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Posted by: dmg04
So yeah;
Let's say someone runs the same sort of contest found in the OP in a Private Group?


If a mod sees it, does he have to report it?
What if a mod or employee sees this after all is said and done? Is this something you can be banned for?

Also, Fo, that last post needs more wall.


I don't believe a mod HAS to report anything outside of the public forums. As has been said on Community threads for ages, they're volunteers. They don't even HAVE to lock a rule breaking thread if they see it. A

nd as for being banned for something like this, I think it walks the line enough and yet is also protected enough by the rules that it would be handled on a ninja to ninja or employee to employee basis concerning whether or not it's a ban-able offence or even an offence at all.

  • 09.02.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Big Black Bear
What are we supposed to be discussing here?


"Nothing in the 'Verse can stop me."

I think it would be fine. If it wasn't the "punishment" would be a lot less harsh; I would imagine.

  • 09.02.2011 2:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Honestly, if that's how you read that clause of the ToU, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Not trying to offend you or anything, but that's clearly not what it says.
Based on the words immediately prior to "business purpose", I'm fairly sure that's what it implies. Feel free to share your interpretation though.
The words "advertise," "offer," and "services" all blatantly and directly contradict your interpretation. In no way, shape, or form do the Terms of Use require an "exchange of goods" in order for a violation to occur.
And that was me being vague (see the results?). The premise of what I was getting at was the exchange; whether it be an actual transaction or a solicitation for such a transaction. Based on that clause alone it would seem that that type of action is prohibited, but actions in which one party receives something (giveaways) are not. While the rest of the TOU forbids that, that specific section (which should be clear regarding these types of questions, since that is what it is there to do) does not seem to do so. The rules should have a logical reason behind them, when you have to fall back on the "you have no rights" justification, that shows a failure (regardless of the fact that it's true).

Also, why do you think that intentionally vague ToUs will "get you into trouble"? Intentionally vague anythings will get you into trouble. There is ambiguity in both rules and laws. Successful arguments (when challenging rules and laws) depend on convincing people that the grey area represents what you want it to represent. If you have a larger grey area, there is more room for a successful challenge to a rule. You can argue that my previous examples would violate the TOU, but you would first have to prove it using the language supplied in the TOU.You don't understand; this is not a law. This is a set of terms of use to which you must agree before you can use this website. They are intentionally broad (what you're calling "vague") in order to inform users of a wide category of issues which may result in their removal from the website. And their removal from the website is in the sole discretion of Bungie and/or its designees -- another thing that users agree to before they can use the website.

In that sense, Bungie does not have to "argue" or "prove" anything at all. It can remove you from this website for any reason or no reason at all, as it sees fit. The Terms of Use provide you with notice of the kinds of things which will result in your removal, either temporarily or permanently. But by no means do they constitute a "gray area" or a "line" which requires Bungie to "prove" that you crossed it. So no, intentionally broad Terms of Use are not going to get anyone in trouble.
This was the obvious end. Every user knows the "you have no rights" statement. But why then do we have these threads questioning rules and their enforcement and users attempting to answer these questions? There has to be at least an illusion of accountability; that there is a reason as to why someone is removed from the website (as opposed to simply "because"). That specific section of the TOU did not do a good job of explaining what types of situations would get you removed from the website. That's it. Just because Bungie does not have to give grounds for removal and can remove a user for anything does not change this.

Although it would most likely be a Bungie employee removing a user for violating this rule, if a Ninja ever did, that Ninja would have to explain their decision. They would actually have to justify it as, I imagine, many users would be upset with "You have no rights, play nice." as a response to their inquiry. That explanation depends on your definition of what a "business purpose" is (which should be something similar to how the TOU presents it). Your interpretation, as a Ninja, is given a larger weight than a normal user's, but realize that that doesn't automatically discount different interpretations.

But yes, it seems, going by the rest of the TOU, that both mine and the OPs examples are not allowed.

  • 09.02.2011 3:05 PM PDT

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  • 09.02.2011 5:07 PM PDT

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I don't think it matters if you do it in a private forum.
Doing it in the public forum would create spam and such, but in a private group it would not do so as much. Also, Bungie doesn't have to deal with it.

  • 09.02.2011 5:10 PM PDT

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