serious.

I believe you. I've only read a few of his replies, and I can sense the brain disfunction.

Its as if bloom is the greatest thing to ever happen to him and that there's no possible way it could be bad.


Beirut
Dmr works beautifully

[Edited on 09.02.2011 4:03 PM PDT]

  • 09.02.2011 4:03 PM PDT
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If you have to use labels like 'Retarded' to describe anyone who disagrees with you, Then your arguement has lost any weight it might of had, and I personally will assume you are just trying to get a rise out of people.

Also to those who think that having a high KDR means you're beast; just the fact that boosters exist is a prime reason that any thumbless noob can achieve it throwing the 'my high KDR validates my opinion" logic out the window.


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Posted by: ThreeSixXero
Maybe he took lessons from Beirut...


I seriously think he has a learning disability.

I know I call people retarded a lot, but for him I'm being completely serious.
And what if I do? Would it make you feel better about yourself? What if I told you that I have Aspergers syndrome and you are infact calling someone with a learning disability retarded? What a guy.

I've come to the conclusion that none of you -want- to see the other side of the arguement. That you're all dead-set on thinking that 'BLOOM IS BAD' and that removing it will solve all of Reach's problems. I've come to realize; I don't Care what you all think. If you think DMR and bloom are bad and that it ruins the game for you, go ahead and think that.

I've been speaking from personal experience with Reach that I have had no problems with the game, bloom, AL, or whatever and I'm just tired of all the arguing. I like the game as is, and it's a shame that everyone just went about whining about it until 343i decided to cave in. So enjoy your bloom-free playlist coming with the TU.

I will be enjoying Vanilla Reach as it is.

[Edited on 09.02.2011 4:07 PM PDT]

  • 09.02.2011 4:05 PM PDT

Cant wait til you complain about H4.

Frankie<3

  • 09.02.2011 4:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


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Posted by: IamCornn

While you don't have a problem with certain mechanics, it doesn't take away that those said mechanics are broken.

  • 09.02.2011 4:08 PM PDT


Posted by: IamCorn

I've come to the conclusion that none of you -want- to see the other side of the arguement. That you're all dead-set on thinking that 'BLOOM IS BAD' and that removing it will solve all of Reach's problems.

What you don't know is that I have been on the other side of the argument. I found that it was a completely indefensible position, so I switched to the side that made more logical sense.

What we say is truth, because we have evidence of such.

  • 09.02.2011 4:14 PM PDT
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GT : lol bloom


Posted by: IamCornn
I've come to the conclusion that none of you -want- to see the other side of the arguement.


You have no argument. All you're doing is describing how bloom should work.

  • 09.02.2011 4:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Darkside Eric

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It's a skillful coward's tactic.


Sorry guys, didn't mean to push you back to your goal line. Here, take your ball back and we'll also give you a free fifty yards to play with.

Dont even bother, the kid is retarded.


Wow, an internet insult, I am hurt. Deeply. At least I know what retarded means, unlike you.

  • 09.02.2011 4:17 PM PDT
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GT : lol bloom


Posted by: A Lemur Monkey


So hows the respawn screen champ?

  • 09.02.2011 4:20 PM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

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Posted by: eRage Sanctity

Posted by: Darkside Eric

Posted by: A Lemur Monkey
It's a skillful coward's tactic.


Sorry guys, didn't mean to push you back to your goal line. Here, take your ball back and we'll also give you a free fifty yards to play with.

Dont even bother, the kid is retarded.


Wow, an internet insult, I am hurt. Deeply. At least I know what retarded means, unlike you.


Maybe you should touch on the actual point that I made that is within the quote.

  • 09.02.2011 4:20 PM PDT

Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Posted by: burritosenior
You can argue either way... But it is stupid to argue either way. Bloom is not about 'skill.' It is about balance.

Yet its far from balanced.

Why is it so hard for B.net kids to admit Bungie -blam!- up?
Because it was implemented poorly. Bungie didn't do it right. I've said this since release. Don't project.

Why is it so hard for idiotic kids to not make assumptions that make them look like they're 12?


Posted by: THC 4N Swag
The DMR isn't even remotely balanced. In fact, it's even more OP than the BR. Only problem now is that it's so easy to use that it's practically retard proof.
No, the DMR is not balanced. But Bloom was MEANT to Balance. That is its purpose- it was just implemented poorly. Thus it's idiotic to be arguing about 'oh Bloom takes skill/Bloom doesn't take skill' when that isn't even the issue.

  • 09.02.2011 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Darkside Eric

Posted by: A Lemur Monkey

Posted by: eRage Sanctity

Posted by: Darkside Eric

Posted by: A Lemur Monkey
It's a skillful coward's tactic.


Sorry guys, didn't mean to push you back to your goal line. Here, take your ball back and we'll also give you a free fifty yards to play with.

Dont even bother, the kid is retarded.


Wow, an internet insult, I am hurt. Deeply. At least I know what retarded means, unlike you.


Maybe you should touch on the actual point that I made that is within the quote.


True, very true. Very good metaphor, I see what you guys are saying.

Also, for the people saying "You are bad" or "How's the respawn screen champ?" You guys need to grow up, this seriously reminds me of the CoD community, which is sad.

  • 09.02.2011 5:43 PM PDT

Reach is 100% perfect, and the single most competitive game since Candyland. Anyone who dares question the godly powers of Bungie is obviously just bad at Halo.


Posted by: IamCornn
I've come to the conclusion that none of you -want- to see the other side of the arguement.

That's because there is no other side of the argument! People against bloom use things like math, and actual proof. Whereas people who are in favor of bloom are just all the people who assume things all work fine and assume that when they die, it's their own fault. The people who, no matter what the circumstances, think that you can NEVER blame a game for your death, and think that anyone who does so is a n00b. And you continue to press that assumption despite the pages and pages of indisputable proof all pointing at bloom's randomness.

And none of the proof matters, because bottom-line, when you get back on Reach, and you die, you're not gonna study why it is that you died. You're going to assume that you shot one too many fast shots, or that your aim was off, and that any explanation involving the game's mechanics is just a scapegoat.

  • 09.03.2011 8:55 AM PDT

Reach is 100% perfect, and the single most competitive game since Candyland. Anyone who dares question the godly powers of Bungie is obviously just bad at Halo.


Posted by: IamCornn
From what I am gathering, People dislike bloom because they can't adjust their RoF to accomodate the distance between themselves and the target. Therfore they call it 'Luck' when they die because they Spammed the trigger.

Are you trying to be ignorant? I literally just explained how battles between two pacers are random. You really only hear what you want to hear, don't you?

  • 09.03.2011 10:00 AM PDT

"Ultimate excellence lies
Not in winning
Every battle
But in defeating the Enemy
Without ever fighting."

-Sunzi: Master of War.

Replace the DMR with the Battle Rifle entirely.

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If you have to use labels like 'Retarded' to describe anyone who disagrees with you, Then your arguement has lost any weight it might of had, and I personally will assume you are just trying to get a rise out of people.

Also to those who think that having a high KDR means you're beast; just the fact that boosters exist is a prime reason that any thumbless noob can achieve it throwing the 'my high KDR validates my opinion" logic out the window.


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Posted by: IamCornn
I've come to the conclusion that none of you -want- to see the other side of the arguement.


You have no argument. All you're doing is describing how bloom should work.
While I did say I no longer wish to be a part of this arguement, I felt this deserved a response. Alright, So say bloom doesn't work properly, and that it is 'random'. (I still disagree with that) But I wan't to know; How is removing bloom 'fixing' it, or implementing it properly?

  • 09.04.2011 7:46 AM PDT

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I'm going to be completely honest, I didn't read your post, i've seen these arguments too many times. From the beginning, you took the wrong approach.

Bloom is not supposed to require skill to use. It is supposed to, and does, shorten the skill gap between players. I'll admit this is a bit ass-backwards, as it means poor players can hit and good players can miss, but I believe if you're genuinely skilled then you can play the bloom system to your advantage.

Now I went back and read your post, and while your math is solid, it doesn't change that you're missing the point.

  • 09.04.2011 7:57 AM PDT

He who cannot command himself should obey. And many can command themselves, but much is still lacking before they can obey themselves.
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Posted by: Textually Harass
No, it doesn't but it's not even close to as broken as a lot of people make it out to be.

No, it really is. Especially when you compare the DMR to the BR.

  • 09.04.2011 8:08 AM PDT

if u rage in a game cuz u can't get kills with the DMR, you spam more, therefore, you won't even be close to getting kills, and you rage even more

  • 09.04.2011 8:11 AM PDT

Mlg? I Disagree

...how is that trolling? trolling is unnecessary hurtful or negative comments

  • 11.01.2011 4:43 AM PDT

Frank O'Connor said he doesn't think the Halo series needs to be taken in a radical new direction... it just needs to go "deeper"

"Ultimately the core game mechanic and strength of the universe doesn't need to be changed, it just needs to be taken deeper. We want to make Halo games - we don't want to make Call of Duty or Ridge Racer. We want to make Halo games because we understand what's special about Halo."

Read this old thread everyone!

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=60777116

Bloom is a part of with that statement isn't true.

[Edited on 11.01.2011 4:46 AM PDT]

  • 11.01.2011 4:45 AM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P


Posted by: EVlLMan34575
...how is that trolling? trolling is unnecessary hurtful or negative comments

A true troll is someone who makes people believe he/she isn't trolling (i.e. is the one that is never found out), when they actually are. Usually, their posts cause confusion within the community, but are not too suspicious.

OT: I think peoples interpretations on skill are different. So it is only natural for people to assume the a game with bloom has a skill spectrum incorporated to it.

  • 11.01.2011 4:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: Textually Harass
No, it doesn't but it's not even close to as broken as a lot of people make it out to be.

No, it really is. Especially when you compare the DMR to the BR.


BR had spread you can't compare the two at all. Bloom isn't bad IMO. NO bloom is stupid and useless you die in seconds meeting two people. That never happened in Halo 3 you could at least stand a chance of killing one.

  • 11.01.2011 5:00 AM PDT
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They should just make an HLG playlist then you guys can hide against each other and see how much fun it is.


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Posted by: Textually Harass
I'd also like to throw out this conundrum. What happens with static reticules when half of the reticule is on the guy and half is off?
Bullet magnetism gives you the benefit of the doubt and makes the bullet hit him, no?


Ok

What happens with static reticules when half of the reticule is inside the magnetism and other half is not?

The inner circle must be on his head or else it won't kill him (unless bullet magnetism comes in to help you), especially on host.

  • 11.01.2011 5:20 AM PDT